The Auto-Tune/Pitch Correction Debate Thread

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I know we've touched on the subject in other threads but I thought it'd be fun to have an entire thread devoted to the debate over the use (or overuse?) of auto-tuning.

I think Neko Case best summed up my perspective on the whole issue

Pitchfork: You seem like somebody who would be especially annoyed by the "American Idol"-ization of modern pop.

Case: You mean the horrible singing?

Pitchfork: Yes.

Case: When I think about Jackie Wilson or the Platters and then I think about modern, Top 40 music that's really horrible, it makes me mad. Singing isn't important anymore. I'm not a genius-- if I had been around during the time of Jackie Wilson or Rosemary Clooney or Patsy Cline, I would be shit. I would be singing in some bar somewhere for $5 a week and that's as far as I would ever go. But I'm living now and I write songs, it's different. There's some part about the craft of singing-- craft is too important of a word, I hate that word but I just used it anyway-- in a lot of places, it hasn't really made it. It's not to do with the people who are doing it as much as the people who are producing it. There's technology like auto tune and pitch shifting so you don't have to know how to sing. That shit sounds like shit! It's like that taste in diet soda, I can taste it-- and it makes me sick.

When I hear auto tune on somebody's voice, I don't take them seriously. Or you hear somebody like Alicia Keys, who I know is pretty good, and you'll hear a little bit of auto tune and you're like, "You're too fucking good for that. Why would you let them do that to you? Don't you know what that means?" It's not an effect like people try to say, it's for people like Shania Twain who can't sing. Yet there they are, all over the radio, jizzing saccharine all over you. It's a horrible sound and it's like, "Shania, spend an extra hour in the studio and you'll hit the note and it'll sound fine. Just work on it, it's not like making a burger!"

Pitchfork: She's pretty busy making videos and shit though.

Case: It's rough, I know. She's so rich she could get somebody else to do the other stuff while she spends that extra hour in the studio. Or Madonna! Just hit the note! Don't pretend it's William Orbit being crafty-- we know you're not hitting the note because you have other shit to do. You can do it, I have faith in you. But don't leave the studio before you hit that fucking note. And you know what? When you do hit it you're going to feel so much more valid that it'll come through in all the other shit you're supposed to be doing later in the day. Seriously!

And if Celine Dion is supposedly the great singer that she says she is why is there auto tune on every fucking word in her songs? Can't you just hit it, Celine? Do you have another baby book to shoot? You gotta paint your baby to look like a pot of peas? What are you doing that you can't be singing in the studio? It's your fucking job!

Pitchfork: Hey, that baby book is beautiful.

Case: You know that's the grossest thing I've ever seen. That was so nasty I almost had to hate some babies for that. But babies came back and said, "I'm not responsible for this, they made me do it." So I decided that I still love babies.

Pitchfork: You seem to be following this book closely.

Case: It's so easy to follow! I don't even have a TV or a radio in my house and it's easy to follow.

Pitchfork: Anyway, I take it you're not a fan of auto tune.

Case: I'm not a perfect note hitter either but I'm not going to cover it up with auto tune. Everybody uses it, too. I once asked a studio guy in Toronto, "How many people don't use auto tune?" and he said, "You and Nelly Furtado are the only two people who've never used it in here." Even though I'm not into Nelly Furtado, it kind of made me respect her. It's cool that she has some integrity.

http://pitchfork.com/features/interviews/6306-neko-case/

So what do you think?
 
We can thank Wendy's "Frosty Posse" for Jay-Z's "D.O.A." (a.k.a. "Death of Auto-Tune") song. Well, maybe they're not 100 percent responsible, but the Jiggaman said that hearing the use of Auto-Tune in a commercial for the fast-food chain is one of the things that inspired him to bring forth the song.

"I just think in hip-hop, when a trend becomes a gimmick, it's time to move on," Jay said in an interview with Chicago radio station WGCI on Tuesday. "I saw a Wendy's commercial and they're using Auto-Tune. They're joking on it. It's like, OK, enough of that ... It was a trend, it was cool in the beginning. Some people made great music with it, now it's time to move on."

Jay Z does say he likes MGMT though.
 
I don't like it when used for its purpose ie. creating true pitch. I do like it when used as an effect to fuck around wth vocals and other instruments. That said, I think its a pretty obvious effect even when used subtley. If you grew up listening to music without AT then you can almost instantly pick it. It also makes me respect singers more who don't use it, and still sing well.
 
^ +1. I don't mind it used as an effect, but as a substitution for technique, I find it offensive.

What infuriates me is how people who work as "singers" won't put the time and effort into earning how to sing. Shit, if whats-her-name in that interview…um, Shania Twain, has so much money and time, why not hire a voice coach? Normal people without wonderful natural singing voices can learn to sing decently and hit all their notes. Because they're dedicated to the art and the craft.
 
Auto-tune is just a tool, like a guitar or a synth, and I've heard it used to good, novel effect before, so I can't hate it. That said, auto-tune makes a mediocre musician look absolutely terrible, especially now that its become ubiquitous.

I'm honestly more fearful for the next trend in modern R&B, since the auto-tune well have been pumped dry.
 
I love Auto-Tune when the right people use it. Most people, including myself, should never use it. If you can't sing, AAT won't make you sound good. The material has to be decent to begin with for it to be worth it.

I actually heard this Mariah Carey "Obsessed" remix yesterday that had her on AAT (idk if she uses it in the original song) and it was really dope. T-Pain is dope. Cher was dope. This song is dope. This is hilarious. Basically, there's lots of good shit out there, but in order for it to be useful, it needs a decent starting point, which means you have to be decent to begin with. Jane Blow can't run her vocals through AAT and expect to sound like Whitney or Mariah.

Its dope, but only the right people should use it (if they're using it in a serious way...mocking it, etc - ie: Eminem - is great too, as long as everyone knows its not serious.)

2oclockbeanfiend attempting to interpolate Kanye's epic fail, only to epic fail himself
 
I've heard all of T-Pains albums all the way through, and he doesn't use it more than he does use it. I was pleasantly surprised that there are quite a few decent songs and he actually can sing well without it.
 
this thread is now about Thomas Paine.

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I think most people fail to realize that almost every recent record you have listened to has been slightly auto-tuned. singers nowadays are nowhere near perfect in pitch.

auto-tune is a tool that just gets annoying when over-done. it reminds me of the production trend of the 80s when they just figured out the synth. sure, it was bad ass for some Devo or Cars songs, but then it got over played.

auto-tune is a necessary evil for a recording artist, such as myself, but it gets on my nerves when people like T-Pain and the crab-core kids whack off with it.
 
^Sort of.

Pitch correction is used all the time via hardware or software solutions. You bump a bad note here or there in an otherwise good take. Think of a punch in or over dub--this is more of a manual process than just letting it rip automatically on the whole take. It has definitely been abused these days, but I'm sure it is used undetected far more often than you would suspect. It's no different than recording to a click and then shifting a slightly off-time note to make it on-time or editing a the best components from multiple takes into one uber-take that ends up on the record.

This is part of what comprises the "studio magic". However, the better solution would just be to keep doing takes until you get it right or are able to splice in the section from a better take for that particular spot. A lot of this is driven by the need for a recording to be "perfect" when that may not always be the best idea. That's kind of a whole different topic though.
 
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