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US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread


I think we would need a proper survay of Tesla owners to understand what their current opinion of the Marque is now. Because A couple of examples only serves to provide (a very small) hard floor.

I know that Tesla's on-line security has been called into question a few times, it would REALLY be a coup of someone were able to scrape all owner E-mail addresses and carry out a transparent on-line questionaire that asks owners their opinions.

On a related topic, in 'Family Guy', Brian owns and drives a Tesla. I wonder how the writers will deal with the current situation? I suspec the ONLY path is for Brian to become an Elmo superfan, sorty-story-story, Brian comes to his senses realizing how awul Elmos is. Cue the credits.
 
Lol, it's like a prerequisite for you lefties to not get along with your immediate family

How quaint to think that the current US government in any way conforms with the traditional mololithic left<---->right metric.

If you look at the various authoritarian governments throughout history, I suggest that they are far less like Mussolini, Franco, Carmona and their ilk. After a lot of studying, I would suggest that the authoritarian popularism that most closely matches that of ancient Rome bot be a far more accurate prototype. But of course, Romans didn't use that salute.

But the model is so very similar.

A Ceaser with the power of imperium.
A patriach class hired or fired (or worse) at the whim of the |Ceaser. Drawn from the wealthy elite, they are loyal to Ceaser as he has the power to enrigh them still further. Although in theory voted in, in practice grift and patronage are how they obtain and retain power.
The People who, while still in theory having voting rights, in practice are unable to use those voting rights.

One of the core tenets of authoritian popularism is that is has NO overall guiding bases. Money is the only thing that seperates classes and thus power.
 
I went to a protest at a Tesla dealership today. Well, it's actually a Burlington Coat Factory being changed to a Tesla dealership. Anyway, the weather is rainy today and it was rescheduled to Monday. A friend said that she and a couple others were going anyway since there was a window in the rain. I expected a few folks would be there hanging out and we would BS.

At least 50 people showed up, all with signs like, "Muck Fusck", "F Elon" and "Send Elon to Mars". It was on a busy street and the honking and thumbs up was phenominal. When I did the Board of Elections last year, it was maybe 66/33 thumbs up to fingers (Harris won my county, not the state). Today, there were 2 or three fingers and lots of thumbs up and honking.

So, my informal and flawed poll says that public opinion is changing.

Good times. Ya oughta go. The legacy media isn't covering this stuff just like they sanewashed Trump before the election. Again, legacy media are corporations...
But, real people seeing this is actually grass roots.
 
Watch democrats double down and run a trans, lesbian, and darker black woman that hates white men in 2028. They are so fucking clueless, this is an illiterate white Christian racist country - read the fucking room and play to it if you want to win.
Only if she has a septum piercing, dyed hair with the sides shaved, and is a competitive Olympic weightlifter
 
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It's mind boggling what is going on with the USA.
Some of those Federal workers have contracts. From a few news reports I've seen Musk is lying about how much he's saving. Or hiring back people that were fired.
Can the president really get a non elected moron to run a new branch of the government ? And what about sensitive information, does Musk's team pass security clearance? Can the senate shut it down?
Just seems wrong
 
When thousands of federal workers get back pay for having been fired illegally, DOGE will end up costing taxpayers extra money for work not done.

Real efficient.
I fear that they do so much damage in such a short amount of time that you can't possibly put it all back together, even though they were ruled to be wrong. Take USAID for example. Does anyone think this agency will just pick up where they left off once things are sorted out? No, its done.
 
Can the president really get a non elected moron to run a new branch of the government ?

Trumps Supreme Court ruled that the president can do anything he wants including crime and have it not be a crime.

This was ruled during Bidens term; Biden did nothing with it. He should have dismantled the Supreme Court and taken extreme unconstitutional actions to prevent another election from Happening…instead he handed the country to Trump with a new court ruling that he could do anything he wanted
 
How quaint to think that the current US government in any way conforms with the traditional mololithic left<---->right metric.
So true.

The current Republican Party isn't Conservatism, it's Trumpism. Check out The Bulwark. Those folks are all former Republicans (moderate conservatives) who are disgusted with what the party has become. My parents were staunch lifelong Republicans but they would not recognize the party today. They probably would never vote for a Democrat, but they wouldn't embrace MAGA either-- and they definitely wouldn't approve of Musk.
 
the republican party has had opportunities to decouple itself from trump and it's chosen not to. i think it ultimately damages them in the long term.

Some of those Federal workers have contracts. From a few news reports I've seen Musk is lying about how much he's saving. Or hiring back people that were fired.

what's happening is what happens when the people in charge are unqualified and don't know what they're doing.

also: US judges order Trump administration to reinstate thousands of fired workers

alasdair
 
So true.

The current Republican Party isn't Conservatism, it's Trumpism. Check out The Bulwark. Those folks are all former Republicans (moderate conservatives) who are disgusted with what the party has become. My parents were staunch lifelong Republicans but they would not recognize the party today. They probably would never vote for a Democrat, but they wouldn't embrace MAGA either-- and they definitely wouldn't approve of Musk.
And what is called "the left" in America would be called center right anywhere else. Your AOC's, Bernie, and "the Squad" would be center left.
 
