US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread
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brokedownpalace10
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an allergy to winning
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Weren't we discussing your response to the link @alasdairm posted? ^^^^^ One of the polls in it?
You have a tendency to post very slanted links telling half the story. X posts most commonly.
Previously, I have fact checked a couple of your posts and proven them wrong. Then I told you I wasn't doing that anymore. I mentioned credibility you might remember.
I looked into this against my better judgement after asking you to check the data for me repeatedly
I made it crystal clear which poll I was wondering about, yet you continually played dumb.
Funny thing is, had you checked it for me as I asked, I wouldn't have found all the other data.
It's tiresome trying to have a debate with someone who continually changes the goalposts. As soon as one point is debunked a new argument arises.
I'm sorry if I upset you, have a good day.
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This doesn’t work anymore if it ever did. There is no reasoning or presenting arguments or fact and having them consider it. I’m not sure what the alternative is with people hell bent on holy wars or eradicating of certain people not belonging to certain groups. I can think of only one outcome to this and it doesn’t involve reaching some sort of compromise.
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americans generally like progressive policies, it's the republicans who make up the unpopular policy proposals... just republican voters i guess don't pay attention to all that or something
Sometimes I imagine the body politic of the US as being a bunch of chickens just kind of pecking at each other while waiting for something to happen.
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Ten of the eleven U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents.
^ indeed.
"i voted for trump because he is the anti-war president!"
thank goodness he's a real straight shooter and you always know exactly where he stands
so, yeah, not so much.
alasdair
"i voted for trump because he is the anti-war president!"
- he claimed he'd end the war in ukraine before his inauguration. he did not.
- US greenlights Israel’s renewed bombing of Gaza, White House says - "All hell will break loose"
- US launches wave of air strikes on Yemen's Houthis
so, yeah, not so much.
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I note that the US stock market has lost $5.5 trillion (over 10%) in the last 30 days.
Whatever your politics, it's UNCERTAINTY that will prevent anyone investing in the US. When someone announces tarriffs at 9AM and reverses the decision by 1PM the same day, it becomes impossible for any business to plan. If the city loses trust in an elected leader, they aren't 'making a point' but simply reducing their exposure to risk i.e. investments in US business. Once lost, trust takes a long time to return.
I'm not a regular FT reader but they are generally considered the 'financial newspaper of record' and this is their findings:
Investors made the “biggest ever” cut to their US equity allocations in March, as President Donald Trump’s erratic trade war sparked fears over the US economy and prompted a heavy Wall Street sell-off.
Allocations to US equities plunged 40 percentage points, from 17 per cent overweight in February to net underweight 23 per cent in March, according to Bank of America’s closely watched survey of fund managers. Over the same period, allocations to Eurozone stocks leapt to the highest level since July 2021.
According to BofA analysts, stagflation fears, the global trade war and an end of US exceptionalism have driven a “bull crash” in sentiment.
“It’s not surprising to see fund managers moving away from the US market,” said Trevor Greetham, head of multi-asset at Royal London Asset Management. “It’s priced for perfection and the policy coming out of the White House ain’t that.”
According to the survey, nearly 70 per cent of investors now say the “US exceptionalism” theme, which pushed the S&P and Nasdaq indices to record highs in the weeks after Trump’s election win in November, has peaked.
https://archive.is/o/IJV4X/https://www.ft.com/content/6ae8d102-7864-4829-8c1c-61fa56f4e70f
This abrupt shift comes as US stocks have tumbled since hitting a record high in February. The survey also showed that investors’ global growth expectations collapsed in March by the second biggest margin on record.
As well as US stocks broadly, investors were negative about tech and energy stocks, while they were more upbeat towards utilities and banking stocks.
OT the latest Private Eye podcast (page 94) suggests that Donald Trump and Fox News are in a feedback loop. Donald Trump says or does something, Fox News tells him he's a genius and so he feels vindicated. I'm not a US citizen so I can't watch Fox News. I WOULD be fascinated to learn if it's possible to watch Fox News and from their disinfomercial model, predict what Donald Trump will do next. Because if true, it could be a useful tool.
Whatever your politics, it's UNCERTAINTY that will prevent anyone investing in the US. When someone announces tarriffs at 9AM and reverses the decision by 1PM the same day, it becomes impossible for any business to plan. If the city loses trust in an elected leader, they aren't 'making a point' but simply reducing their exposure to risk i.e. investments in US business. Once lost, trust takes a long time to return.
I'm not a regular FT reader but they are generally considered the 'financial newspaper of record' and this is their findings:
Investors made the “biggest ever” cut to their US equity allocations in March, as President Donald Trump’s erratic trade war sparked fears over the US economy and prompted a heavy Wall Street sell-off.
