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The 7 States of Consciousness

Erikmen said:
Wouldn´t this be better than use drugs, for instance?
I´m not disagreeing with you, just weighing the benefits without questioning if they are valid or not. As long as they are positive it´s fine by me..
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This thought of meds vs no meds...kept me looking for something. Self-medicating got old and I realized that wasn't the right way to go about it....finally. It took a LONG time to find this med....but I wouldn't be where I am without them. I know this for damn sure. I could've run to the Rainforest to weave baskets-just escape-but this was not honoring that Force I know/knew that I wanted to serve/give back to. I stayed and found what I'm on. I'm glad everyday I did. I wouldn't have had all the great days of working at my school and teaching those beautiful kids. That's what I'm meant to do. I have no doubt.

So I wouldn't trade anything I've done about the meds...until I feel I'm at the level I NEED to be to come off. They are just a tool.
 
Ninae said:
But "mood-stabilisers" just paralyse your brain and make you less capable of both positive and negative emotions. It's not doing someone any service unless they are insanse or so out of control emotionally they can't function without them. Even then it's not a good way to live.
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We can´t generalize that as too many people with mental illness rely on medication like that to have a life. And by life I mean be satisfied, accepted, loved being able to go on with their relationships and work. Having kids, hobbies, etc, etc.

I can understand that nowadays nobody is looking for curing anything, but treating symptoms. That´s the gold mine, but still we need some of that in many specific cases where mental illness shuts you down.
 
We all should be concern only about ourselves and not at which stage we are compared to others.
what is consciousness? a mental formation based mostly on the 5 senses. What is the knower and the owner of the consciousness? the idea of me is mental formation and the idea of me is the biggest of all. The me is the master who decides for us what we want and need. but there cannot be contentment when there is wishes.

People should see that dissatisfaction is present in us and try to see what they can do to change that.

this sort of classification of consciousness looks like a big ego support system and I doubt is useful for anybody. At least, there should be instruction of how to attain the 7th level rather then merely describe what a 7th level of counsciousness is.
and the 7th level sounds like the brahma atman unification of hindouism which is called jhana iirc. the same jhana, supposedly the ultimate goal of hindouism, is the first jhana of buddhism. but there are 8 jhana, so this enlightenment at the 7th level is very likely a delusion.
 
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Well, Buddhism is an inward path which seeks to withdraw yourself from the world and make yourself virtually extinct. Other belief-systems, like Christianity, are more outward-orientated and more about what you can be and do in this world. Not everyone can find much meaning in such a passive approach to life, but you can still reach the same goal by different paths, in my opinion.
 
Mysterie said:
i think its important to develop and to not disregard other areas of development other than consciousness

like an integrated approach ala ken wilber

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i like the enneagrams more personal take on levels of health which seems to correlate somewhat to your states of consciousness

this is a 4's levels of health (my type, the individualist)

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source: http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeFour.asp#.VLt9dC6Ucew
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I have not seen this one. Thank you for sharing. I'm probably a type 4. I'm an infp, type 5 wing 4 within personality type structures.
I'm a mind type working on a type 8 which is more an an in body type.
 
Ninae said:
Well, Buddhism is an inward path which seeks to withdraw yourself from the world and make yourself virtually extinct. Other belief-systems, like Christianity, are more outward-orientated and more about what you can be and do in this world. Not everyone can find much meaning in such a passive approach to life, but you can still reach the same goal by different paths, in my opinion.
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the goal of everyone is to find liberation and the end of all suffering. In order to do that, you need to remove all the delusions. Theres no outward, the whole of the universe in in you and if you want to know the cosmos, you need to inquire inside.
Its quite the contrary, buddhism is trying to awaken ourselves to the truth within. Being mindful is the exact opposite of being passive. we dont need nothing from outside to find happiness. everything we ever wanted in inside hidden by our ego and false sense of self.
there is no self and the only way of contentment is living now, without any wishes. Any pleasure you try to get outside with your senses is ultimately unsatisfactory and impermanent. how can you build your happiness upon something totally impermanent?
 
Theosophy teaches there are different paths. The Buddhis path is an inward path on the Wisdom Ray. The Christian path is an outward path on the Love Ray.

It's interesting and there is definitely more than one approach.
 
Smoky said:
I have not seen this one. Thank you for sharing. I'm probably a type 4. I'm an infp, type 5 wing 4 within personality type structures.
I'm a mind type working on a type 8 which is more an an in body type.
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I am INFP..w3. You should visit PerC if you like all that. When I read some of the stuff about my personality type, it was like reading every motivation I ever had....was kind of scary, but good.

They have a shitload of info on the actual Enneagram website.
 
It's Lamictal...and it has done very well. It does not fuck with your head ..at ALL. Many meds will really mess with your ability to think clearly. This just does the job-levels you.
 
Aaaah...I was practically force-fed Lamictal when I was voluntarily secrioned for a benzo script as I refused anything else. It just blunts you out without being relaxing or making you feel better which is worthless for me (because I'm stable enough in myself).

But it's definitely one of the weaker ones. Seemed like a weaker version of Orifil (the first time they gave it to me I slept for 24 hours and threw up when I woke up - and they sell it as a better alternative to benzodiapines).
 
