I just had a very intense 4 seed trip last weekend. I was trying to keep a low dose because my last shroom trip was pretty bad but I really tripped this time and I'm really glad I did. I also smoked a lot of weed during the whole experience which was probably the reason it was that strong.
The Big & Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread - Second Iteration
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hungry_ghost
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I have 450 morning glory seeds for tomorrow, i washed them in warm water with soap trying to get off pesticides. Does this sound like the right amount?
Please don’t eat 450 seeds your first time. I recently had my first experiences with Morning Glory and HBWR seeds… several experiences with each in fact. Aside from a few sublingual experiments, I always just ate them, no extractions or anything. For me, 160 heavenly blue MG seeds was a fairly intense trip with plenty of visuals. Anything significantly higher than 200 seeds would start to give me problems. Mainly physical discomfort, but the trip obviously increases in intensity as well, and that can be a difficult thing to deal with while experiencing so much sickness and pain. For me, if the physical discomfort gets really bad, then it is likely to put me in a negative headspace. From now on, I plan to stick to smaller doses of these seeds, which can still produce a worthwhile and even somewhat intense psychedelic experience, without most of the physical agony (nausea, cramping, feeling of being poisoned).
8 HBWR seeds was my most intense seed experience, and it was physically very hard. It was a pretty great experience aside from the 90 minutes of hell during the peak where I just had to ride it out. I felt extremely sick/poisoned but could not puke. I’ve done enough psychedelics in the past to know I just needed to ride it out. I writhed around on my couch, and sure enough the worst of it passed before long. After that the rest of my day was a beautiful experience, but I‘ll never do 8 HBWR seeds again. For me, 4 seeds is great and 6 seeds is starting to push it in terms of physical discomfort.
Don’t eat 450 morning glory seeds unless you’re already experienced with high doses of MG seeds, and even then only if you’re experienced with that particular batch of seeds, because different batches = different strengths. For me, anything between 160 and 200 seeds would be an incredible journey whereas 450 seeds would be a horribly painful nightmare. Every individual just needs to find their dose.
8 HBWR seeds was my most intense seed experience, and it was physically very hard. It was a pretty great experience aside from the 90 minutes of hell during the peak where I just had to ride it out. I felt extremely sick/poisoned but could not puke. I’ve done enough psychedelics in the past to know I just needed to ride it out. I writhed around on my couch, and sure enough the worst of it passed before long. After that the rest of my day was a beautiful experience, but I‘ll never do 8 HBWR seeds again. For me, 4 seeds is great and 6 seeds is starting to push it in terms of physical discomfort.
Don’t eat 450 morning glory seeds unless you’re already experienced with high doses of MG seeds, and even then only if you’re experienced with that particular batch of seeds, because different batches = different strengths. For me, anything between 160 and 200 seeds would be an incredible journey whereas 450 seeds would be a horribly painful nightmare. Every individual just needs to find their dose.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
Right under my nose. A paper that specifically analyzed the seed coating "properly known as the pericarp" and it only has ergoline alkaloids (in small quantities).
I quote...
"Although the pericarp showed the
same alkaloid pattern as the seeds, the concentration was much
lower (0.0015%). No alkaloids could be detected in the vegetative
tissues of nonflowering specimens."
This paper was an extensive analysis of the woodrose plant (not just the seed) and if anyone now wants to say that cyanogenic glycosides are in the baby woodrose seed...then they are clearly hallucinating.
Someone should really notify erowid to make a specific note in their vault that the seeds do not contain these glycosides since that myth is so wide spread.
Source:
http://www.anoniem.org/?http://www.mediafire.com/?lznmdmkok0z
I quote...
"Although the pericarp showed the
same alkaloid pattern as the seeds, the concentration was much
lower (0.0015%). No alkaloids could be detected in the vegetative
tissues of nonflowering specimens."
