The Addict's Mind

I find that I'm not an "normal" addict. My family is stable, I don't remember my parents ever having serious fights, I've never been abused, I always did well in school (though the head at my private girls school really didn't like or understand me), I was always pretty popular, never "the popular girl" but I always had lots of friends and guys after me.
I think, when I look at myself honestly, that I'm never really satisfied. I always want more money, more drugs, to be better-looking, to do better at uni. I want instant gratification, and the only thing that will give me that satisfaction is getting high (on anything, I'll do whatever is offered).
And I'm drawn to people with problems, I love addicts. The most passionate relationships I've had were with addicts, and that attraction gets me involved with people who make it very, very hard for me to be sober.
 
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i feel the same way also. i come from a very nice family. parents are pretty strict but would never hit me. upper middle class. i did well in school without really trying. i had alot of friends from all different clicks (sp?). i played sports but never really felt "apart of" ya know? i was always searching for the group that i would feel "apart of" and the only thing that really felt like an almost perfect match, was ppl that i got high with. as long as they wanted to get high when i did, which was basically 24/7.
 
I think addicts need constant stimulation of some sort. I think our brains are wired differently. I notice that alot of drug addicts who quit drugs end up addicted to some other adrenaline inducing activity. I'm addicted to drugs but I'm also addicted to music, books, the internet... I use them all in the same compulsive way. I'm always looking for a mood lift or enhancement of some sort. I don't know why I'm like this, I've had times where I was very self destructive with drugs but most of the time I'm able to moderate myself more so than many other addicts I know, at least when it comes to drugs but I think that's partly because I'm equally addicted to other things such as playing music, listening to music, I read books like a fiend I almost think it's unhealthy the way I do it.

I do notice that addicts seem to attract each other or have some secret antennae that allows them to find each other, and I mean all kinds of addicts not just drug addicts. It's an interesting question I don't have any answers just my own observations. I know I don't feel as comfortable around non addict types, I don't understand the way they live. It does seem like addicts have some insatiable unfillable hole in the center of their beings that they're constantly trying to fill.
 
when i get anxious, nervous, sad, lonely, or bored my first thought is drugs, and which drug will make me feel better. i am a pothead and a mild drinker. i generally feel uncomfortable when im sober.
 
depressica have you ever read the stories in the back of the NA book? It is basically 20 or stories concerning how addictions [light-heavy] effected people. Fairly interesting if you are interested in drugs, etc. I think it starts on page 144.

http://www.na.org/admin/include/spaw2/uploads/pdf/BT6E_Webposting.pdf

I have a stack of those books from every rehab/detox I went to. Some of them scarred from cutting out lines or crushing pills on them. The only thing I would ever read is the stories as I as sick as it sounds I loved/like reading about others addictions. All the NA stories are geared toward recovery though, here is an old list I made about some of my favorite opiate related books. You can get a pretty good idea about how an addicts mind works, or rather doesn't work reading some of those.

http://seedlesss.wordpress.com/category/heroin-books/

edit: Oh and I have movies listed to if you dont like to read.
http://seedlesss.wordpress.com/category/lists/heroin-movies/
peace.
seedless

Interesting material. Thank for the NA link!
 
While I don't really consider myself addicted at this point, I do have a tendency to consume more than I plan to or want to depending on what is going on. If I have lots of things that need to be dealt with, but that I'm trying to ignore, drug use can be an escape. If I'm feeling particularly anxious, I might drink too much to deal with it. Whereas on other days if I'm feeling normal I might just have one drink to unwind and not want another.

I also believe that my drug use is an attempt to experience something more than mundane reality. To feel a connection with others that is often not there, a sense of wonderment, excitement, etc. I guess this is still self-medication because I should be able to experience these without substances, but I do feel that is something missing in my life.

I really try to look at it from a functional perspective. Drugs will serve a different purpose at different times depending on the situation and my state of mind. Sometimes I'm running away from myself whereas other times I'm making a fully controlled decision to have a particular experience.
 
really depends, I've been hooked on opiates for years now, i've only cleaned my shit up recently. And honestly now that things have become a downward spiral so fast I find myself in a split situation, sometimes i avoid anything and everything at all costs so i can focus all my mind on staying sane enough that I don't pull on my thoughts. Other times I will simply not be able to cope mentally with the anguish and torment, groups - all that, fuck i've been to church recently - does nothing - so I'll look at drugs from that perspective as harm reduction. I doubt I'm right , prolly just justifying using, matter of fact I'm almost positive im just an addict trying to bullshit himself. joy.
 