Allocations to US equities plunged 40 percentage points, from 17 per cent overweight in February to net underweight 23 per cent in March, according to Bank of America’s closely watched survey of fund managers. Over the same period, allocations to Eurozone stocks leapt to the highest level since July 2021.
According to BofA analysts, stagflation fears, the global trade war and an end of US exceptionalism have driven a “bull crash” in sentiment.
“It’s not surprising to see fund managers moving away from the US market,” said Trevor Greetham, head of multi-asset at Royal London Asset Management. “It’s priced for perfection and the policy coming out of the White House ain’t that.”
According to the survey, nearly 70 per cent of investors now say the “US exceptionalism” theme, which pushed the S&P and Nasdaq indices to record highs in the weeks after Trump’s election win in November, has peaked.
https://archive.is/o/IJV4X/https://www.ft.com/content/6ae8d102-7864-4829-8c1c-61fa56f4e70f
This abrupt shift comes as US stocks have tumbled since hitting a record high in February. The survey also showed that investors’ global growth expectations collapsed in March by the second biggest margin on record.
As well as US stocks broadly, investors were negative about tech and energy stocks, while they were more upbeat towards utilities and banking stocks.
OT the latest Private Eye podcast (page 94) suggests that Donald Trump and Fox News are in a feedback loop. Donald Trump says or does something, Fox News tells him he's a genius and so he feels vindicated. I'm not a US citizen so I can't watch Fox News. I WOULD be fascinated to learn if it's possible to watch Fox News and from their disinfomercial model, predict what Donald Trump will do next. Because if true, it could be a useful tool.
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I"m sure they've done everything they can to make accessibility an option.
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I think it important to note that Rupert Murdoch and his family own the majority of Fox Corporation shares.
Say what you like about Rupert Murdoch, the man isn't stupid. While Elon Musk appears to be conjoined to Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch is arguably more able to influence While House policy BUT at arms-length. He rarely demands a specific item be reported on BUT his senior management have all maintained their positions by aligning their politics with his. It's interesting that on a personal level, it's believed that Rupert Murdoch thinks Donald Trump is a moran - but a moron who will provide those HUGE tak breaks both he and Musk are REALLY after.
It's also interesting that a media organization can avoid being listed as a doner by the simple expedient of paying-in-kind i.e. offering advertizing space either free or at such a vastly reduced price that it's essentially free.
Of course right now there is a huge legal battle going on behind closed doors for control of the Murdoch family trust.
Say what you like about Rupert Murdoch, the man isn't stupid. While Elon Musk appears to be conjoined to Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch is arguably more able to influence While House policy BUT at arms-length. He rarely demands a specific item be reported on BUT his senior management have all maintained their positions by aligning their politics with his. It's interesting that on a personal level, it's believed that Rupert Murdoch thinks Donald Trump is a moran - but a moron who will provide those HUGE tak breaks both he and Musk are REALLY after.
It's also interesting that a media organization can avoid being listed as a doner by the simple expedient of paying-in-kind i.e. offering advertizing space either free or at such a vastly reduced price that it's essentially free.
Of course right now there is a huge legal battle going on behind closed doors for control of the Murdoch family trust.
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For sure, if going to jail or becoming a political prisoner of the new regime is on your schedule, for the rest of us, hope the movement destroys itself, keep your head down and your mouth closed, and pray that the parallels to 1940 Germany don’t continue exhibiting themselves.
We’ve already had the criminal trials of the fuhrer and the storming of the reichstag, now we have the pardoning en masse of the perpetrators, I’m dreading the night of a thousand knives.
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I thought that was a giant covaids mask
for the 2020 white house front door
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Donald Trump conflates 'trade surpluss' with theft. If another nation can produce an item AND import it to the US for less than the US can produce it, ask why. There are a range of reasons from lower wages (Mexico, China) and much cheaper access to the raw materials (Canada). He's gone back and forth with tarriffs after US manufacturers have pointed out that they also import parts and materials so tarriffs wouldn't make them any more competitive.
On the other hand, Donald Trump considers VAT to be an 'unfair tarriff' in spite of the fact that wherever a product is made, VAT is applicable (on most items). So it's in no way unfair to a specific nation. Almost all US statees add sales tax to the prices of most goods. I freely admit that 3 states do not charge sales tax (Delaware, Montans and New Hampshire) but I note thay raise taxes on specific products, savving/dividends and state income taxes. At the end of the day, the ONLY difference is that the tax is paid to the state but at the end of the day, does that detail matter to the consumer?
The state with the lowest taxation appears to be Alaska but as I understand it, Alaska actually has to pay people to live there. No insult to Alaska, but I imagine with those vast open spaces and it's geographic location will conspire to make it more costly to live there. If you have well-paid oil-workers, you still need a lot of other people doing those 'unskilled' jobs that need still doing.
