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fairnymph said:
He could, but then the damage from misrepresentative editing would already be done.
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This whole political situation worldwide reminds me of the below.......


“This is one of the oldest and most effective tricks in politics. Every hack in the business has used it in times of trouble, and it has even been elevated to the level of political mythology in a story about one of Lyndon Johnson’s early campaigns in Texas.

“The race was close and Johnson was getting worried. Finally he told his campaign manager to start a massive rumour campaign about his opponent’s life-long habit of enjoying carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows.

“Christ, we can’t get away with calling him a pig-f****r,” the campaign manager protested. “Nobody’s going to believe a thing like that.”

“I know,” Johnson replied. “But let’s make the sonofab****h deny it.” - Hunter S. Thompson
 
fairnymph said:
Yes, absolutely, imo.

I imagine they wouldn’t let him independently record. I’ve never heard of that being a thing.
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If you think The Hill is a liberal source, I'd hate to imagine where you get your news.

All he'd have to do is demand it. Hell, a person with a cell phone or even witnesses would be enough. I really don't think it would be an issue.
 
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fairnymph said:
How can Musk ensure the show was not edited?
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by watching it.

fairnymph said:
I can understand his wariness given how much mainstream media edits and twists information.
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the irony of this statement is not lost on me :)

the daily show may be entertainment but jon stewart is a reputable actor.

musk weaseling out is just lame.

alasdair
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
If you think The Hill is a liberal source, I'd hate to imagine where you get your news.

All he'd have to do is demand it. Hell, a person with a cell phone or even witnesses would be enough. I really don't think it would be an issue.
We'll see where this goes. Musk might do it. Hopefully, it won't end up like Trump and the second debate with Kamala that never happened.
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I almost never watch or read ANY direct news sources.
 
Say what you want about Trumps seemingly insane behavior. Regarding the tariffs against Mexico Trump said that was because of all the fentanyl crossing the border, yes? So what did Mexico do in response? They actually started cracking down on the cartels big time. They busted around a 113 clandestine labs within a month and they seized over a kilogram of fentanyl within the same month. I have to give credit where credit is due. Trump was right. Mexico half assed their border protection and is now doing what it can in order to avoid said tariffs.

Im no Trumpist but damn am I curious if this works. Whatever it takes to bring down the number of opioid related deaths in the US.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
People really have amnesia as to how bad things were during Covid. I think they want to forget. The stimulus checks (with an "s") were needed to keep us from recession. The first two were from Trump and he even signed one of them real big. The whole world had inflation and we pulled out more quickly and our general economy faired much better.

Preventing a recession without inflation is a tightrope. When we got the last stimulus check the news was all over about how much better things were for workers and how pay was going up and people were improving their lot in jobs as they went back to work. We tipped into inflation. Sure, having there be more pain for people trying to go back to work and pay their bills might have prevented it.

So, it's a tightrope. We could argue all day about whether that last check was just one too many and that we needed a little pain to have an economy with less inflation. However, one thing is true and can't be argued. That last bit of stimulus was not bad in what the policy was so much as it might have been bad in the degree of the application of that policy.

Another thing which really can't be argued is that the economy had been stable for some time at the 2024 election. All numbers were good, as they had been, and inflation had only been slightly high for nearly two years.

So, Trump was handed a good economy, the past of that economy aside. If the economy tanks now, it's not a matter of applying too much stimulus and not accepting enough pain.

It's 100% mismanagement on his part.
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The build back Better Act was passed November 19th, 2021. If you look at a graph of food prices you will see that they shot up to record levels exactly in the 8 months following passage of that bill. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1426468/food-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

By the way, I am a retired political scientist (PhD) who taught political economy. I don't have a dog in this fight as I am not a big Trump supporter but I can tell you with 100% certainly that Democrat policy directly caused food prices.

It was the worst possible law at the worst possible time.
 
I watch this content creator a fair bit. While I’m not Christian, I think she has some pretty good takes. And while I’m dubious of the occult stuff, many famous people certainly signal it, for whatever purposes.

 
Psynaught said:
The build back Better Act was passed November 19th, 2021. If you look at a graph of food prices you will see that they shot up to record levels exactly in the 8 months following passage of that bill. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1426468/food-inflation-rate-in-the-us/

By the way, I am a retired political scientist (PhD) who taught political economy. I don't have a dog in this fight as I am not a big Trump supporter but I can tell you with 100% certainly that Democrat policy directly caused food prices.

It was the worst possible law at the worst possible time.
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You need to be a member to completely access the graph you linked, but if you examine this one you will see that worldwide inflation peaked at exactly the same time.
Do you feel that the Build Back Better Act caused worldwide inflation?

www.statista.com

Global inflation rate from 2000 to 2029 | Statista

Inflation is generally defined as the continued increase in the average prices of goods and services in a given region.
www.statista.com www.statista.com
 
Regardless, I did mention that there were many stimulus packages heading out of Covid and said that the final one may or may not have been too much. My main point was that
brokedownpalace10 said:
That last bit of stimulus was not bad in what the policy was so much as it might have been bad in the degree of the application of that policy.
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And, most importantly
brokedownpalace10 said:
Another thing which really can't be argued is that the economy had been stable for some time at the 2024 election. All numbers were good, as they had been, and inflation had only been slightly high for nearly two years.

