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The 3-FPM Discussion Thread V2. Fumes of Fiend Fuel

I am coming around to the cloaked euphoria 3 has. You aren't that first-order high, but you laser focus in on one thing and it's like a state of empty bliss. It's both nothing there and you're riding perfection.

*ding ding ding*

If you do decide to expand your stimulant horizons I'd love to hear of one that can in any way match what 3-FPM gives - I've encircled the cuboid a few times and yet nothing has been as unique.
 
You're a smart girl, Squid.
I'm sure you can figure out just why you're asking the impossible there.
You can't light a fire to cook your dinner but complain that you can't put your face directly in it...
 
It's definitely in a field all of its own. Personally I prefer phet, although granted since I haven't tried vaped 3-FPM I can't be completely certain on that. But at least for me, while losing yourself completely in focus is fun, I prefer to have a something that's a bit rougher and harder (obligatory hurr hurr) and has its own character that mixes with the enhancement it provides. But that's just a matter of personal preference, and of course context plays a big role in that too. What's good for hanging out at home is rarely what's good for dancing till your legs fall off at a club.
 
Bit o' quantitative trivia to back up why I yabber on about Calcium Carbonate when using:

When using stimulants the pH of nephrotic system becomes markedly acidic due to the inherent dehydration preventing dilution of metabolic products along with insufficient Na+ intake inhibiting adequate transport of valuable electrolytes through the tubule membranes. Dysfunction of such a form is termed Renal Tubular Acidosis, the reasoning I would imagine is fairly obvious, and occurs at a pH level of 5.5 and below.

A simple but unbelievably painful consequence of chronic renal acidosis is the formation of kidney stones - formed from Uric acid, Cysteine residues and Calcium Oxalate deposits precipitating out of solution and coagulating until their mass cannot pass through the ureter.
Homeostatic basification of blood and waste occurs through secretion or retention of bicarbonate ions and respective salts.
Ensuring the system retains a stable pH is the easiest way to avoid what is often described as the most acutely painful affliction possible.

The proximal tubule functions to reabsorb ions of biological value (Na+/K+/Mg2+/Ca2+ etc.) along with glucose, amino acids and phosphate molecules among other things, from the urine prior to its transference to the bladder. During RTA the proximal tubule cannot sufficiently absorb the presented load which presents massive problems downstream within the distal tubule. Active transport of dissolved bicarbonate across the membrane results in a relative reduction in H+ secretion which indirectly worsens the acidosis once the bicarbonate ions are excreted in the urine. The consumption of Na+ by transporter proteins has a knock-on effect which ultimately results in the excessive excretion of K+. The system begins working in a desperate and self-destructive loop which worsens as time progresses.

Given Na+/K+/Mg2+/Ca2+ are responsible for the capacity of organic membranes to function along with the very ability of muscle tissue to alternate states of contraction and relaxation it should come as no surprise that insufficient concentrations result in massive systemic problems - weakness progresses to twitches, then to spasms and seizures while consciousness becomes involuntary. Cell death becomes tissue death which results in organ death and ultimately complete cessation of biological functioning.

Aside from reducing the likelihood of kidney stone formation and dying on the floor while performing an impression of a salmon on hot coals. the basification of the nephrotic system has a beneficial impact on drug metabolism, of particular importance with Amphetamines and their ilk.
At a pH of 7.0 roughly 30% is excreted completely unmetabolised, at 5.5-6 that figure skyrockets to over 60% of the dose being completely wasted!
Conversely, if the urinary pH is kept between 7.5 and 8 the vast majority of the dose undergoes the deamination pathway resulting in just 7% being excreted unchanged.

A handful of Tums and a few bottles of Gatorade are a very small price to pay for not having calcified kidneys, double the effectiveness of your drugs and continuation of your not being dead.
 
If only you'd posted that 40 minutes ago, it would have reminded me to nab some carbonate tabs while I was at tescos.