I really have to wonder if Donald Trump AC|TUALLY knows what he says isn't true i.e. he's essentially just being aggressive with a view to 'getting the best deal' OR are we witnessing an elderly man disaplying neurological decline? I note Fred Trump (Donald Trump's father) developed dementia and it appears to be a heritable class of disorder. It would tie in with my previous thought that Fox News and Donald Trump are essentially in a reenforcment-loop. Donald Trump will say or do something ridiculous, Fox News will cast it in the best light possible to please their most important viewer and that re-enforces Donald Trump's belief that every pronouncement is an act of genius.
Interesting that Rupert Murdoch who directly and through his family trust holds the majority sharholding of Fox Corporration apparently loathes Donald Trump. Rupert Murdhoch is NOT stupid. He studied the greats at Oxford so likely has a better understandong of how politics really operates than Donald Trump. For Murdoch, Trump is a bafoon, but a bafoon who is likely to vastly enrich Murdoch and at the end of the day, Murdoch is all about the money.
Either way, the US isn't the largest marketplace in the world, it's not even the second largest. By all means use tarriffs - retaliatory tarriffs will simply result in the US ending up as an autarky. Only products made in the US will be sold in the US, but no US-made goods will be sold anywhere else in the world. But it will result in a sharp increase in prices.
I'm reminded of that William S. Burroughs quote 'Beware whorse who say they don't want money. The hell they don't. What they want is more money. MUCH more'. I note that those DOGE payments are likely to only be given to people who earn over $40,000/annum i.e. only those who pay federal income tax. To me, this is OLD. When the UK government sold off energy, public transport, public housing and utility suppliers (all of which were built via taxation), people were offered cut-price shares. But of course, you had to have the money to buy the shares to benefit. 30 years later we end up paying more for each and every one of those things than any other European nation... But hey, the cheap shares distracted enough people for long enough to avoid political backlash...
On the other hand, Donald Trump considers VAT to be an 'unfair tarriff' in spite of the fact that wherever a product is made, VAT is applicable (on most items). So it's in no way unfair to a specific nation. Almost all US statees add sales tax to the prices of most goods. I freely admit that 3 states do not charge sales tax (Delaware, Montans and New Hampshire) but I note thay raise taxes on specific products, savving/dividends and state income taxes. At the end of the day, the ONLY difference is that the tax is paid to the state but at the end of the day, does that detail matter to the consumer?
The state with the lowest taxation appears to be Alaska but as I understand it, Alaska actually has to pay people to live there. No insult to Alaska, but I imagine with those vast open spaces and it's geographic location will conspire to make it more costly to live there. If you have well-paid oil-workers, you still need a lot of other people doing those 'unskilled' jobs that need still doing.
I really have to wonder if Donald Trump AC|TUALLY knows what he says isn't true i.e. he's essentially just being aggressive with a view to 'getting the best deal' OR are we witnessing an elderly man disaplying neurological decline? I note Fred Trump (Donald Trump's father) developed dementia and it appears to be a heritable class of disorder. It would tie in with my previous thought that Fox News and Donald Trump are essentially in a reenforcment-loop. Donald Trump will say or do something ridiculous, Fox News will cast it in the best light possible to please their most important viewer and that re-enforces Donald Trump's belief that every pronouncement is an act of genius.
Interesting that Rupert Murdoch who directly and through his family trust holds the majority sharholding of Fox Corporration apparently loathes Donald Trump. Rupert Murdhoch is NOT stupid. He studied the greats at Oxford so likely has a better understandong of how politics really operates than Donald Trump. For Murdoch, Trump is a bafoon, but a bafoon who is likely to vastly enrich Murdoch and at the end of the day, Murdoch is all about the money.
Either way, the US isn't the largest marketplace in the world, it's not even the second largest. By all means use tarriffs - retaliatory tarriffs will simply result in the US ending up as an autarky. Only products made in the US will be sold in the US, but no US-made goods will be sold anywhere else in the world. But it will result in a sharp increase in prices.
I'm reminded of that William S. Burroughs quote 'Beware whorse who say they don't want money. The hell they don't. What they want is more money. MUCH more'. I note that those DOGE payments are likely to only be given to people who earn over $40,000/annum i.e. only those who pay federal income tax. To me, this is OLD. When the UK government sold off energy, public transport, public housing and utility suppliers (all of which were built via taxation), people were offered cut-price shares. But of course, you had to have the money to buy the shares to benefit. 30 years later we end up paying more for each and every one of those things than any other European nation... But hey, the cheap shares distracted enough people for long enough to avoid political backlash...