Ninae said:
But "mood-stabilisers" just paralyse your brain and make you less capable of both positive and negative emotions. It's not doing someone any service unless they are insanse or so out of control emotionally they can't function without them. Even then it's not a good way to live.
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Also, in relation to this...I have plenty of emotions...up and down...like anyone else. I feel.....typical....if that is the right word.

Some meds will make you feel zombie-like though. That was why this one worked. It didn't.
 
Ninae said:
Aaaah...I was practically force-fed Lamictal when I was voluntarily secrioned for a benzo script as I refused anything else. It just blunts you out without being relaxing or making you feel better which is worthless for me (because I'm stable enough in myself).

But it's definitely one of the weaker ones. Seemed like a weaker version of Orifil (the first time they gave it to me I slept for 24 hours and threw up when I woke up - and they sell it as a better alternative to benzodiapines).
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Indeed...people's reactions are different...how long were you on it? When I had it, it was almost an instant difference.

Don't get me wrong...It was HARRD to come down from what I was experiencing...but ultimately, unless I was willing to run off to Tibet and join a monastery...I was going to stay and teach. So I take them. Its not to say I'm not growing...as by my first reply to the thread...quite the opposite.
 
Not long. So were you treated for mania?

Too bad you can't find a way to incorporate it into what you're doing. Children are pretty manic but can still cope somehow (I don't agree with drugging up the most manic ones - some of them just have more joy and energy than most).
 
Ninae said:
Not long. So were you treated for mania?

Too bad you can't find a way to incorporate it into what you're doing. Children are pretty manic but can still cope somehow (I don't agree with drugging up the most manic ones - some of them just have more joy and energy than most).
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I have another SNOW DAY. I couldn't believe it. We were out Mon for Pres. Day, then yesterday for snow...then today for black ice factor. Heh.


Yes, always for mania. I'm diagnosed bi-polar...haven't been depressed-only in contrast to feeling manic...and then coming down. That can be debilitating...because there's nothing quite like that level of feeling..except it feels a lot like one incredible, months long, best acid trip..... of your life. Inevitably, when I go back into the hospital (8 times now), they determine since I had been feeling this way (in contrast)...that I must have been depressed..lol...

Anyway, children are not weighed down with life..until they hit secondary school with all their angst...and they can be seen as manic when they don't have all that like later in life.

One kid I have taught for several years-(we do that since it's a special school for kids w/learning disabilities) is diagnosed as bi-polar and was a huge mess (2nd grade) until she got on the right thing. Wow...a terror....meltdowns everyday, tantrums, etc. Today, (she's in 5th grade now) she's doing great and still has moments of frustrations, etc...but is one of the most creative, intelligent, artistic children I have ever known. She's lucky in that she had a huge amount of support and resources for her to get what she needed.

About them in general though, they are very perceptive. Younger ones have definitely felt when my mood is elevated and get very silly. I have to pull back a little. I have to be very careful not to let my sleep get out of hand for more than 2 days. It will build if I let it. It all fits together like a puzzle now...that sometimes I have to rearrange, but know how to place.

Btw-maybe a little more on the topic of your thread...sorry about that...I had my first lucid dream last night. I see it as all connected..consciousness 'progress'- if you will. I'm going to make a thread on it...as I'd like to get some advice, hopefully. If you've had lucid dreams, please come give some advice!
 
Do any of you think it's true that wearing, sleeping in a room, or representing a particular color will enhance a particular chakra or level of consciousness? For exampled red shirt, red bed spread, red car, makes you more rooted and thereby less mindful being? Are these physical versions of what we are truly feeling? What I mean is, did I buy the red shirt the red car and red bed covers because I feel so rooted? A lot of questions I know but I feel in a discussion about philosophy questions are more important than answers sometimes. Thanks ahead of time.
 
Yea, when I was a teenager I was into all of that. I had all sorts of stuff I bought at alternative fairs. Like coloured plastic sheets to put over your chakras, gemstones and aromatic oils corresponding to each, etc.

It might give a little stimulation but the problem with these aids is that it's mainly something passive and I think it would be hard to achieve much results by that alone. You would have to combine them with other methods that affect the chakra energies from the inside or more directly. I think what really makes the most difference is internal, personal development that you go through in your life and affect things like your state of mind, your way of projecting yourself, and how you relate to other people.

Other than that, I think practices like meditation and yoga probably help the most. It can help clean out your chakras and make kundalini energy rise which activates all the chakras. But in general keeping your body clean and healthy and balancing yourself psycholigically helps a lot. Also, when you work to have spiritual experiences and achieve it, it will create changes in your energy centers.
 
Great insight Ninae. I was kind of worried I might be overloading one chakra just by my love for the color green.
 
Gothraidh said:
Great insight Ninae. I was kind of worried I might be overloading one chakra just by my love for the color green.
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Yes. Although the heart-colour can also be pink.

I've always prerred blue dispropornately to other colours (1/3 of the reason I like reading Bluelight) but I also have a very active throat-centre and control self-expression and speech well. If I go to see a doctor, etc. and I don't feel like it they don't get a word in edgeways as I feel I might as well use it to my advantage. But it's hard not to take advantage of your strengths.
 
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