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The Big and Senseless Mass Shooting Thread

spacejunk said:
By cops at demonstrations, yeah.
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yep.

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and, to add insult to injury, he received a settlement for 'psychiatric injuries for the way he was treated afterwards' greater than the amount the uc davis students each received because he 'pepper-spraying seated, non-violent protesters in the face, using a device he was not authorized to carry and that he held closer to their bodies than is recommended'.

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JessFR said:
but for clarification my question is how can anyone defend the existence of a law preventing women from owning pepper spray.

It doesn't matter though, fuck this shit, and fuck stonehappymonday, now he's just resorting to childish bullshit. .
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Thanks for the needless profanity. Again. All I did was offer counter-arguments and turn your own words back on you. You do seem to think you not only desire weapons but actually need them. From where I'm from, as Spacejunk noted, a good pair of doc Martens or at worst a bunch of keys always suffice. No guns, no knives, no sprays. Shit happens everywhere but in my country that shit happens without all the weaponry and most of us are glad for it. Because weaponry just usually escalates shit.

We call it freedom.

Never agreed with OTW more about anything.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
...a good pair of doc Martens or at worst a bunch of keys always suffice. No guns, no knives, no sprays.....
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I'm not sure how much real-life violence people have been exposed to, but if the attacker is very determined and physically stronger, boots and keys won't make a difference. All it will do is make him mad.
 
Boots are for running as much as kicking. Keys are a VERY effective (and completely illegal) knuckle-duster.

I'm getting on in life (age wise) been around the world twice, lived in some of the dodgier parts of London for 20 years. Never had a problem I've even considered I needed a gun, knife or pepper spray for.

But I'll admit I've never been to the USA...
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Boots are for running as much as kicking. Keys are a VERY effective (and completely illegal) knuckle-duster.

I'm getting on in life (age wise) been around the world twice, lived in some of the dodgier parts of London for 20 years. Never had a problem I've even considered I needed a gun, knife or pepper spray for.

But I'll admit I've never been to the USA...
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But you are a man and probably have a man's normal size and strength, right? I didn't carry those things either when I lived in high crime neighborhoods. It might not be the same for a small woman who is physically weaker or somebody who cannot run for whatever reason.
 
socko said:
But you are a man and probably have a man's normal size and strength, right? I didn't carry those things either when I lived in high crime neighborhoods. It might not be the same for a small woman who is physically weaker or somebody who cannot run for whatever reason.
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I know what you're saying. But.

I wasn't a man at 12 when on my first visit to London (I wasn't brought up there, I moved there later) I had a knife pulled on me on the underground. I talked my way through it - then ran.

I'm not a man who can run for sweet FA now. I have a debilitating disease of the arteries in my leg. This still does not make me wish weapons were legal. It does, of course, mean I know what vulnerability can mean and I act accordingly. But that doesn't mean I stop doing shit. Outside of the USA (which I just can't speak for having never been) the world is generally not a scary place with funny little black, brown, yellow, or white people waiting to pull your arms and legs off. I still travel the world and go to unknown cities - without fancy expensive tour guides - and, even with my disability (for that's what it has become now) I do not scare or see reason for arming myself anywhere I've been in the world. You wanna know the two places I've been where I have felt uneasy?

Colombia - where the army and police walk around pointing sub-machine guns at you all day.

And the Philippines, where even the fucking doorman (and I'm NOT making this up) at MacDonalds has a freaking sub-machine gun.

And it ain't the people they are armed against who worry me. It's them. Why the fuck does a MaccyD's need a doorman with an SLR?

Besides that the world is a beautiful place full of, vastly full of, good natured individuals like you and me who just want to help, not kill.

The USA is paranoid and armed to the teeth. This may be the reason I've yet to visit your undoubtedly beautiful country.
 
This has gotten me to wondering what people's expectations of safety are. Does anyone actually believe that vast swaths of cities should be too dangerous to walk through especially at night without being assaulted? Because a lot of large American cities are that dangerous. Small towns are often safe at all hours. So are many European and Canadian cities. Most of Paris is safe, despite its relative large concentrations of poverty.
 
That was good that you were able to talk your way out of it and run. Îve done that too. From your posts, I get the idea you pay attention to your surroundings and know how to stay calm. Phillipines is literally a war zone with more than one ongoing insurrection. Columbia has extreme poverty5 and corruption. What is America's problem?
StoneHappyMonday said:
I know what you're saying. But.

I wasn't a man at 12 when on my first visit to London (I wasn't brought up there, I moved there later) I had a knife pulled on me on the underground. I talked my way through it - then ran.