Currently "enjoying" what I would term the secondary phase of 3-FPM effects, where the primary high is long gone but it or possibly some metabolite is chilling in your blood stream and generally leaving you a bit cracked out. Of course, I suspect the visual portions of that were primarily some combination of weed and SSRI effects, given both of those substances on their own have produced a similar to identical effect (in the case of SSRI effects it was the combo of recently started sertraline and booze, but I feel like given the fluoxetine will be going a bit haywire due to CTing off it, similar effects are entirely possible), but the jumpiness I am pretty certain was lingering 3-FPM, and maybe not enough sleep. I was also getting more into my music than usual, which is suggestive of lingering 3-FPM as nothing else that's in me currently really produces that type of musical engagement.
 
Bit o' quantitative trivia to back up why I yabber on about Calcium Carbonate when using:

When using stimulants the pH of nephrotic system becomes markedly acidic due to the inherent dehydration preventing dilution of metabolic products along with insufficient Na+ intake inhibiting adequate transport of valuable electrolytes through the tubule membranes. Dysfunction of such a form is termed Renal Tubular Acidosis, the reasoning I would imagine is fairly obvious, and occurs at a pH level of 5.5 and below.

A simple but unbelievably painful consequence of chronic renal acidosis is the formation of kidney stones - formed from Uric acid, Cysteine residues and Calcium Oxalate deposits precipitating out of solution and coagulating until their mass cannot pass through the ureter.
Homeostatic basification of blood and waste occurs through secretion or retention of bicarbonate ions and respective salts.
Ensuring the system retains a stable pH is the easiest way to avoid what is often described as the most acutely painful affliction possible.

The proximal tubule functions to reabsorb ions of biological value (Na+/K+/Mg2+/Ca2+ etc.) along with glucose, amino acids and phosphate molecules among other things, from the urine prior to its transference to the bladder. During RTA the proximal tubule cannot sufficiently absorb the presented load which presents massive problems downstream within the distal tubule. Active transport of dissolved bicarbonate across the membrane results in a relative reduction in H+ secretion which indirectly worsens the acidosis once the bicarbonate ions are excreted in the urine. The consumption of Na+ by transporter proteins has a knock-on effect which ultimately results in the excessive excretion of K+. The system begins working in a desperate and self-destructive loop which worsens as time progresses.

Given Na+/K+/Mg2+/Ca2+ are responsible for the capacity of organic membranes to function along with the very ability of muscle tissue to alternate states of contraction and relaxation it should come as no surprise that insufficient concentrations result in massive systemic problems - weakness progresses to twitches, then to spasms and seizures while consciousness becomes involuntary. Cell death becomes tissue death which results in organ death and ultimately complete cessation of biological functioning.

Aside from reducing the likelihood of kidney stone formation and dying on the floor while performing an impression of a salmon on hot coals. the basification of the nephrotic system has a beneficial impact on drug metabolism, of particular importance with Amphetamines and their ilk.
At a pH of 7.0 roughly 30% is excreted completely unmetabolised, at 5.5-6 that figure skyrockets to over 60% of the dose being completely wasted!
Conversely, if the urinary pH is kept between 7.5 and 8 the vast majority of the dose undergoes the deamination pathway resulting in just 7% being excreted unchanged.

A handful of Tums and a few bottles of Gatorade are a very small price to pay for not having calcified kidneys, double the effectiveness of your drugs and continuation of your not being dead.

Er, yeh. Get a fuckin life mate ;)
 
Last week I tried, for the first time in months, 3-FPM without keeping up on my supplement regimen, and in particular the Mg, Bx and E vitamins.
Holy fuck it genuinely felt so much worse than I would ever have thought - Magnesium really is a 110% necessity for extended stim sessions.
 
Last week I tried, for the first time in months, 3-FPM without keeping up on my supplement regimen, and in particular the Mg, Bx and E vitamins.
Holy fuck it genuinely felt so much worse than I would ever have thought - Magnesium really is a 110% necessity for extended stim sessions.

Meh, you kidz and yer fuckin supplements... We never had supplements back in the old daze. We got wot we were bloody given and were bloody grateful... ;)
 
For the purposes of harm reduction can I just say that CHELATED magnesium is what you need as opposed to citrate magnesium and variants which often causes severe diarrhea.

No one needs a stim come down and having to run to shit through the eye of a needle too (or a trainspotting moment)! :D
 
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