So, Trump was handed a good economy, the past of that economy aside. If the economy tanks now, it's not a matter of applying too much stimulus and not accepting enough pain.

It's 100% mismanagement on his part.
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Build Back Better at least was that elusive infrastructure package that Trump had promised for four years. So, there's that.
 
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Looks like this admin could make housing more affordable for responsible people. Just gotta get DOGE on the case to shut down this misuse of tax dollars


Under the guise of Covid relief, the Biden administration masked the growing troubles in the housing market by paying off borrowers and mortgage servicers to prevent foreclosures. Of the 52,531 FHA loans last year that went seriously delinquent within their first year, only nine resulted in foreclosure.
The FHA instituted a program that pays mortgage servicers to make borrowers’ missed payments for them. Missed payments are added to the loan’s principal, but without interest. The FHA also pays servicers to cut monthly payments for delinquent borrowers by 25% for three years, with the payment reductions also added to the principal without interest.
Consider a borrower who misses five $4,000 monthly mortgage payments. The servicer will add the $20,000 in missed payments to the mortgage and reduce monthly payments by $1,000 for three years—adding another $36,000 to their mortgage. So the borrower is $56,000 deeper in debt, though with no additional interest. If he misses payments again, the servicer rinses and repeats, getting paid $1,750 every time it lathers up. The FHA also lets servicers charge borrowers legal fees—typically several thousand dollars—that are added to the mortgage principal.
The FHA made 556,841 “incentive payments” to servicers over the past year to prevent foreclosures—nearly as many as the new mortgages it insured. Government-backed mortgage relief has become a cash cow for servicers, some of which originated the risky loans they are paid not to foreclose. Moral hazard, anyone?
One result is that many FHA borrowers owe more than their original mortgage and more than their homes are worth. They are essentially trapped in their homes even if they want to sell and move.
Another result is that home prices keep increasing because borrowers who don’t pay their mortgages—and never should have qualified for loans—can’t get foreclosed on or be forced to sell their homes. Getting foreclosed on these days is like flunking out of college—it takes effort. You have to reject repeated offers for mortgage relief.
Government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac instituted similar “home retention” programs for delinquent borrowers with the Biden administration’s blessing. The cost of their mortgage relief gets socialized in higher rates charged to home buyers whose mortgages they guarantee.
Taxpayers are on the hook if the FHA insurance fund—financed by premiums on mortgages it backs—goes broke paying off borrowers and servicers to prevent foreclosures. The FHA annual report to Congress doesn’t disclose the cost of such payments, and the agency didn’t furnish them on my request. Perhaps the Department of Government Efficiency could dig into its financial books.
The Biden administration built a house of cards that could collapse if Trump officials dare to end the mortgage giveaways, as they should. Foreclosures would inevitably increase, which could cause home prices to fall sharply in lower-income neighborhoods with more FHA mortgages. More borrowers would then fall underwater, ballooning taxpayer losses, though homes might also become more affordable for people who don’t already own them.
But what a mess. And who will get blamed? Not the folks who inflated the bubble
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brokedownpalace10 said:
You need to be a member to completely access the graph you linked, but if you examine this one you will see that worldwide inflation peaked at exactly the same time.
Do you feel that the Build Back Better Act caused worldwide inflation?

www.statista.com

Global inflation rate from 2000 to 2029 | Statista

Inflation is generally defined as the continued increase in the average prices of goods and services in a given region.
www.statista.com www.statista.com
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Reading comprehension my friend, although it was in a previous post, I explained very clearly that many inflationary forces are completely out of the President's control. I can cite several books on the topic.

But this law, as you note, was passed at the exact time that inflationary forces were already spiraling out of control. Also, there is international inflation, and domestic inflation.

Why, would anyone, with one shred of common sense pass a law to make already terrible inflation worse? Notice that global inflation was shooting up for many months before the BBA, so it was just irresponsible legislation. That us exactly what the Democrats led by Biden did. They did it to buy votes.

And as stated, lets be very clear, I am not a Trump fan. However the Democrats directly caused my family over $25k in added food costs.

There are many reasons to oppose Tump, but the Democrats did, in fact, cause food prices to skyrocket. They are scum.
 
sHR00m said:
Say what you want about Trumps seemingly insane behavior. Regarding the tariffs against Mexico Trump said that was because of all the fentanyl crossing the border, yes? So what did Mexico do in response? They actually started cracking down on the cartels big time. They busted around a 113 clandestine labs within a month and they seized over a kilogram of fentanyl within the same month. I have to give credit where credit is due. Trump was right. Mexico half assed their border protection and is now doing what it can in order to avoid said tariffs.

Im no Trumpist but damn am I curious if this works. Whatever it takes to bring down the number of opioid related deaths in the US.
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The Mexican government is all cartel. These busts are fake.
 
alasdairm said:
as i said, 'better' is subjective. i disagree.



that money was appropriated by congress. not donated by biden.

i get being angry but life's too short to get mad at things that aren't even happening.

alasdair
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Lol I'm definitely not angry, but Biden who was easily worse president in history, and Kamala Harris would have been worse it's just shocking that's the best you democrats could have came up with me? Lol
 
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