I'm not a man who can run for sweet FA now. I have a debilitating disease of the arteries in my leg. This still does not make me wish weapons were legal. It does, of course, mean I know what vulnerability can mean and I act accordingly. But that doesn't mean I stop doing shit. Outside of the USA (which I just can't speak for having never been) the world is generally not a scary place with funny little black, brown, yellow, or white people waiting to pull your arms and legs off. I still travel the world and go to unknown cities - without fancy expensive tour guides - and, even with my disability (for that's what it has become now) I do not scare or see reason for arming myself anywhere I've been in the world. You wanna know the two places I've been where I have felt uneasy?

Colombia - where the army and police walk around pointing sub-machine guns at you all day.

And the Philippines, where even the fucking doorman (and I'm NOT making this up) at MacDonalds has a freaking sub-machine gun.

And it ain't the people they are armed against who worry me. It's them. Why the fuck does a MaccyD's need a doorman with an SLR?

Besides that the world is a beautiful place full of, vastly full of, good natured individuals like you and me who just want to help, not kill.

The USA is paranoid and armed to the teeth. This may be the reason I've yet to visit your undoubtedly beautiful country.
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Shooting at Northern Arizona University

The shooting overnight at Northern Arizona University was the result of a confrontation between two groups of students, the school's police chief, Gregory T. Fowler, said Friday. One student pulled a gun and shot four others, Fowler said.
[Previous story, posted at 9:06 a.m.]
One killed, 3 injured in shooting at Northern Arizona University
(CNN) -- One person died and three others were injured in an overnight shooting at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, university officials said Friday.
The shooter was in custody, and the school was not on lockdown, university spokesman Cindy Brown told CNN.
It happened in a parking lot next to the Mountain View residence hall around 1:20 a.m., she said.
What led up to the violence was not immediately known, and it wasn't clear if any of the victims or the shooter were university students, according to Brown.
The injured were being treated at Flagstaff Medical Center. Their conditions were not immediately available.
Delta Chi fraternity said Friday that some of members of its Northern Arizona University chapter were involved in the shooting, but that it did not have details about their conditions. The shooting, the fraternity said, "was not a chapter-related incident."
Students are rattled, junior Megan Aardahl told CNN. She awoke to text messages from the school alerting students to the shooting, and from her family checking to see if she was OK.
"There's a huge sense of community here, so everyone's just trying to like reach out and make sure everyone's OK, but it's a little anxious not knowing who's involved," she said.
U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, issued a statement on the shooting Friday morning.
"My thoughts and prayers are with families of the person who was killed and the three others who were wounded in the horrific shooting on the campus of Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff early this morning," he said. "I appreciate the efforts of all state and local law enforcement officials, first-responders and school administrators, and continue to pray for the recovery of the injured, as well as all those in the NAU community who have been impacted by this terrible tragedy."
The shooting comes the same day President Barack Obama is set to visit Roseburg, Oregon, and the families of those slain in the October 1 massacre at Umpqua Community College.
The gunman in that case, Chris Harper-Mercer, 26, killed nine people before killing himself, according to police.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/09/us/northern-arizona-university-shooting/index.html
 
Droppersneck said:
This thread could of used some trigger warnings considering some of the students from Oregon could of been reading it.

I am going to go out on a limb an say they will require all campuses to have armed police some point soon. It only makes sense.
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I agree droppers on both points. Unfortunately even arm police wont prevent these things. They will limit the deaths and injuries though. Can we all agree to not turn this thread into another debate on gun control?
 
It seems a bit unethical for CNN to relate this incident to a school shooting when the facts suggest this was flat-out a targeted shooting (i.e. murder)
 
1:30 am at a party college in a dorm parking lot. It sounds like a brawl between drunken frat boys got out of control.
 
One Thousand Words said:
Real men sort out their differences with their fists or over a few beers and a pool table.

Bitch spray just seems so reactionary
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Well here years ago if you pulled a knife or gun on someone in a fight you'd better make sure you can shoot your way out of there cause both where considered bitch moves worthy of getting a good old stomping. Unless you got jumped or something knives where looked down upon even though i did carry one when i was in middle school and high school just in case. I never had to actually use it and i defused a few twats tryin to pick on me by flicking a blade on them since they where 4 years older then me and way bigger.

Back before everyone went nuts about guns in schools you could actually store a shotgun or rifle or air gun in yer locker if you where going hunting or something right after class. The teachers didn't care cause they thought it was better then us carrying drugs but of course we did both. Needless to say no school here would let you bring a .303 Rifle or a shotgun in now lol
 
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