It's mind boggling what is going on with the USA.
Some of those Federal workers have contracts. From a few news reports I've seen Musk is lying about how much he's saving. Or hiring back people that were fired.
Can the president really get a non elected moron to run a new branch of the government ? And what about sensitive information, does Musk's team pass security clearance? Can the senate shut it down?
Just seems wrong

I don't think anyone really knows.
There's so much untested shit in our laws and constitution.
I guess we always just assumed that a tech oligarch wouldn't buy his way into the Oval Office.
 
I don't think anyone really knows.
There's so much untested shit in our laws and constitution.
I guess we always just assumed that a tech oligarch wouldn't buy his way into the Oval Office.
I've always said that the Constitution is an extremely flawed document, mostly in the shit they left out.
I guess they thought we'd have more sense and/or honor.
 
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you give the American ppl too much credit. I’m convinced that the combination of things unique to America and our culture have made us deeply sick and unsavable. We will destroy ourselves.
There are plenty sick and unsaveable, might I even call them "deplorable" voters. I still think that there is a large portion that's just shallow and unthinking when it comes to voting.
If we have a recession, they will vote the bums out... if they can.

'Cause of course, with what the Repugs are doing now, that might not be possible anymore by then. That's the scary part.
I gotta say it. Wouldn't even Joe Biden falling asleep at his desk have been better than that?
 
Trump people want to make America great again
They just don’t understand that what makes america great isn’t inherently American. There is no inherent America.

We aren’t great because we’re American. We’re great because we are a people governed by a system that’s capable of improving itself.

Now, we’re only as great as trump and his ideas. The people voting trump are trying to improve the system but the trouble is that they hate America and they hate their American neighbors.

They think that bringing manufacturing back to America will bring back jobs. But they don’t understand the economic imperatives which make this impossible.

In our great technological leap into the future, we became a society divided by class. The defining feature of that class division is the intelligence necessary to participate in the new digital economy. A good amount of Americans were not able to move forward with America into this future. America brought immigrants with the skill sets to make computing work but also decided to collectively ignore the needs of everyone who couldn’t gain the skills necessary to move into computing. So a bunch of Americans think that they can just send the immigrants home and the jobs will come back. They think if they get rid of DEI then they and their children will suddenly become qualified for and receive gainful employment.

They truly believe that the problem with America is that their neighbors aren’t Americans, that they don’t worship where they worship, and that their skin color is being diluted by people who aren’t American.

They have decided what America is and they want to keep it that way.

They hate the America where people are all different. They want an America where everyone is the same.

They see your multicultural America and they raise you a white Christo fascist nation state governed by Trump.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a mass murder event built around political identity. Where the Passover symbol is distributed on truth social. Like on January sixth. How everyone knew where they were supposed to be and what they were supposed to be doing but no one had really put the event together.

Everyone will just know that it’s up to them to get rid of the democ-rats who are ruining America.

If not me then whom?
 
So true.

The current Republican Party isn't Conservatism, it's Trumpism. Check out The Bulwark. Those folks are all former Republicans (moderate conservatives) who are disgusted with what the party has become. My parents were staunch lifelong Republicans but they would not recognize the party today. They probably would never vote for a Democrat, but they wouldn't embrace MAGA either-- and they definitely wouldn't approve of Musk.

Yes my father was a lifelong republican and HATED Donald Trump. My stepmother has also been a life long republican who despises DT. My mother was a Democrat and would have been absolutely shocked at what is happening if she was alive. I keep hoping someone wakes me up from this nightmare.
 
Trump people want to make America great again
They just don’t understand that what makes america great isn’t inherently American. There is no inherent America.

We aren’t great because we’re American. We’re great because we are a people governed by a system that’s capable of improving itself.

Now, we’re only as great as trump and his ideas. The people voting trump are trying to improve the system but the trouble is that they hate America and they hate their American neighbors.

They think that bringing manufacturing back to America will bring back jobs. But they don’t understand the economic imperatives which make this impossible.

In our great technological leap into the future, we became a society divided by class. The defining feature of that class division is the intelligence necessary to participate in the new digital economy. A good amount of Americans were not able to move forward with America into this future. America brought immigrants with the skill sets to make computing work but also decided to collectively ignore the needs of everyone who couldn’t gain the skills necessary to move into computing. So a bunch of Americans think that they can just send the immigrants home and the jobs will come back. They think if they get rid of DEI then they and their children will suddenly become qualified for and receive gainful employment.

They truly believe that the problem with America is that their neighbors aren’t Americans, that they don’t worship where they worship, and that their skin color is being diluted by people who aren’t American.

They have decided what America is and they want to keep it that way.

They hate the America where people are all different. They want an America where everyone is the same.

They see your multicultural America and they raise you a white Christo fascist nation state governed by Trump.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a mass murder event built around political identity. Where the Passover symbol is distributed on truth social. Like on January sixth. How everyone knew where they were supposed to be and what they were supposed to be doing but no one had really put the event together.