I replied earlier in this thread but since it's been a month or two I'll reply again. (This got longer than I had intended, so feel free to skip it if you don't want to read too much.)

I think addicts have some huge gaping hole in their soul that is insatiable in it's appetite to make itself whole yet it is never whole, just a hole.

I notice I'm like that, it's four thirty am where I live and I'm here writing on addiction, if I were normal I'd be sleeping, but instead I took some adderall and have been up all night practicing music and doing random things on the internet. There's some compulsive factor at work behind all this.

I did have the opportunity to smoke some Heroin for free today and I hadn't had any sub for almost two days but I turned it down because I had a broken headlight and I would have had to drive shortly afterwards, so I'm still capable of making rational decisions when chemicals that I love are thrown in front of me.

I think some addicts are perfectionists who continually get in their own way, but basically nothing is ever good enough, it can always be better and we are never satisfied.

I know I personally have suffered through some undiagnosed mental disorders that led me to my addictions, I don't know what would have happened had they been treated earlier. But I was always addicted to adrenaline rush type of activities, be it skateboarding or jumping off the biggest cliff I could find into the ocean with my friends when I was a kid.

I had a good childhood so I can't blame my addictive personality on that, but there is the subject of genetics which is interesting. My sister is the exact opposite of me but she is ever bit as much of an addict, she constantly counts calories, is always running and terrified of gaining weight, struggles with eating disorders. She's also obsessed with being completely on top of her finances down to the last cent every single minute. She never really got into drugs, but I gave her an ambien once and she went out and got a prescription within a week, she's also on antidepressants, she's addicted to being in control which I think all addicts are to some degree, but she goes about it in the opposite way as I do.

I chose to become a professional musician, sometimes it seems like it chose me actually (talk about a career path to addiction!) my finances are a mess, I take too many drugs, there is no security in my life but I get to do what I love every day and night and you can bet I'm addicted to that, it almost seems like the more chaotic my life is the better any given performance is because it's a way for me to escape, I feel very free when I'm playing. It is extremely cathartic and boosts my adrenaline levels like crazy. This was part of my beginning of my drug use, music got me so high that I never wanted to come down after I was done.

To continue on the genetic theory, my mom is plagued with anxiety and depression but she handles it without resorting to the addictive ways my sister and I have. My dad is a classic case of untreated ADD, dreams big, has brilliant ideas but never ties up the details so his finances are always up and down, he refuses to work for anyone but himself. This frustrates the hell out of my mom, but in spite of all that they are relatively normal.

I could go on and on, we're all different but we still have that addict thing happening. It's fascinating to me but it also scares me because it's taken me to some not so pretty places and destroyed some very beautiful situations in my life.

I'm interested in hearing other peoples definitions.
 
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theartofwar, I know what you mean. Its bad for your health, but then I ask myself, is life worth living if it isn't enjoyable? I am justifying it as well, but hopefully I can get out of it as long as I don't do too much, or find another healthier addiction. Opiates are benign but they can cause overdose!

I replied earlier in this thread but since it's been a month or two I'll reply again. (This got longer than I had intended, so feel free to skip it if you don't want to read too much.)

I think addicts have some huge gaping hole in their soul that is insatiable in it's appetite to make itself whole yet it is never whole, just a hole.

I notice I'm like that, it's four thirty am where I live and I'm here writing on addiction, if I were normal I'd be sleeping, but instead I took some adderall and have been up all night practicing music and doing random things on the internet. There's some compulsive factor at work behind all this.

I did have the opportunity to smoke some Heroin for free today and I hadn't had any sub for almost two days but I turned it down because I had a broken headlight and I would have had to drive shortly afterwards, so I'm still capable of making rational decisions when chemicals that I love are thrown in front of me.

I think some addicts are perfectionists who continually get in their own way, but basically nothing is ever good enough, it can always be better and we are never satisfied.

I know I personally have suffered through some undiagnosed mental disorders that led me to my addictions, I don't know what would have happened had they been treated earlier. But I was always addicted to adrenaline rush type of activities, be it skateboarding or jumping off the biggest cliff I could find into the ocean with my friends when I was a kid.

I had a good childhood so I can't blame my addictive personality on that, but there is the subject of genetics which is interesting. My sister is the exact opposite of me but she is ever bit as much of an addict, she constantly counts calories, is always running and terrified of gaining weight, struggles with eating disorders. She's also obsessed with being completely on top of her finances down to the last cent every single minute. She never really got into drugs, but I gave her an ambien once and she went out and got a prescription within a week, she's also on antidepressants, she's addicted to being in control which I think all addicts are to some degree, but she goes about it in the opposite way as I do.

