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I believe SOMEONE went to great lengths to work out when Donald Trump began to use makeup. There are a few photographs in which you can see his natural skin-tone and the line above which he had employed slap. Apparently he got into it through an aquaintance who owned a brand of makeup. So it's not DHA (to the best of my knowledge).

I'm almost certain you are right - there IS a generation for whom looking tanned equates with looking healthy. I'm not of that generation and so I'm aware that tanning is simply the skin protecting itself from harmful UV-B & UV-C rays. I am aware that it was the actor George Hammilton who made tanning popular among men. If I'm remembering correctly, it was Coco Channel who, long before colour films made tanning fashionable among ladies.

I'm pretty sure you are someone who would know WHY her nickname was 'Coco' and no, it's not because she was an ardent lover of soft drinks ;-)

Makeup is certainly a much safer option. In fact, it's quite possile that Donald Trump made the conscious decision not to go down the pathway of using drugs to produce a tan. Didn't the original chemical used turn out to be toxic? I'm almost sure that the term 'melanotan-2' turns up whenever such products are mentioned. That does rather suggest that there was a 'melanotan-1' but that seems MIA.

I don't look at Donald Trump and think 'oh how vain' because as I've noted, it's the rule rather than the exception for people in the public eye to use beauty products of some sort. It merely confounds me that he doesn't seem prepared to employ a professional. I totally understand that some people feel more confident while wearing their makeup but SURELY if the makeup was of a professional standard, we may well assume he uses it but soon nobody would think of it. It's that lack of consistency that just seems... badly advised.
This is why I think he’s just like my friend who is delusional and thinking that it looks great, even though it doesn’t. Nearly everyone is delusional about something.

I thought topical DHA was pretty safe, although I have not looked into it much because I don’t like the tan look. But it’s well known for making obvious lines when misapplied so it could just as well be that as makeup.
 
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Of course we are. Humans a very rarely rational. It's something we strenulously deny but there is a huge weight of evidence showing how emotions over-rule rational thought.

Of course, Donald Trump also wears a wig. But the man is 78 years old and it's not shameful to BE that age. Age provides a host of potential benefits in the form of both life and business experience along with the whole concept that age may provide wisdom.

The colour of someone's face and the constitution of their hair isn't a basis to judge that person's abilities.
 
At least the European media who reported on the conference all appeared to agree that the speech of J.D. Vance was entirely intended for consumption by supporters of the current US government within the USA. It was a bit uncomfortable when J.D. Vance attempted a couple of jokes that were greeted with total silence.

Whatever position a person holds, if you are part of a community, it's constructive to find commonalities but destructive to focus on division. It's not unreasonable to highlight differences, but if one ONLY focuses on divisions, it's only of benefit to nations hostile to the community you are part of.

The only concrete outcome I've been able to note is that European arms manufacturers have seen a notable uptick in sales - especially on items with high pricetags and the attendent long-term support and supply of spare parts. After all, Russia has seen it's arms sales fall off a cliff. I believe India had sent back over 100 tanks (T90 varients?) for modification only to see Russia hang on to them (reputidly for their own use). While I can totally understand Russian thinking, it's likely that India is going to look elsewhere, especially in light of the fact that Russia's tanks appear to have underperformed in Ukraine and Russia.

Both the Eurofighter (UK, Germany, Italy and Spain and the Mirage 2000 (France) offer modern air supremecy aircraft (in 2023 France overtook Russia to become the world's second largest arms supplier). While it's almost certainly the case that the F35 has the best all round performance, for nations who only foresee defensive wars, both the Eurofighter and the Mirage offer certain benefits. Not least the cost and intraoprability of weapons systems. In a few years Japan will also be offering the F-X which may well prove to be competitive.

Likewise there are several European as well as South Korean and soon Japanese MBTs that are comparible.

What US manufacturers face is possible political interference in the support and spares. Given that the support is required for decades and buyers are generally risk-averse, it's problematic to buy US made weapons if politicians can, in effect, prevent such weapons from being used effectively.

