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The Big and Senseless Mass Shooting Thread

R.I.P. to the victims... I don't know why these assholes can't just kill themselves without murdering a bunch of innocent people.
 
I think we need universal background checks, though I support the second amendment.

This is just more evidence God doesn't care about us. People offer prayers for the dead, but god probably laughs at them. I'm sure God was watching all this while eating spirit popcorn. We're on our own in this world and it's up to us and us alone to reform society. And social reform, and reform of our psychiatric system is far more important than gun control.
 
What is it going to take to enact some form of federal gun control? There are so many things that can be done to keep guns out of the hands of madmen while not completely trampling the 2nd ammendment. Please tell me why a 26 year old student should be allowed to own 4 guns? With the amount of digital info out there, a long, thorough, and strict background check seems like a no-brainer.

And dont give me that shit about criminals will still have guns. No shit. I can at least try to avoid interacting with criminals with guns but cant avoid someone opening fire in a public place.

Apparently this guy was fascinated by the IRA, bought Nazi memorabilia and said in a blog post about a Virginia shooting, the more you kill the more you are in the limelight. He also was singling out Christians apparently.


http://nypost.com/2015/10/01/oregon-gunman-singled-out-christians-during-rampage/
 
Fucking awful.
I thought President Obama's speech was pretty earnest and moving.
My thoughts go out to the victims, their friends and family.
 
The U.S. Gov & Media sure love to talk absolute bullshit all day long... FNN (fake news network) has to be the absolute worst. 90% of these school shootings are absolute fakery or set-ups so they can push their agenda of disarming the population all day long for days on end, complete with idiotic family members who miraculously are able to appear on every single media network the day their loved one supposedly got murdered so they can pretend to cry with no tears, show no genuine signs of emotional distress whatsoever - or my fave, act completely over the top to the point of it being laughable, repeat the same stupid lines at every interview and spout gun control measures instead of talking about their dead loved one lol give me a fucking break. How do people believe this shit?! Basically every single one ends with a dead gun man, what a coincidence! And all of them have major holes. The guy who inspects SCHOOL SHOOTINGS wasn't allowed to access Sandy Hook info or files! Yeah, alright, seems legit. It's just such an obvious ploy ffs people use your brain and power of discernment instead of blindly following what you're told to think about stuff. Their intentions are NOT GOOD! I have no proof this one was a set up yet but I will not be surprised in the least. That one on air was absolute Classic BS lmao I laughed all fuckin day at the shitty acting on FNN. comparing the two videos there are fuve very obvious signs it was all for show!

1) if you listen closely and compare the sounds Alyson made after being 'shot', in the media version she is saying 'oh my god, omg, etc' repeatedly after shots go off. In the go-pro, nothing.
2) if you watch one version, she is nodding her head when shots go off. In the second, her head is entirely still.
3) at the beginning after the gunman very loudly walks up to the TV crew lol alyson LOOKS AT HIM SLIGHTLY! he then points a fkn gun at them in view of their peripheral
4) the bullets in slow mo are v suspicious. No kickback from the weapon, pretty amazing eh
5) this chick whose like 120 pounds gets fucking shot three times in the head or chest abdomen region and yet managed to run away lol
There's way more but that's proof right there that it was done in two takes and is therefore a staged event intended to shock and horrify people. The end.
 
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There's your answer why nothing gets done. People are retarded.

claire22 you're entitled to your beliefs, but my god are they sick and disgusting.

Gun control will never happen until the left and right can agree to compromise, both of them.
 
Haha, sick & disgusting? Because I don't believe that this school shooting thing is anything but a covert op on behalf of the POWERS THAT BE to further control the population? Give me a break. If any of you researched anything beyond the TV and major papers you'd find missing evidence, unexplained shooters in eyewitness accounts not being reported, all of them having these bizarro manifestos or watever to prove they crazy, and the all important dead gunman who can't talk. Gun control has historically lead to oppression. Ffs that's the first thing Hitler did. Don't give up your weapons. Don't be s fkn idiot with em but keep them and don't let the gov walk all over you. They do not have your best interests at heart. You think you know who controls politics but YOU DO NOT... Hint: it's where the money is. These people are hell bent on eroding rights lil by lil. If you think protecting the free world from potential tyrann is 'sick' you're a fuckin stupidsheep
 
The problem is there are too many people who are fucking idiots with them. What do we do about them?

I think everyone knows money controls politics. That isn't particularly enlightening. But God, Claire, I hope you are wasted because you are talking some Illuminati shit right now.
 
MyThat's because a group of freakin unelected rich morons have decided they should decide our fate. This has nothing to do with 'conspiracy theory', this is documented fact. Perhaps one day people will take notice of everything off in this country and stand up for what's right. Til then they're doing a fantastic job of fooling the masses. Ever heard of the Bilderberg? Ever seen these quotes?

