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The "American" parts of BL

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Mailmonkey said:
cheech and chong are fucking shit films, a child could have written them.

Spaced is ace.
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I used to love Cheech and Chong but then adulthood kicked in and that was that. Though I was about 30 when I saw Things Are Tough All Over and I quite liked it.

The only great American slacker movie in existence is Easy Rider. I had tears in my eyes at the end of that.
 
Mailmonkey said:
cheech and chong are fucking shit films, a child could have written them.
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The van made of weed, the "Labrador" weed, being full of acid in the car & laughing at the cops, the girl doing the line of Ajax. All great moments. All in the same film I think though lol. Cheech & Chong is mainly shite, you need to be stoned out of your mind to enjoy the one or two watchable films.

I think I'm gonna watch Spaced today, been meaning to for ages.

Easy Rider %) - Outstanding film.
 
Spaced is fucking excellent, not watched it in years but it's one of those you can watch straight headed or off your face. Loved Daisy so much, episode where they all go off clubbing n take pills is great. One sorta druggy show I can't get into is The Mighty Boosh. Me and the missus of the time and her mates spent half our mid-teens off it on god knows what watching that and everyone thought it was brilliant. Tried to watch it sober a few years back and thought 'what the fuck have we been watching?'. Doesn't help that I can't fucking stand Noel Fielding, it had some funny bits but eh. I don't mind bizarre/abstract stuff; League of Gentlemen is immense and was quite fond of Dark Place etc., but the Boosh just fucks me off now. What do the murkins think of it? Dunno if it ever got big over there.
 
Cheech & Chong are fuckin' hilarious. At least they are when you're a teenager for whom the novelty of weed hasn't worn off yet. Probly wouldn't hit the spot quite as much these days but very fond memories. Up in Smoke and Next Movie are classics though <3

Whilst we may still have a pet American or two around and about the place I have a question that's been bugging me for years (in a fairly minor way admittedly) - y'know how US folks tend to change UK spellings and phrases just a tiny bit for no obvious reason? Fair enough I spose - bit of national teenangst trying to not be so like their parent nation, I presume. There's one I just don't get at all though: "I couldn't care less" became "I could care less". How does that not change the meaning to the opposite? If you could care less then you care more, no? :?
 
That bugged me until I decided to take it as 'I could care less, but I can't be arsed' :D
 
Shambles said:
Cheech & Chong are fuckin' hilarious. At least they are when you're a teenager for whom the novelty of weed hasn't worn off yet. Probly wouldn't hit the spot quite as much these days but very fond memories. Up in Smoke and Next Movie are classics though <3

Whilst we may still have a pet American or two around and about the place I have a question that's been bugging me for years (in a fairly minor way admittedly) - y'know how US folks tend to change UK spellings and phrases just a tiny bit for no obvious reason? Fair enough I spose - bit of national teenangst trying to not be so like their parent nation, I presume. There's one I just don't get at all though: "I couldn't care less" became "I could care less". How does that not change the meaning to the opposite? If you could care less then you care more, no? :?
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They didn't change most things for no reason. It was done so that they could reduce the amount of letters in their books and newspapers, which in turn reduced publication costs. Colour becomes color etc. I don't know why they did the s becomes z thing though, probably because z's are cool? With "I could care less" doesn't it sort of become implied that caring less is a possibility that you won't actually do?
 
I thought the loss of "u" and swapping "s" for "z" (and pronouncing "z" as "zee" too for that matter) was cos someone (Mr Webster?) decided to make English spelling more phonetic. Vaguely recall reading that was the reason anyway. Still seems like the act of a petulant teenager determined to be different to its parent to me though. Or the act of a man who saw a moneymaking opportunity in selling slightly different dictionaries.

Snoll-de-Roll: That does sound fairly reasonable actually. Still think it's a bizarro change though... but I could care less (which in this case is actually true cos I care enough for it to bug me just a teensy bit).
 
Shambles said:
I thought the loss of "u" and swapping "s" for "z" (and pronouncing "z" as "zee" too for that matter) was cos someone (Mr Webster?) decided to make English spelling more phonetic. Vaguely recall reading that was the reason anyway. Still seems like the act of a petulant teenager determined to be different to its parent to me though. Or the act of a man who saw a moneymaking opportunity in selling slightly different dictionaries.

Snoll-de-Roll: That does sound fairly reasonable actually. Still think it's a bizarro change though... but I could care less (which in this case is actually true cos I care enough for it to bug me just a teensy bit).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences

I guess it's because we both decided to start spelling stuff consistently at the same time and came to different conclusions.
 
That'd be the moneymaking scam option then. Fair enough.

I always rather liked the idiosyncratic spellings of Ye Olde English. Wonder if dyslexia would've taken off as much as it has done if we'd stuck with the "spell stuff however you want to spelle stuph" model?
 
Nah dyslexia would just be universal. Have you ever tried to read an old English source? It's a fucking nightmare! Interestingly, my friend who studied history at Cambridge got taken to a book written by a priest written if I remember correctly in the 1400s, and on the side they'd written 'fuck the priest of xyz', and that is apparently the first record of someone using fuck in writing we have :D
 
Ha! :D

Ya, have read a smattering of Ye Old English texts. Various poetry collections and Canterbury Tales leap to mind. Can be a bit inpenetrable but not so bad once you get a feel for the author. But mainly inpenetrable tbh :D

In related news, the word "Ye" is actually pronounced "The". Nobody ever said "Ye" - was just one of those weird abbreviations/random changes they used to use for printing only (like "f" for "s"... kindaforta thang).
 
Shambles said:
Snoll-de-Roll: That does sound fairly reasonable actually. Still think it's a bizarro change though... but I could care less (which in this case is actually true cos I care enough for it to bug me just a teensy bit).
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Haha, I suspect it might just be me trying to make sense of the nonsensical and yes it is bizarro, don't get me started on the s - z thing, I've been proofreading a load of my mates essays (do an English degree and they assume it is your job, oh yes mock me for doing a BA and then come and ask me to make sure you can spell) and the amount of shit I had to change just because no one changes spellcheck to the UK English setting is amazing. Also sentences that end mid sentence or are complete nonsense but that's another post.

Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Nah dyslexia would just be universal. Have you ever tried to read an old English source? It's a fucking nightmare! Interestingly, my friend who studied history at Cambridge got taken to a book written by a priest written if I remember correctly in the 1400s, and on the side they'd written 'fuck the priest of xyz', and that is apparently the first record of someone using fuck in writing we have :D
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Haha aye, I really can't get my head round half that stuff. Or I can, but it's a bastard; just finished my first module in Renaissance literature and bugger me half the semester was taken up teaching us how to read the original sources.
 
snolly said:
Haha aye, I really can't get my head round half that stuff. Or I can, but it's a bastard; just finished my first module in Renaissance literature and bugger me half the semester was taken up teaching us how to read the original sources.
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The strangest thing is when your lecturer will just pick up the source material and read it straight off the page. It's not even just the bad spelling, they didn't even write letters in any sort of consistent way, and because of some sort of fucked up paper shortage they sometimes write 3 lines into the size of one normal one.
 
Oh man I know, it's a nightmare, my tutor was obviously well versed in it and we're all just sat there like 'huh?'. I mean it's not all unintelligible but yeah, not the best formatting. I like the source texts for aesthetic value because I am a massive book gay but when it comes to reading it, I'd rather just, uh, not. More of a fan of late 19th/early 20th century post modern-y stuff myself.
 
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