I think everyone can see that the US is entering another period of isolationism. Hisorically, isolationism has always ended badly for the US. After all, the US relies of basing large forces on European soil. I really don't know how that will end but it does strike me that unaligned nations especially are the most likely to look for a source that is free from political interference.

As for the internal DOGE rationalization of the US government, it does appear that insufficient thought has gone into some of those redundencies. It's also the case that you need people with experience to train up incoming staff. That nuclear safety safety staff were mistakenly terminated is concerning. Those people were trained by the previous generations. Spending just a couple of months to understand what roles people are play and how their removal will affect institutional knowledge is a serious issue. I do understand how the Silicon Valley mantra 'move fast and break things' makes sense when dealing with consumer products, we are already witness to 'endification' AKA 'crapification' and how it ultimately results in power and resources becoming concentrated within the wealthy elite. Once a single monolithic gateway to goods and services becomes established, there becomes no need to maintain the high standards that drew people to use a given gateway.

A good example of just how serious (and costly and time consuming) loss of institutional knowledge can be would be the remanufacture of FOGBANK. The fact that nobody understood WHY manufacturers were unable to reproduce the material cost many years and many billions of $. In retrospect, even I am aware that the purity and the specific impurities found in a chemical can result in huge differences. The simplest example I can think of is a reaction that used cyclohexanone as catalyst. When researchers attmpted to reproduce the reaction decades later, they were unable to do so. It was only by careful research that establised that the presence of 2,3-cyclohexenone as co-catalyst was VITAL to the reaction. That the product was impure was actually a feature rather than a bug.

Now I can only give that example as chemistry is my field. But it strikes me as logical that before you decide if people working for the FAA are needed, you need to invest some time and effort in understanding what those people actually do. To take an extreme position, if the number of air accidents within the US double over the next 4 years, that's 4 years in which experienced staff will be retiring BUT over those same 4 years, they had nobody to pass their institutional knowledge onto younger staff members. But by the time such an analysis is possible, reversing the process would take far longer. I am not asserting this as fact, but I see no signs that any sort of assurances have been given. Essentially it appears as if the sole metric being used is price. It's not uncommon for the new owner of a large business to seek a reduction in costs. But a wise owner will first assess the value of an employee. Such slash and burn methodologies do not lend themselves to such a complex and diverse system.

It appears from the outside that the goal is to present short-term savings at the cost of increased problems in the long term. I use the figure of 4 year as that is the term of a US president.

All I can suggest is that US readers take a look at the UK. Beginning in the early 1980s the then-government began to sell off publically owned institutions from energy to public transport to basic utilities and now, it seems, to health. All of those sectors were constructed from monies taken from taxation. In essence our grandparent and our parents paid for each and every one of those services. What did we get in return? The right to buy shares in the privatized companies at a discounted price. What have we seen over the decades? Each and every service increasing it's prices ahead of inflation, a marked reduction in the quality of those services and worst of all, if and when it became apparent that a particualar service had ended up deeply in debt, they would simply liquidate the business and hand it back to the governent i.e. ALL of the profits were wrung out of a service, no investment was undertaken safe in the knowledge that being a vital service, the government had no option but to bail it out.

So if you think you will materialy gain from your government giving out 'free money', be aware that in the longer term, you WILL end up paying more. The UK screwed up totally and it seems like the US is going down that same path.

I feel the two gentlemen in the video make a reasonable point that there are many small, specialist branches of US government who are looking forwards, sometimes by decades, to identify, assess and mitigate threats against the American people. If anyone believes that US aid is provided for altruistic reasons, I think you are mistaken. Although the term 'soft power' was introduced to describe China's expansion, it's fair to say both the US and Russia have been doing similar things for decades.

It's yet another example of 'geopolitics is a complex topic'.
 
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The Belle of the Ranch video I linked up there ^^^ is rather interesting. It's regarding NATO pulling it's weight.