I chose to become a professional musician, sometimes it seems like it chose me actually (talk about a career path to addiction!) my finances are a mess, I take too many drugs, there is no security in my life but I get to do what I love every day and night and you can bet I'm addicted to that, it almost seems like the more chaotic my life is the better any given performance is because it's a way for me to escape, I feel very free when I'm playing. It is extremely cathartic and boosts my adrenaline levels like crazy. This was part of my beginning of my drug use, music got me so high that I never wanted to come down after I was done.

To continue on the genetic theory, my mom is plagued with anxiety and depression but she handles it without resorting to the addictive ways my sister and I have. My dad is a classic case of untreated ADD, dreams big, has brilliant ideas but never ties up the details so his finances are always up and down, he refuses to work for anyone but himself. This frustrates the hell out of my mom, but in spite of all that they are relatively normal.

I could go on and on, we're all different but we still have that addict thing happening. It's fascinating to me but it also scares me because it's taken me to some not so pretty places and destroyed some very beautiful situations in my life.

I'm interested in hearing other peoples definitions.

Thank you for your long and well thought out reply. There are many mental disorders that are well diagnosed, some of them are genetic, such as bi-polar, or schizophrenia but there has been little study in why people are addicted to chemicals! If someone had a mental disability and needed something to fix it, it is suddenly welcome! A lithium addiction isn't bad is it? It doesn't get you high!

Now ADD, poor person has no concentration, lets give them speed! It is rationalized that its the cure therefore it is perfectly acceptable for them to take it. The man has pain, we have to give him opiates since they are going to make the pain disappear!

I believe it has something to do with the drive to do more and the constrictions of the body. This drug will allow a certain effect, and therefore it will give you a more desirable approach. I am sure there are many recreational drugs that will make lives fun, since no matter what, its mundane and once you enjoy a feeling you must reactivate it to act as you desire to. The hole it fills, nothing else can. Life doesn't matter as much without the drug anymore.

I enjoy risk versus reward, its quite fun. You chose a life rife with change and instability one that has time, effort, dedication, and love in every aspect. Excitement, that is what we do, we add to it and then the single act without the drug becomes an incomplete experience.
 
it's no accident that so many artists are also addicts. there's something to be admired about the people that ask for more in life. the tenacity and the recklessness that drives someone deeper, deeper.

unsettled, thank you so much for that post. and deppressicaa your reply is something quite true and beautiful, and i could have written it myself a couple of years ago. adventure! excitement! i mean, i loved and defined myself by the intense "desire" that became amplified and ever increasing, never fulfilled. my whole impetus for making art was connected to this lust for life.

except with drugs you are just buying into another routine that is just as boring as a 9-5 corporate job and fifty times harder. don't get me wrong, i don't resent my experiences at all, but i long ago stopped believing that i was pushing boundaries and discovering things. risk taking? no... the thing about drugs is that they become very predictable. and the thing about life is that it becomes increasingly horrific and unpredictable. eventually we hang onto the structure of drugs because it's so damn safe. i wish i had discovered this a bit younger but it is finally hitting home.
 
The only reason I really use drugs is for pain relief, and since my pain is permanent... I guess I just need drugs to feel somewhat normal. Getting high from drugs is just that extra little boost.... it's not the reason I use, just a bonus that makes me a little happy. :) I'm not really sure if I'm truly addicted though.
 
i have been taking stims more than 1/2 my life now. it has recently (like 5 hrs ago) become very apparent to me (16 20mg ir Addys in 24hours) that i can no longer control myself around my meds and can't keep track of my use either...BUT i don't feel like i'm an addict--i'm not addicted to Addys in the way i was addicted to cocaine. For 6 months after i quit cocaine years ago my brain and body screamed for it. it was an ever-looming ominous repetitive thought...i felt if i only had a line the snow clouds would relenquish my soul...on more than one occasion i broke down and sobbed despairing because i felt so lost without this drug even though i had been so completely broken by it...