“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control. Do I mean a conspiracy? Yes, I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, incredibly evil in intent.”
–Rep. Larry P. MacDonald, killed in Korean Air Lines 007, 1983

“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”
—Strobe Talbot, Deputy Secretary of State, TIME, July l992

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
—David Rockefeller, NWO Banker

“We have before us the opportunity to forge, for ourselves and for future generations, a New World Order. A world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, rules all nations. When we are successful–and we will be–we have a real chance at this New World Order. An order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping forces to fulfill the promise and vision of its founders.”
—George H.W. Bush, March 21, 1991

“One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order.”
–K.M. Heaton, National Educator

“Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.”
–Dr. Henry Kissinger, Evians, France, 1991

“In short, the ‘house of world order’ will have to be built from the bottom up rather than f rom the top down. It will look like a great ‘booming, buzzing confusion,’ to use William James’ famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault.”
—Richard N. Gardner, former deputy assistant Secretary of State for
International Organisations under Kennedy and Johnson, and a member of the Trilateral Commission, wrote this in the April, 1974 issue of the Council on Foreign Relation’s(CFR) journal Foreign Affairs(pg. 558

Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”
—Richard Salant, former president, CBS News

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
—David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991


I've looked into this shit for YEARS and no people telling me I'm crazy or paranoid is going to taunt me into silence. The word crazy is dangerous, it's dismissive... It sounds crazy but is it really? Is it really that hard to believe with everything going on behind the scenes today? Is it inconceivable a group of people wish to control us? Nope. It's happened before and it'll happen again. Even a Supreme Court Justice believes a Hitler style takeover could occur in the USA. And it will. They're moving into action RIGHT NOW. Huge amounts of military hardware being transported across the nation as we speak. UN 'mass casualty' vehicles. Tanks. Trucks. People have found these closed walmarts closed for plumbing are NOT but are in fact, being gutted and totally re-furnished to something that is not Walmart confirmed by s contractor w pictures, multiple. He got a bad feeling they were building a prison. These places there are hundreds have barbed wire FACING INWARD NOT OUTWARD? To keep who in, exactly? Why are there UN & CIA blokes walking around these places? Why are they under 24/7 guard? Why? Just why? None of it makes fucking sense. What people don't understand is that I DO NOT ENJOY THINKING THIS! I want to have faith in the world and especially our leaders. I used to til I realisec what a pack of slimy liars they are. Tyranny is coming to the USA. not to mention the fact years ago I had a dream (before any of this) about someone telling me to go to Walmart coz they're giving away free stuff. I went and saw people going in the store and not coming out. They were being put in gas chambers. It was the most fucked up dream of all time but I thought nothing of it, til walmarts strange closures and release of strange info surrounding their true reason for closure.

Just look into this more. It can't hurt to be proactive. Ofc they fuckin want you to think its impossible. It'll come like a thief in the night... You can't just outright deny things with zero proof to the contrary just coz it's uncomfortable, which it certainly is. Once again I do not enjoy believing this but from what I've seen, I have a terrible intuitive feeling something is gonna rock
our fucking world one day soon. I can't explain it but I feel it and I trust my feelings ALWAYS.

A quote from David Rockefeller's autobiography 'Memoirs' -
6-11-6
"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.

If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
 
I know a lot about conspiracy theories, and I know exactly how people wind up believing in them. I could look into the false flag shooting theory, but I'm sick of looking into absurd conspiracy theories that turn out to be almost certainly shit.

They wouldn't need to fake it. It would happen on its own anyway.
 
Idk mate. sandy hook was a pile of steaming horse shit. I don't know if all of them are bs but some of them for sure are.
 
Do you consider at all how horrifying it would be to be accused of acting like you lost your child when you really did. You have you be sure beyond any doubt. Or you are a monster.

And the proposition that it's faked is so astounding and implausible.
The likelihood that its real is so plausible. And all the evidence i ever hear that it's a fake is either unsubstantiated, or the normal supposed inconsistencies that every complex event causes. All explainable.

It's not coincidence most people either believe in most conspiracy's or virtually none. And its not just people being sheep. It's conspiracy theorists follow all the same logic flaws.
 
I looked into some of those quotes. I heard the Kissinger one before and apparently it never has been substantiated. K.M. Heaton usually comes up only on conspiracy theory sites, so I will disregard that. The George Bush one isnt very NWOish at all. He just is saying we are at a place where order will outrule lawlessness and was speaking in front of the UN, that organization of the World if I recall correctly. Rockefeller, I'll give you. He surely was a globalist, but dont buy into the whole control of every citizen thing, rather it was his goal to increase power and wealth.

I read about conspiracy theories sometimes. I dont sleep well, so I will use that as an excuse as why. But they all are unsubstantiated, error laden drivel where the so called "experts" usually use the same techniques as the media does to entice followers and get money.