This paper was an extensive analysis of the woodrose plant (not just the seed) and if anyone now wants to say that cyanogenic glycosides are in the baby woodrose seed...then they are clearly hallucinating.
Someone should really notify erowid to make a specific note in their vault that the seeds do not contain these glycosides since that myth is so wide spread.
Source:
http://www.anoniem.org/?http://www.mediafire.com/?lznmdmkok0z
Sega420
Bluelighter
I disagree, but if we all agreed this forum would be lame. Such tests (that examine the seed coat, and all the flesh inbetween) have already been conducted....many times over.
Check out plant data bases, alkaloid data bases, etc. When you start exploring, you will see how extensive they are. And many you won't find online without a membership, but your local university library should have everything you can imagine.
No one makes lists of what plants do not contain...lists are made of what plants do contain.
These seeds (ergoline-containing morning glory) have been extensively analyzed since 1966 and they simply don't have cyanogenic glycosides. I don't think it's plausable to assume so many scientists have somehow missed the presence of chemicals so easy to detect.
PS...I do have a source that says they don't contain the glycosides....me! I've done the research and they don't have them.
all epic posts.
good show lads
Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds
I was just wondering how you're suppose to take them, I have scraped off as much as the fungus as I can but obviously I cannot scrape all of it off. Will I be ill if I take them? I just wanted to know how many you're suppose to eat and how long you chew them for?
Thanks.
I was just wondering how you're suppose to take them, I have scraped off as much as the fungus as I can but obviously I cannot scrape all of it off. Will I be ill if I take them? I just wanted to know how many you're suppose to eat and how long you chew them for?
Thanks.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Best chewed for as long as you can chew and try not to swallow the juice too soon either. I chew them for up to half an hour before swallowing the lot. Swallowing them whole or with little chewing has never done much for me. The taste shouldn't be too bad - kinda woody and a bit "spicy" I'd say. It really does work a lot better done that way. For me certainly and also a number of others have mentioned similar results. Potency varies a lot but if they're of good strength 4-6 gives a pretty decent trip. Really does vary hugely though but probably a good idea to get an idea of the strength of the batch you have before diving in too deep. Peppermint and/or ginger can help with nausea if you get any too. Enjoy - HBWR are one of my favourites
Also, gonna merge this with the B&D thread which would be well worth your time to have a read through.
Also, gonna merge this with the B&D thread which would be well worth your time to have a read through.
Had seven of them and I didn't get any visuals, about two hours later I just felt stoned and very happy, the first hour I did have moderate nausea. I ended up watching a film then went to bed at 23:00, I woke up at 10:30 and ended up eating loads.
pharmakos
Bluelighter
its definitely not a trip that will keep you up if you're tired. nor is it usually very visual. i like it though. =)
This is a bit random but DO NOT USE MORE THAN TWO DROPS OF PEPPERMINT ESSENTIAL OIL!! I used four by accident and had a awful bad-peppermint-trip. Nine hours of revolting burps, burning stomach and a terrible smell. I tried to sleep but I would wake up every half hour burping peppermint. I can't even smell peppermint anymore without gagging. I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH TOO MUCH PEPPERMINT WHILE TRIPPING IS POSSIBLY THE WORST THING YOU CAN IMAGINE. I would gladly take the regular HBWR nausea over that. My god. Awful.
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Bwahahahahahaha! 
Good advice and can relate. Once used a branded HBWR product which came in vile synthetic "grape" flavoured capsules. The fuckers repeated on me all night and ruined an otherwise great trip so I feel your pain
Good advice and can relate. Once used a branded HBWR product which came in vile synthetic "grape" flavoured capsules. The fuckers repeated on me all night and ruined an otherwise great trip so I feel your pain
Had some more the other night and it is pretty pleasent but strange. I was lying in bed when I kept hearing sounds of a chainsaw in my left ear. I've also noticed it seems to trigger lost memories, I was thinking of all this random stuff of when I was a kid, it also gave me the munchies.
pharmakos
Bluelighter
if you buy into the whole LSA + acetaldehyde = LSH/better trip thing (which i personally do believe in), i still maintain that red wine is a better source for the acetaldehyde than peppermint oil/tea. i've tried both methods and have had results that seem more like success with red wine than with peppermint. not much red wine is needed, i usually use a half to a whole glass, and soak for not too long... up to an hour or two. a few times i actually just drank the red wine as i ate the seeds, but i had a very empty stomach then (had been awake for an hour or two only, and had not eaten since the previous evening).