Adderall doesn't have that kind of hold on me...i am more jittery, cracked-out, and incredibly euphorically impulsive without any stims than with. I get a massive natural head rush from being impulsive...but it is often overpowering causing panic attacks. Without adderall i don't sleep much or well, i am constantly in pain, eating disorder thought patterns return, the music turns on in my head accompanied by negative intrusive thoughts and time is sacrificed while providing OCD offerings of triplicate actions to the Universe pleading for acknowledgment that repentence x3 will forgive the negative and one day absolve me of these terrifyingly vivid and violent intrusions...just hopefully one day soon b/c time is relative and without Adderall i perceive it to pass incredibly slow

without adderall my mind/body aren't unified. Control is limited. Thoughts derail without warning...sunny skies then intrusive lucid daydreams strike like lightening and savagely brutalize those i love. Thunder ravages my heart and my eyes begin to storm.
My brain is a horrible uncontrollable thing without Adderall....but with it, i'm in control of my thought progression and am not subjected to intrusive emotional interruptions.
 
rationalize everything

your thinking becomes your reality

if I smoke this oc, i will be more productive, and have more sales at work. Bam top sales at work, get promotion

If I quit smoking oc, I can use that money to buy a porsche.

Bam driving a porsche

If I feel any emotions I don't want to feel, I can smoke heroin

If I can quit smoking heroin, I can do anything

I start my own business, that recently sold for 64 million dollars.

Well that last part is the next goal.
 
Addicts come from all kinds of backgrounds. One thing we do know is that they have a certain type of brain chemistry that makes them more liable to become addicted to something, whether it be a substance or something else such as sex. We're wired differently and there's no doubt about it. I think it's possible for many of these people [born with the tendency to become an addict] can even lead sober lives simply because they haven't been triggered yet. Most addicts who end up abusing a substance were triggered at one point or another, whether it be from something as small as close friends using drugs to something more serious such as an abusive past, rape (as in my case), etc.

Like you I was raised in a very stable family. My parents divorced when I was 12 but they were mature enough to remain friends and never fight, even after getting remarried. All four of them would come to any of my major events and they got along fine. They didn't belittle me by initiating a custody battle and I was able to pick who I wanted to spend the night with freely until my mom moved out of state, and then I would just see her during holidays. Anyway, my childhood was a very blessed one to say the least. I was a good kid--made good grades, didn't act out in the slightest, very intelligent, healthy, maintained lots of hobbies such as sports, had lots of friends, etc.--until a very traumatic event occurred when I had just turned 16.

I had a few friends who were using drugs and it was very clear that they used them to cope with their issues, and I was desperate for some relief from the pain I was experiencing. I was pretty much debilitated by depression, fear, etc. and was diagnosed with PTSD at age 17. The police never caught this person and that had a huge impact on me as well (I STILL fear seeing him again even though the chances are almost nil because I live in another state, so I know it's not a rational thought but it still haunts me nonetheless). When this happened I was hit in the head so hard so many times that my brain was injured to the point where I began having seizures and I still have epilepsy to this day because of it. Only a year and a half after this initial tragedy I was diagnosed with cancer on top of everything. All of this combined made me want to use drugs more and more. Like I said, I had heard drugs help you feel better (as stupid as that sounds) and I was borderline suicidal so I thought, "What the fuck do I have to lose?" Yeah, they made me feel better at first but like any addict can tell you, the drug use quickly led down a dark road.

I didn't mean for that to be so long but if you were interested in individual reasons for addictions, there's mine.
 
Thanks for your detailed reply! I know what you mean.

I believe the rational is what drives addicts the most I believe. You want to get better. You did better with a drug. You associate the drug with success. You use it all the time to succeed. And of course you don't. So you use it more! For more success! It continues.
 
^^ that's very close... but... i think most of the older cats here would agree that taken too far, drugs destroy you. it is no longer associated with "success". even if the high remains the same, the person changes and the high does not evolve with them. hence, the drugs become something that keeps one from evolving.

it's a balance. i experienced a lot of success on adderall between the ages of 22-27, right after i got out of school and was starting my career. i had no script, so i was forced to control my use back then.... but what happened couldn't have been done without the late nights and adderall fueled double shifts. so yes, i agree with the success association.

but if i kept repeating that stage of my life (i'm 34 now) i would be doomed to a chemical limit. and all i find these days is that adderall keeps me working but it doesn't give me the precision and choice that sobriety brings. with stims, i am a monkey forever painting on a canvas never knowing when to stop. when it comes to my thing-- visual art and graphic design-- i am unable to work effeciently on adderall anymore. i can move shapes around forever never knowing when to stop.

besides, the true joy has come from the days that i realize i don't need drugs or anything else to make art, work my job etc.

now that i'm older i want to know what it's like to not need anything. no childish chemical to control how i feel, because i am more than my feelings.

(ps-- i am currently scripted adderall, so the above statement is still just a dream, err goal)
 
Iv been clean for month
after taking drugs im having hallucinations every single night(but not like serious ones) and they all the time reminds me a bout drugs , i just cant stop thinkin about them , and i know im goin to stat taking them again some day
 
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