The Awesome Pentagram or "Star"

[Ninae]

I have to make a post about this as this symbol is all over the place, especially this time of year where it's taken to represent the Christmas star.

But this is more of a pious take on it, and not exactly what this symbol is all about (a star doesn't necessarily need to be represented by five points, it could just as well have 8 points).

Either way, the pentagram is of high importance in magic and witchcraft. It symbolises the five elements - water, earth, air, fire, and ether. While the upside down pentagram represents the "Horned God" and considered a Satanic/Black magic symbol. And the six-pointed star, or Solomon's Seal the hexagram, especially.

Anyway, as soon as you start to notice it, you will see stars and people making or wearing star-signs all over the place.

For performance artists it's very common to spread out their palm to make a five-pointed shape (maybe as a way of identifying them as a practitioner of withcraft, whether good or bad). And also wearing jewelry with five or six pointed stars are very common. It can look natural, but is repeated over and over, in different ways.

It has also found its way into Christianity, by the rose, symbolising the feminine principle or virgin Madonna.

The small, five petaled roses is found in many Gothic cathedrals as an ornamentation are not-so-secret pentagram. Seems like these arcane symbols find a way to be carried on everywhere.




And, especially, out shopping today, I noticed a lot of star symbolism. A lot of inverted pentagrams (stars to hang in a window but turn upside down). And, of course, the precious six-pointed snow crystal.

 

[swilow]

Maybe my eyeballs are still asleep, but what relevance are the pictures of Kate Bush and Bjork? I get the Madonna pic, I can see her starry ear.

I like star-shaped symbols. I used to really like the look of a hexagram- I felt it had some weird talismanic power, but of course that was during my occult/thelemite days. Now I see it as meaningless but attractive still.

 

[Ninae]

It's in the hand signs - pictures speak louder than words.

High-five


She could have been more discrete.

 

[rm-rf]

 

[swilow]

It's in the hand signs - pictures speak louder than words.

High-five


She could have been more discrete.

I utterly do not get your point here. Sure, she is exhibiting 5 fingers in those pictures, but- interesting fact- that could just be a representation of the five-fingered hand of human beings. If she is communicating some arcane occult message through such an ambiguous gesture, its lost in me.

 

[L2R]

bjork has hands?

holy shit, i had no idea. and i've seen her performing live.
thanks for the pics, i've got lots to fapp to today now.

 

[Ninae]

The Pentagram shows up all over the place. In art, fashion, decoration, etc. All kinds of people make different kind of five-finger symbols (especially politicians) and many companies have their logo as some variation of it. There's so much there's no point even to point to it. It seems more like a broad sign for the fertility based faiths (I guess could also be symbolic for the sun/sun worship).

I also suspect to start out with this might have been some kind of holy, divine geometry-like symbol (like the Eastern mandalas). But got perverted at some point. Many countries have the star on their flag, for some reason, seems like there could be some kind of elementary benefit to it.

Does it really have to go on the flag? Come on. It can't be that meaningless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ational_flags#One_five-pointed_star_in_center

About that, Israel is the most noticable which has a six-pointed star in the center of everything. But I'l leave it to their own as to the meaning of that.

 

[L2R]

hands don't mean stars (the pics you posted has hands in all kinds of positions)
stars are not meaningless (israel = star of david, usa = number of states, australia = southern cross)

ninae, you are imagining nonsense again.

 

[Ninae]

It's not just nonsense.

If you look at all the flags of the world most of them have symbols for the sun (circle), moon (crescent), or star in them. If not they have the symbol for the cross, but that's part of the same thing.

I just remembered one of the first channeled books I read had a section about this. It said these were very ancient and holy symbols which once held a great deal of power and were only used by secretive groups that had them entrusted to them, but over time had been abused so much they had been diluted and lost most of their power, and that was just as well. It didn't really interest me at the time, but I can see it now, and many obviously still hold much significance to these symbols.