There has been only one time that Article 5 was invoked by a NATO member. It was the US in the War on Terror, 2001.
Our NATO allies contributed to that war when called on. Let's examine Afghanistan alone. Just some of the NATO members. The list is longer.
France contributed 90.
The UK contributed 457.
Canada 159.
Germany 62.

That's in Afghanistan alone. Now let's see, was that millions? Was it trillions? Billions?

Na, it was casualties for the countries fighting for the US. Their sons and daughters.

Not a one claiming bone spurs to get out of fighting, "like a sucker" (as Trump puts it)
 
At least the European media who reported on the conference all appeared to agree that the speech of J.D. Vance was entirely intended for consumption by supporters of the current US government within the USA. It was a bit uncomfortable when J.D. Vance attempted a couple of jokes that were greeted with total silence.

Whatever position a person holds, if you are part of a community, it's constructive to find commonalities but destructive to focus on division. It's not unreasonable to highlight differences, but if one ONLY focuses on divisions, it's only of benefit to nations hostile to the community you are part of.

The only concrete outcome I've been able to note is that European arms manufacturers have seen a notable uptick in sales - especially on items with high pricetags and the attendent long-term support and supply of spare parts. After all, Russia has seen it's arms sales fall off a cliff. I believe India had sent back over 100 tanks (T90 varients?) for modification only to see Russia hang on to them (reputidly for their own use). While I can totally understand Russian thinking, it's likely that India is going to look elsewhere, especially in light of the fact that Russia's tanks appear to have underperformed in Ukraine and Russia.

Both the Eurofighter (UK, Germany, Italy and Spain and the Mirage 2000 (France) offer modern air supremecy aircraft (in 2023 France overtook Russia to become the world's second largest arms supplier). While it's almost certainly the case that the F35 has the best all round performance, for nations who only foresee defensive wars, both the Eurofighter and the Mirage offer certain benefits. Not least the cost and intraoprability of weapons systems. In a few years Japan will also be offering the F-X which may well prove to be competitive.

Likewise there are several European as well as South Korean and soon Japanese MBTs that are comparible.

What US manufacturers face is possible political interference in the support and spares. Given that the support is required for decades and buyers are generally risk-averse, it's problematic to buy US made weapons if politicians can, in effect, prevent such weapons from being used effectively.

I think everyone can see that the US is entering another period of isolationism. Hisorically, isolationism has always ended badly for the US. After all, the US relies of basing large forces on European soil. I really don't know how that will end but it does strike me that unaligned nations especially are the most likely to look for a source that is free from political interference.

As for the internal DOGE rationalization of the US government, it does appear that insufficient thought has gone into some of those redundencies. It's also the case that you need people with experience to train up incoming staff. That nuclear safety safety staff were mistakenly terminated is concerning. Those people were trained by the previous generations. Spending just a couple of months to understand what roles people are play and how their removal will affect institutional knowledge is a serious issue. I do understand how the Silicon Valley mantra 'move fast and break things' makes sense when dealing with consumer products, we are already witness to 'endification' AKA 'crapification' and how it ultimately results in power and resources becoming concentrated within the wealthy elite. Once a single monolithic gateway to goods and services becomes established, there becomes no need to maintain the high standards that drew people to use a given gateway.

A good example of just how serious (and costly and time consuming) loss of institutional knowledge can be would be the remanufacture of FOGBANK. The fact that nobody understood WHY manufacturers were unable to reproduce the material cost many years and many billions of $. In retrospect, even I am aware that the purity and the specific impurities found in a chemical can result in huge differences. The simplest example I can think of is a reaction that used cyclohexanone as catalyst. When researchers attmpted to reproduce the reaction decades later, they were unable to do so. It was only by careful research that establised that the presence of 2,3-cyclohexenone as co-catalyst was VITAL to the reaction. That the product was impure was actually a feature rather than a bug.