Everyone will just know that it’s up to them to get rid of the democ-rats who are ruining America.

If not me then whom?


I feel like there is a lot of truth in this but I'm not sure I followed you at the end.

Someone was telling me about a book that was written before DT was elected the first time that predicted this type of event. The reasoning was that the country was moving forward too rapidly and there was a backlash from the right. It predicted a leader like this becoming president. Does anyone know what book this was?
 
I feel like there is a lot of truth in this but I'm not sure I followed you at the end.

Someone was telling me about a book that was written before DT was elected the first time that predicted this type of event. The reasoning was that the country was moving forward too rapidly and there was a backlash from the right. It predicted a leader like this becoming president. Does anyone know what book this was?
You followed everything except the mass murder event?

Or the rat reference?

Or if not me then whom?

That’s basically an allusion to when extremism makes a demand to the common people that it is paragon to their movement that violence be applied by the people and not by the state.

If I don’t take action myself by participating in the violence then whom will make right the wrongs perpetrated by those whom we seek to harm?

Picture it this way.

Rwanda
“Cut the tall trees.” Was all it took to awaken in the populace that what was necessary for the benefit of their society was sinister violence on the level of each individual within the society.

I think it could be said in another way,

We must decentralize our violence to achieve our goals.
 
I think I kinda agree with your post. But just want to nitpick, I guess.
we became a society divided by class.
We are definitely going back to a society with class. I just think it's becoming much more stratified into haves and have nots with less in the middle.
And that digital intelligence isn't the key to being a have. It's money and power. They'll come after the desk jockey's money, too.
The defining feature of that class division is the intelligence necessary to participate in the new digital economy. A good amount of Americans were not able to move forward with America into this future. America brought immigrants with the skill sets to make computing work but also decided to collectively ignore the needs of everyone who couldn’t gain the skills necessary to move into computing. So a bunch of Americans think that they can just send the immigrants home and the jobs will come back. They think if they get rid of DEI then they and their children will suddenly become qualified for and receive gainful employment.
You can bring some manufacturing back to America, but many blue collar jobs in America will be much more technical in nature than they were years ago. And, yes this does include computers but not solely. To compete with countries where the populace can live on a few dollars a day, factories will be more automated, but you will still need people to run that automation. AI will reduce that even more, but you will still need some people.

So, I agree that many people think that you can force all the jobs back to America and they can go down the road and mindlessly assemble widgets for good pay and that that just ain't so. You're gonna have to go to work sharp enough and with enough basic skills to be trained in something a little more technical than that for even entry level jobs.

Guess I'm just saying that it wouldn't all be sitting at a desk on a PC, but that, yeah, a lot of these Trumpers don't want to put in the effort to change.

Personally, I was a grunt factory worker who was unemployed during the Reagan recession. Had to move 1,000 miles away and live with family for 3 years to keep working. Unemployment was in the double digits in my home state for 3 years and stayed high for some time after that.
Didn't vote before that and always voted after.

When I finally came home, I was eligible for quite basic govt training in electronics (a few months) which did get me back to work in my state. The job I landed paid for college classes and I took 10-15 night classes related to machining since I had a basis in the field. Bid into machine shop and continued my education to advance there. AutoCad, MasterCam, NC programming, yadda. All that to advance as a machinist, never landed that office programming job. :)

Enough tooting my own horn. Point is that decent factory jobs do exist and can be increased with surgical tariffs, but you have to be the cream of the crop to get a good one anymore. Think skilled trades. Manufacturing can be brought back to some degree, but it will be competing against very cheap labor and thus production will have to be high using automation, etc.. The grunt jobs are in other countries where you can live on $5 a day and they ain't coming back.
But, you do need to manufacture shit here for a more stable economy.

As a machinist I very often set temporary workers up to just change parts on large quantity jobs. There were still basic skills you needed to learn like reading inspection equipment, reading blueprints, and some of the basic machine functions. Screw ups could ruin thousands of dollars worth of equipment. A individual who cared could be trained to be an entry level "helper", but they were expected to take notes and be sharp. About one in five did well at this and were possibly hired full time. Many others were mentally and physically lazy and, strangely enough, surprised when their temp contract was not renewed. The ones that cared could possibly go on to learn machining on the job, but making peanuts for many years.

I'm reminded of the coal miners being interviewed and many saying, "I don't want free re-training. I want the coal mines back.". Is this a freaking Dickens novel?

Times have been tough before. You have to adapt and put in the work to survive. You can't just vote for a dear leader to hand it to you. Someone will promise the sun, moon, and the stars I'm sure, and then pick your pocket.

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In addition, non-surgical use of tariffs to bring back jobs just starts trade wars. They don't happen in a vacuum. You have to consider what other countries will do.

Bringing back jobs is a worthy goal, but can't be done at the level he is promising. Tariffs need to be carefully used.

And, I don't think that's actually what he is trying to do. I think it's much more insidious than that.
 
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