nice.
somebody once told me that "at the moment of death, all of life's questions are answered." doesn't sound so bad even if there is nothing next...
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The afterlife...
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somebody once told me that "at the moment of death, all of life's questions are answered." doesn't sound so bad even if there is nothing next...
alasdair
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Stories about the afterlife are just that, stories. They are made for the soothing of children. There may very well be a part of you that detaches and goes on to live in another life somewhere else in existence, but even if there is i doubt that 99% of people would be aware enough to experience the transition, or maybe none at all. Maybe that is the point, that at death you experience the ultimate resolution.. all your questions are answered, all your mistakes and those of others revealed to instead be perfection, you experience total eternal peace as you merge back effortlessly into the source from which everything springs.
Why not ask those who've died whilst still alive..
"They say that I am dying, but I am not going away. Where could I go? I am here." - Ramana Maharshi
Why not ask those who've died whilst still alive..
"They say that I am dying, but I am not going away. Where could I go? I am here." - Ramana Maharshi
Damien
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I believe that if you have accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior then you go to wherever he is and be with him. If you have not done that then I believe you will be eternally separated from God, whatever that looks like.
Tosh.Suku
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When you pray, do you go into a zone? Does the rest of the world drop away? I never been there. God and coma. I can say an Our Father and think about lunch at the same time. Some people say that if you don't accept Jesus Christ as the son of God, as your personal savior, you won't go to Heaven. But is there a guarantee that if you do believe in Jesus, you will be saved? Or will God, the great practical joker, leave you hanging?
And God said let there be light! And there was light. But that's easy for God to say. He was God. But for the rest of us, finding the light takes time. A lifetime.
God knows he's perfect and we're not and we can never be but he expects us to be. And he punishes us if we're not, you know what I'm saying? God is the ultimate gangster. The supremo boss, you know what I mean? Forgiveness, live by his code. Deadness, if we don't. He never has to talk to us face to face and he never has to explain exactly why he does what he does. Know what I'm saying? Brother sits up there in Heaven somewhere, drinking a cappuccino, chilling... "Got the whole world in his hands." He got the whole world by the balls. In excelsius deo and all that shit.
Tosh.Suku
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I absolutely love that line!
Damien
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No trances or zones here. I have a hard time praying at times due to mental distraction and what not. A guarantee? I believe Jesus guarantees it. To me, that's good enough though I know that's not enough for others. Christianity doesn't always make me feel good. I believe it because it makes a lot of sense to me.
God knows that we could never be perfect or live up to his standards. This is why Jesus was sent to atone for our sins. You can never do enough good to get into heaven because sinning once negates all of that. I don't think salvation is conditional upon our works, rather if we have the faith that we're called to have then our actions will reflect that faith. Our works or deeds are symptoms of our faith, not the foundation.
coelophysis
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Heaven & Hell are all part of the same thing.
They're all here & now & no where at the same time. You win a little you use a little. You go up a notch, you go down one, sometimes. You fight towards the same level of moral achievement and standards you set for yourself(religious standards, or every day karmic good deeds) and the cycle never ends, being to being.
They're all here & now & no where at the same time. You win a little you use a little. You go up a notch, you go down one, sometimes. You fight towards the same level of moral achievement and standards you set for yourself(religious standards, or every day karmic good deeds) and the cycle never ends, being to being.
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It amuses me when i see other people talking about reincarnation, karma, heaven, hell, and other concepts, with such authority and conviction. Yet none of these people know for sure really.. they are just reposting a belief. But then there are the few men who have dared to go all the way and back again, yet hardly anyone bothers to listen to them.. or rather, are incapable of hearing them. A few years ago I would have posted the very same thing, some hashed together concept structure or belief about what I think would happen. Now I accept that I don't know. But I also recognize those who have gone all the way.. there is something about their message that just strikes directly in me more than any belief from any religion.
Damien
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I believe Jesus went all the way for three days. I believe Jesus brought others who had gone all the way, back.
It's impossible to be sure that there is an afterlife, just as it's impossible to say that there isn't. Anyone that claims certainty one way or another cannot be taken seriously. We don't know, just keep an open mind to either possibility.