Now I can only give that example as chemistry is my field. But it strikes me as logical that before you decide if people working for the FAA are needed, you need to invest some time and effort in understanding what those people actually do. To take an extreme position, if the number of air accidents within the US double over the next 4 years, that's 4 years in which experienced staff will be retiring BUT over those same 4 years, they had nobody to pass their institutional knowledge onto younger staff members. But by the time such an analysis is possible, reversing the process would take far longer. I am not asserting this as fact, but I see no signs that any sort of assurances have been given. Essentially it appears as if the sole metric being used is price. It's not uncommon for the new owner of a large business to seek a reduction in costs. But a wise owner will first assess the value of an employee. Such slash and burn methodologies do not lend themselves to such a complex and diverse system.

It appears from the outside that the goal is to present short-term savings at the cost of increased problems in the long term. I use the figure of 4 year as that is the term of a US president.

All I can suggest is that US readers take a look at the UK. Beginning in the early 1980s the then-government began to sell off publically owned institutions from energy to public transport to basic utilities and now, it seems, to health. All of those sectors were constructed from monies taken from taxation. In essence our grandparent and our parents paid for each and every one of those services. What did we get in return? The right to buy shares in the privatized companies at a discounted price. What have we seen over the decades? Each and every service increasing it's prices ahead of inflation, a marked reduction in the quality of those services and worst of all, if and when it became apparent that a particualar service had ended up deeply in debt, they would simply liquidate the business and hand it back to the governent i.e. ALL of the profits were wrung out of a service, no investment was undertaken safe in the knowledge that being a vital service, the government had no option but to bail it out.

So if you think you will materialy gain from your government giving out 'free money', be aware that in the longer term, you WILL end up paying more. The UK screwed up totally and it seems like the US is going down that same path.

I feel the two gentlemen in the video make a reasonable point that there are many small, specialist branches of US government who are looking forwards, sometimes by decades, to identify, assess and mitigate threats against the American people. If anyone believes that US aid is provided for altruistic reasons, I think you are mistaken. Although the term 'soft power' was introduced to describe China's expansion, it's fair to say both the US and Russia have been doing similar things for decades.

It's yet another example of 'geopolitics is a complex topic'.
I’m not American, nor am I a supporter of the current administration or any recent US administration, and I thought it was a pretty good speech. Not a huge fan of Vance‘s personal choices in some arenas but I think he’s a good speaker and he seems intelligent.
 
Trump says Canada and Mexico tariffs are ‘going forward’ with more import taxes to come

in a related press conference he said "...i blame our leadership for allowing it to happen. you know, who can blame them if they made these great deals with the united states. took advantage of the united states. on manufacturing. on just about everything. who would ever sign a thing like this?"

who indeed?

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alasdair
 
Well, the article notes that tarrifs tend to reduce trade and increase prices which I did suggest a while back.

You simply end up with a trade war and I've yet to see an example in which a trade war between developed nations works out well for any of the parties.

I've not found an example in which prices to the consumer didn't increase and reciprocal tarriffs on other products cost as many jobs as the tarrifs were intended to create.

I see Donald Trump seeks isolationism but developed nations tend to compete via high technologies rather than on simple inputs.


I can only presume that Elon Musk is banking on the sale of Tesla's steeply rising in the US but I'm uncertain if China will make use of the export control it placed on rare earth metals. While there are certainly rare earth metals in many nations, setting up large mining facilities takes years and investors will only do so if that initial cost can be recouped over decades. If they are forced to recoup over shorter periods, the prices obviously have to be higher.
 
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Well, the article notes that tarrifs tend to reduce trade and increase prices which I did suggest a while back.

You simply end up with a trade war and I've yet to see an example in which a trade war between developed nations works out well for any of the parties.

right.

you need to tell business expert and stable genius trump :)

alasdair
 
I suppose tarriffs SOUND impressive until you actually look at past examples. No mention of Tarriffs on China, the nation that exports the most to the US and has done for over two decades.


China has begun to stop exporting the technology to exploit raw earth metals. That makes sense as it's going to slow down any US efforts to become self-sufficient. If they yanked rare earth metals (as their export control allows) it could be very bad news. Since China is America's largest trading partner, they ARE in a position to make bad stuff happen quickly, but so far they haven't even been mentioned in tarriffs. I do know they make steel and aluminium.
 
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