Shrooms00087
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I said glorious genocide 

See this is proof that you're the one who makes things personal. I never said I know what's best for you or that you shouldn't be able to kill yourself if you so desire. I don't really have any agenda or motive when I post here other than to verbalize and cross reference stuff that I've learned. Besides, I couldn't possibly impose my views on you even if I'm right. So don't take a break from what you believe, just take a break from wanting to be right all the time.
Why not imagine it like this for the person suffering (and contemplating suicide). This is a purely fictional scenario to illustrate a point. The person is a captive, and their capturers are their relatives. The prison masters have either the option to let the prisoner die right away (because they're going to die anyway), or torture them before they die. And the masters decide that its their moral right to be able to torture the prisoner before the prisoner's death, because the torture provides them with joy, positive emotions.
Why not imagine it like this for the person suffering (and contemplating suicide). This is a purely fictional scenario to illustrate a point. The person is a captive, and their capturers are their relatives. The prison masters have either the option to let the prisoner die right away (because they're going to die anyway), or torture them before they die. And the masters decide that its their moral right to be able to torture the prisoner before the prisoner's death, because the torture provides them with joy, positive emotions.
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edit: one thing that I have found freeing about contemplating the oftentimes shittiness of the world is that its made me aware that every single one of us, from the worst to the best, did not choose this. We are just here, with no guidance, nothing to tell us where to go, imperatives and drives that we cannot rationalise, no clue what is next. No wonder so much awful and bizarre things emerges from this. If suffering and discontent has benefited me it has made me almost painfully compassionate for anyone who feels anything like I do. At times I loathe humanity, myself included, but I also feel pity for us all and wish us the best, given the immense burden and pain of being human.
I have an argument against it:
whatever pain you feel now pales in comparison to the fire of hell.
There is nothing in the Christian bible prohibiting suicide. That came from the fucked up priests in the same way your post is fucked up
Well the gospels suggest he knew how everything would play out. So yeah you could call it suicide, but he didn't do it from sorrow or for honor. He wanted to show people that it's possible to overcome death.
Plus he's forgetting that Jesus effectively committed suicide by not doing one of many many things he could have done to avoid his crucifiction. In fact, the Bible and history is littered with Cleopatra's, Socrates's, Samson's suicides. There was once seen almost a sense of nobility around suicide.
Of course, there is the difference between a suicide from despair and suicide for 'honour'. But, as you said C_T, there is little in the Bible actively prohibiting it. However, you could argue quite reasonably that our secular society has inadvertently increased the rates of suicide; once you remove the great penalty from it (eternal suffering after a life of it!) there is less of a reason to not kill oneself.
I think someone else posted this earlier, but its worth a look. http://www.jennifermichaelhecht.com/stay/
I have been reading it on and off for a few months and have found it interesting and very relevant for me. My suicidal thoughts have decreased significantly of late- not saying its due to this book, but the book has helped to clarify some stuff. I'd be really interested in your thoughts on it Cosmic_T.
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