Stay rational people.
Stay rational people.
kytnism
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what is rational?
experiencing higher realms of consciousness during life, and believing that once your body dies, your consciousness does also?
or simply having no faith in things greater than ourselves and the present?
...kytnism...
experiencing higher realms of consciousness during life, and believing that once your body dies, your consciousness does also?
or simply having no faith in things greater than ourselves and the present?
...kytnism...
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The afterlife is simply where you put yourself after your material and conscious self dies.
I'd hate to believe i'm going to just rot in the ground for all eternity.
I'd hate to believe i'm going to just rot in the ground for all eternity.
CrackAndScrabble
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The problem I've always had with peoples theories on the afterlife is the "what" that actually goes onto this so called "afterlife". I don't think there would be any "you" in the afterlife because personal identity is so hard to define.
YellowPolkaDotHalo
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CrackAndScrabble.
Could you see your identity as awareness?
I think of the 'after life' or heaven as awareness of the Love of God absolutely and eternally.
In time 'I' am aware of Him by His Spirit. Its through faith that I know myself
as 'in Him' /'with Him' now perfect and eternal.. lol I hope that makes sense?? :/
Coincidently I just stumbled across this picture of the Holy of Holys.. I had no idea
that the Seraphim were so big.
Could you see your identity as awareness?
I think of the 'after life' or heaven as awareness of the Love of God absolutely and eternally.
In time 'I' am aware of Him by His Spirit. Its through faith that I know myself
as 'in Him' /'with Him' now perfect and eternal.. lol I hope that makes sense?? :/
Coincidently I just stumbled across this picture of the Holy of Holys.. I had no idea
that the Seraphim were so big.
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StoneHappyMonday
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Well it's easily possible to be certain our consciousness has, at best, an underdeveloped notion of what 'nothing' is. We were around a good few thousand years before we even incorporated zero into our number system. And again, its quite possible to be certain that a consciousness that generally only works in and understands linear form is going to be incapable of understanding a time line that may not go Start-middle-End. A consciousness that doesn't easily accept that life and death are not necessarily separate things.
If there is just 'life' then there is no after-life.
Shady's Fox
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As we belive with us, we may be the first to arrive here and if there's another civilization that will rise after us then maybe they pick up with what we have left here and keep advancing, this if our calculation of this shit called Big Crunch would be true and everything will transform into a black hole, a cold void. What's our origin, do we all come from a fuckin asteroid haha I mean laugh for chocolate but now real, a fuckin grey rock with cells on it? yes no, well no one's know exactly. So if we can't figure out our life here with conscious and subconscious minds, how should we answer this question?
Nicomorphinist
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I've heard the theory that in the next life, next level that vibrates at a higher frequency or whatever, the sentient entities including the occasional human spirit cannot experience sensations including sex and effects of alcohol and drugs, nor food, which is what makes them and other critters like demons so interested in "jumping:" or possessing people from time to time. Also that the actual number of human spirits that haunt locations is fairly small, and a sort of electromagnetic bleed-through from Purgatory, sort of like how on a shortwave radio one can pick up a faint version of a station on a frequency of a harmonic, like half and twice the frequency.
There is the physical body, there is the electromagnetism, gravitation and some je ne sais quoi that hold it together that return to the environment, and then the sum of the intellect, emotion and memories, that last of these three is the entity in question. In addition and somehow connected to it that there is the being folks call the soul that goes somewhere, and finally a divine spark that goes back where it came from. The third and fourth component may have to go elsewhere or back to earth and accomplish something specific in atonement -- and it could be as an animal or something else too -- if the owner was awful to people, scandalously wasteful, or whatever. Someone who trucked with transcendent evil to really create large scale problems, like Hitler for example, may just goad whomever is in charge of all this to just annihilate everything left of that individual, which from their perspective may look like blackness but also hurts like the dickens and time stops, which could be one implementation of Hell. I did hear that there was an archangel who went down to the one with which people are familiar and cried his or her eyes out until it put out the flames, so the people who are there for the time being deal primarily with crushing boredom and all the angst of a realm not governed by the law of cause and effect.