LSA + red wine for me = less sedation and more color. i still almost never get "psychedelic" visuals off of LSA, even very high doses. but then again, i barely get visuals on 3mg of DOC or DOI! and i don't even have a psych tolerance really. lol
Shambles
Bluelight Crew
I think he was talking about peppermint for nausea (not that it makes a difference to the dire and useful warning :D) but funny you should mention red wine. I almost always drink red wine with HBWR but had no idea about the LSH thing whether true or not. I also always have great experiences with HBWR - never find it sedating either. Quite the opposite really. Maybe I should skip the red wine some time to see if it's becomes shit. Although it would be shit if it did. They seem to mix well together anyway
jackie jones
Bluelight Crew
The onset of LSA can be difficult (body load/nausea), so you may want to wait an hour or so after dosing before you attend any social gatherings.
About mixing with stimulants, well that is subjective. If you react well to stimulants, then you will likely be all right. If you are an anxious individual, you may want to choose one or the other.
About mixing with stimulants, well that is subjective. If you react well to stimulants, then you will likely be all right. If you are an anxious individual, you may want to choose one or the other.
Has anyone tried a mix of AMT and LSA/LSH?
I like to ensure my trips have a euphoric base. (For the record, in my case, AMT has next to no psychedelic element but it does has a very nice level of euphoria. Very little nausea or body load as well.)
I like to ensure my trips have a euphoric base. (For the record, in my case, AMT has next to no psychedelic element but it does has a very nice level of euphoria. Very little nausea or body load as well.)
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
AMT and LSA (from morning glories) resulted in projectile vomiting for me but an incredibly visual trip and it had more depth than either drug could even come close to alone. It DID extend the trip though. I dosed the LSA about an hour after dosing the AMT and the LSA lasted about 8 hours into my trip and the tail end of the AMT I would say another two hours was added to the plateau.
I took two packets of heavenly blues and one packet of saucers which was probably a bit much but the trip was incredible. LSA was always lacking on the mental side and AMT was always lacking on the colorful electric patterns side (for me, AMT made things flow like liquid, quite different to other drugs I've done) - this combo was stellar. I believe it was 40mg of AMT that I took.
I took two packets of heavenly blues and one packet of saucers which was probably a bit much but the trip was incredible. LSA was always lacking on the mental side and AMT was always lacking on the colorful electric patterns side (for me, AMT made things flow like liquid, quite different to other drugs I've done) - this combo was stellar. I believe it was 40mg of AMT that I took.
herbal-monkey
Greenlighter
Hawaiian Baby Woodrose What Did You Find?
hey guys i want to get some hbwoodrose. I found a vendor but i love to hear other peoples experiences had some good times with the mescaline friend but am very interested in the lsa friend please enlighten me
hey guys i want to get some hbwoodrose. I found a vendor but i love to hear other peoples experiences had some good times with the mescaline friend but am very interested in the lsa friend please enlighten me
well both lsa and mescal are amazing. Hawaiian baby woodrose trips are a little more earthy than LSD trips. Like an in between of shrooms and lucy. I would go no less than 10 seeds the first time tho. I did 12 my first and i was the best trip of my life. And keep mary close because the hawaiian babywoodrose nausea is a bitch sometimes. One hit the nauseas gone and the trip is kicked up a notch. Definitely a must if you wanna be a psychonaut
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