But I can forgive the UFO people, or moon hoaxers, or 9/11 truthers. To equate mass school shootings to such nonsense is an affront to those affected.
 
The moon hoax is bs too and completely debunked, as is 9/11, I've looked into both and the evidence presented for conspiracy is widely and completely debunked. As for ufos, if there are alien ufos flying around, there's no way all we still have today in the world of the smart phone is vague lights that could be anything. Outside that there's nothing I've seen but eye witness evidence which can't be trusted or substantiated.

I kinda wish some of the conspiracy's were real, in some ways the idea of a hyper competent government totally in control is almost better than the band of morons and halfwits we actually have.
 
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I kinda wish some of the conspiracy's were real, in some ways the idea of a hyper competent government totally in control is almost better than the band of morons and halfwits we actually have.
I agree.
Conspiracy theorists (or whatever term people want to use) are quick to call people 'sheep', but rarely offer a whole lot in the way of supporting evidence for their claims. I have gone through phases of reading a lot of that stuff, and ultimately gave up on it as I think a great deal of it is a ruse to sell books - which it does extraordinarily well.

Looking at the debunked Roswell "UFO crash" and its many "witnesses", "experts" and "people in the know" is a pretty good case study in what motivates the whole scene. For the most part, fame and recognition - not to mention money are big driving factors in a lot of this stuff. Charlatans abound; myth and rumour are thrown about liberally - but references and citations are often few and far between (if present at all).

While i think there are undoubtedly conspiracies in the world, i think they are much less glamourous and far more troubling than all the talk of a "new world order" or whatever.
Tyranny exists all over the world, and it is up to concerned citizens in democracies to keep it in check and hold elected officials to account (rather than getting sucked into unsubstantiated fear campaigns over single-interest issues).

I think conspiracy theories (as we know them) are harmless until they start distracting people from the important issues of the day.
When they start doing that, they almost certainly play into the hands of genuinely manipulative and powerful interests, like those that run large media networks and perpetuate the military industrial complex, for example.

(Note - i am using the term 'conspiracy theory' in its currently accepted form; illuminati/false flag talk - but i believe conspiracies operating more or less in plain site are [in my opinion] far more insidious).

My experience with bureacracies - particularly those that are government run - seem to indicate that the level of elaborate planning, secrecy and deception required to pull of this sort of thing as a "hoax" is beyond credibility.
Some of the world's most strictly disciplined organisations have leaks from concerned citizens working within them (ie Eduard Snowden formerly of the NSA), and power struggles within the organisation.
I sincerely doubt that even the most committed gun control advocates would be able to put together these kinds of operations so seamlessly.
I think people get taken in by "alternative theories" regarding this sort of thing because it feels good (or something) to believe you've been let in on a big secret - that you've cracked the code or whatever - to understanding the reality behind such events. That Big Brother is pulling all the strings.

But really, i think the truth is much more mundane and depressing.
 
The moon hoax is bs too and completely debunked, as is 9/11, I've looked into both and the evidence presented for conspiracy is widely and completely debunked. As for ufos, if there are alien ufos flying around, there's no way all we still have today in the world of the smart phone is vague lights that could be anything. Outside that there's nothing I've seen but eye witness evidence which can't be trusted or substantiated.

Don't be too hasty. The moon hoax I can understand.. but 9/11? You have to be fucking joking. I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else.. but come the fuck on, really?! There are so many things that just scream the fact that something is not quite right. WTC 7 is perhaps the most obvious.. office fires cause a government controlled building to fall straight and neatly down? Followed by the novice Islamic idiot pilot who somehow managed to bank a huge plane and dive it into the Pentagon facade without touching the ground or overshooting the building itself? Even trained pilots would have a hard time pulling that maneuver off, let alone some dunce retard who had never touched the controls before. Get real please.

I have my own opinions on it all, which may well be wrong. But to claim the official story is believable is laughable.

I kinda wish some of the conspiracy's were real, in some ways the idea of a hyper competent government totally in control is almost better than the band of morons and halfwits we actually have.

JFK? It's a mistake to assume that the government is totally in control, but it's also a mistake to assume that conspiracies like this don't happen. Yes a lot of people sell up the idea and make money of it.. but if you strip away all the garbage there is still something underneath with a lot of these things that does not sit right. I take the position of admitting something is definitely wrong here, but I concede I have no idea who is really responsible or what is really going on.. but I can not accept official narratives that are so plainly bullshit just because I can't figure it out myself.

As for these shootings, I don't see the need for there to be a conspiracy to set them up.. there's enough damaged kids around today that all you have to do is wait for something like this to happen. The leaders love it because it makes them seem like they're doing something, and the media loves it because it boosts ratings and sells their crap. Neither of those parties ever talk about the damaged individuals and why they ended up that way.. instead they just label and vilify.
 
Read a report just now saying this is the 293rd mass shooting in the USA this year.

Is this an acceptable price of "freedom"?
 
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