Or, maybe the lights just go out?
What we do know with certainty is that many, many, too many people are living out their Hell here on earth.
There is the physical body, there is the electromagnetism, gravitation and some je ne sais quoi that hold it together that return to the environment, and then the sum of the intellect, emotion and memories, that last of these three is the entity in question. In addition and somehow connected to it that there is the being folks call the soul that goes somewhere, and finally a divine spark that goes back where it came from. The third and fourth component may have to go elsewhere or back to earth and accomplish something specific in atonement -- and it could be as an animal or something else too -- if the owner was awful to people, scandalously wasteful, or whatever. Someone who trucked with transcendent evil to really create large scale problems, like Hitler for example, may just goad whomever is in charge of all this to just annihilate everything left of that individual, which from their perspective may look like blackness but also hurts like the dickens and time stops, which could be one implementation of Hell. I did hear that there was an archangel who went down to the one with which people are familiar and cried his or her eyes out until it put out the flames, so the people who are there for the time being deal primarily with crushing boredom and all the angst of a realm not governed by the law of cause and effect.
Or, maybe the lights just go out?
What we do know with certainty is that many, many, too many people are living out their Hell here on earth.
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Xorkoth
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My experiences in life have led me to believe that the universe is an entity in a dimensionless void all alone, that experiences itself subjectively simultaneously through all life to escape isolation, it's a giant dream. Which means that we all are the same force of awareness, but with the illusion of separation due to a separate set of dimensional constraints. As such, I don't believe we each have a unique soul that moves on to another life and ascends or anything like that. Though it would be nice to think that we could continue to exist as individuals beyond death, I think when something dies, its story is ended. But you are me and we are everything, and everything in existence provides the entire story we are experiencing. So although it's impossible to imagine fully as an individual human, I don't think experience stops with death. I think we are experiencing everything right now but each individual is only aware of its own part in the story. So awareness is eternal. There will never be nothingness, but when I die, I will cease to exist in this particular personality.
That's what I believe anyway, I certainly could be wrong. Maybe there's actually a psychopathic bearded European-looking God up there getting his jollies on condemning people to an eternity of torture for violating arbitrary moral stances. That would suck, but I'm not too worried about it.
That's what I believe anyway, I certainly could be wrong. Maybe there's actually a psychopathic bearded European-looking God up there getting his jollies on condemning people to an eternity of torture for violating arbitrary moral stances. That would suck, but I'm not too worried about it.
Zopiclone bandit
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I believe we all have a unique "soul" (yet again I am trapped in a semantics prison) & we come around many times till we have learned lessons of life.
Like how you never remember being born & that is for a good reason but a lot of kids can remember past lives & can speak Russian or write in Japanese at 4 years old etc this happens because their last time around they only learned a single lesson.
When I say lesson I mean the basic things that all people should know but some will never know, like my brother for example, he lives in London & has a nice job, wife etc & his what people would call "upper middle class" so he has NO idea what it is like to sleep rough on the street in the middle of December, have to beg to get some cash to eat etc, maybe his time around before he was a hobo hopping trains in America....who knows?
Anyway I firmly believe till you have had all the experiences your "soul" cannot be complete & you understand all the aspects of life. The moment you have gone through it all you can finally move onto a higher dimension that some may call heaven & you are no longer stuck on the cycle of coming around & around.
Like how you never remember being born & that is for a good reason but a lot of kids can remember past lives & can speak Russian or write in Japanese at 4 years old etc this happens because their last time around they only learned a single lesson.
When I say lesson I mean the basic things that all people should know but some will never know, like my brother for example, he lives in London & has a nice job, wife etc & his what people would call "upper middle class" so he has NO idea what it is like to sleep rough on the street in the middle of December, have to beg to get some cash to eat etc, maybe his time around before he was a hobo hopping trains in America....who knows?
Anyway I firmly believe till you have had all the experiences your "soul" cannot be complete & you understand all the aspects of life. The moment you have gone through it all you can finally move onto a higher dimension that some may call heaven & you are no longer stuck on the cycle of coming around & around.