The Star of David is still a six-pointed star, or Hexagram, no matter what you call it. It would have been around a long time before David. It's essentialy the geometric symbol for "As above, so below", or shows the union between heaven and earth. And this must be one of the most powerful symbols.

And the cross isn't just to do with Christ and was in place long before that and in many un-Christian countries. It's a symbol for the human form (legs together and arms stretched out) and the crucifixion of Christ is in a way symbolic for the divine soul crucified in matter/the flesh/human body (Rosicrucians use a rose in the middle of their cross to symbolise that). The idea is that the cross is a hard burden to bear but the soul is beautiful, etc.

 

[L2R]

bees were into hexagons way before people, maybe they rule the world

symbols are given meanings, so any power is only relative to how many people agree with any arbitrary meaning. there's nothing more to it. geommetry and loose associations.

 

[Ninae]

Looking at that again there isn't ONE country which doesn't use one of those symbols in its flag so they can't be that meaningless.

I had a sense they were meaningful but didn't realise they were seen as so indispensable?

Most likely these are symbols of some sort of divine geometry and meaning fundamental to our existence which have been interwoven in all our nationalities and belief systems in some way.

 

[L2R]

Looking at that again there isn't ONE country which doesn't use one of those symbols in its flag so they can't be that meaningless.

i didn't say meaningless. i said they mean less than what you think. it's easier to get common support behind simple ideas and patterns than complex ones, so massive groups of people like nation states use them. there's nothing more to it than that.

I had a sense they were meaningful but didn't realise they were seen as so indispensable?

is that a question?

what makes them indispesable? they are arbitrary, if anything.

Most likely these are symbols of some sort of divine geometry and meaning fundamental to our existence which have been interwoven in all our nationalities and belief systems in some way.

why on earth would these be "divine" or "fundamental to our existence"? they are basic shapes.

 

[Ninae]

Because they're in every flag?

It doesn't point to one ruler as much as many rulers making use of the same toolbox. What's interesting is why so many prefer the same symbols who are so different and far apart.

The only one I left out is the stripes which are also used in many flags. This is basically a partial cross omitting the "Above to below" part. Only the vertical stripe of the cross, which gives a sense of being trapped in this world or in matter.

Anyway, I don't think you can really begin to understand. If you have read a lot of religious history you will have seen so many pentagrams your head starts to spin.

The pentagram, upside or down, in a circle is especially much used (in pagan religions).

 

[L2R]

i have actually studied the history of the middle east, as well as religions therein, in university. this nonsense is a vain attempt to make something more mysterious than it already is. there is plenty of wonder and majesty all around us, and you ignore it all for fanciful notions of these utterly extraneous and unsubstantial cartoon mysticism.


ugh

happy new year
*meaning i wish you have an enjoyable evening of its eve and the year 2015 brings you fulfillment and happiness, and nothing else.

 

[Ninae]

It's easier to think everything is meaningless (and especially easier to make people think).

 

[L2R]

quite the contrary. it's much harder to study reality than it is to just make up complex webs of imaginary connections.

p.s. bjork is not a witch

 

[Ninae]

There's no need to be so offended just because you haven't noticed it. It's not exactly explained in a literal sense so most wouldn't take any notice of it. It didn't really catch my eye until a month ago when I started to notice it all over the place.

It's like a line of dominos that falls. You can't really unsee it.

 

[L2R]

i haven't noticed it because i am not deluded. well, i am, but i can recognise when i see things that don't exist.

 

[L2R]

omg so evil and tricksy

 

[Ninae]

When I said "witch" I didn't necessarily mean in an evil sense, the reason I said that is she has the signs of it (not just the eyes for it).

Like the sign for Gardnerian witchcraft tattood on her arm (could be a coincidence, even though it's ugly), has a lot of magical energy about her, and is always doing these nature-worshipping things like skipping around in nature like an elf.

So it seems more likely she's into some sort of pagan belief, though not necessarily in a negative sense. She has a positive soul/personaity energy no matter what she practices.