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Recovery The 2022 alcohol support thread

RC-Lover123 said:
Can you offer a pharmacological explanation for the effectiveness of strain switching? Varying amounts of mitragynine and 7OH-mitragynine?
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It's not relating to mitragynine or 7-OH, every strain has quite similar levels of those 2, it has to do with the various other lesser alkaloids.

I can't explain the details as kratom is still quite understudied. I can only give you my and others anecdotal experience. It's well known to kratom heads and is referred to as Stagnant Strain Syndrome.

In fact switching to a new kratom strain is one of my favorite days of the week for this reason.

I really don't like buying bulk, also, for this reason. I typically only buy 1-4oz at a time.

It's not a huge effect, when you switch the new strains feels about 20-30% more potent for a day or two and then it feels regular again. But for me it's very noticeable.
 
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RC-Lover123 said:
Strain switching is BS in my opinion. The active compound is Mitragynine, period. You could just as well be "drink switching" from Whiskey to Vodka to not become an alcoholic, which obviously won't work all that well. 3-4 teaspoons should be 15g or so, which is fine. I was teaking four heaped tablespoons and more per day, which ruined Kratom for me.
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Yea....Id be nauseated as fuck and walking sideways taking that much 😵
 
Nurse Ratched said:
You stuck with the water last night, right?

Have you had your caffeine intake for the morning? Have any Excedrin on hand?
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Yeah stayed sober and have no plans to drink tonight either, and had coffee.

I only at like 600 calories yesterday it feels like one of those headaches. Just stress, lack of food and sleep.
 
that's the fucked up part about alcohol, it gets to a point where you drink so you don't feel guilty about drinking... which is completely ass backwards and makes 0 logical sense

I can't think of any other drugs that made me do that.

It's like if you felt bad for murdering someone, so you go out and murder more people to make yourself feel better, and that's essentially what you're doing, just murdering yourself over and over.
 
That's a really good analogy. Depressing but accurate

I'm feeling physically shit from it all too, yet here I go again
 
Not so, not so my friend, don't be afraid to start in on another 12 step program, I'm sure you'll be welcomed with open arms in AA. You know what they say, "newcomers are the lifeblood of the program". I've heard many an old timer say that, but then again I learned AA the traditional way (since relapsed).
 
The Axe said:
Well there's always marriage counseling, maybe it will give your wife a chance to "dig deep" into her issues (maybe even appointments without you) while you "dig in" to those AA meetings.
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I've been suggesting we talk it out with a professional for years.

When you say you're not an alcoholic, and I'm saying this as gently as I can, but I think you're in denial about your alcoholism and (rampant) drug use, sir.
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I'm not sure if this is a joke?
I didn't even describe my drug use.
It's not anywhere near rampant.

I used to score heroin on the street from randoms and inject it until I started collapsing veins. Now I smoke a bit of weed. I'm not in denial about my "rampant" drug use.

I might be an alcoholic. It's confusing. I don't know. I've had major problems with alcohol in the past... but I've also had major mental health problems. I drink because I'm depressed, I think, not because I'm an alcoholic.

I don't like the term alcoholic. I want to fix the depressive core inside me rather than just repressing my desire to drink forever. I've been to AA in the past, many times. It's kind of depressing.

They want me to say I'm powerless. I'm not powerless.

I'm not perfect, but I'm not powerless.
 
chinup said:
ah right, well, carry on then. ngl i too am partial to the odd pipe of crack.

i was kinda hoping you would say no. not that it would stop you, cos even when i recognise that i drank (my main problem now) on a feeling and the drinking didn't help, it doesn't stop me.

so used to north americans on here that i didn't twig you would actually be from london, like proper london. i am from manc and its actually macmillan i was thinking of. i'm glad you lady is great.

do get yourself some support. i used to do 12 steps, i like some of their ideas but since i lost my clean time and wasn't immediately prostituting myself for crack and picking up needles from the floor again, i realised that clean time != recovery. now i do buddhist stuff, or try to. but i'm out of my meditation groove. you could try SMART? i would suggest drugs services, i had actually useful group therapy (who knew that even existed?!?!) through cgl, but they've used covid as an excuse to go to shit completely. maybe if you have an option other than cgl down there could be worth a look?
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I’m from MCR too, not far from the airport. Had a 5 day binge of roughly 30 units a day. Paying the price the past 36 hours since my last drink. I’ve probably only just metabolised the booze. Had a night of broken sleep, one period of 2 hours straight, but then waking up profusely sweating, I made sure I had a fresh bed to sleep in last night but that’s basically gotta be changed again due to the sweat. I’m 2 months off methadone, my doctors gave me zopiclone and diazepam that started 7.5 and 15mg daily then brought down over 5-6 weeks. I’ve struggled mentally, was doing a lot of AA but then got terrified once off the benzos so started isolating and have used. My dream upon waking to write this was my mother basically saying “I know you’ve been drinking, I’m so disappointed” I will tell her, but in a couple of weeks, there’s a big wedding approaching and I don’t want her worrying.
 
x2theC said:
I’m from MCR too, not far from the airport. Had a 5 day binge of roughly 30 units a day. Paying the price the past 36 hours since my last drink
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first, always lovely to meet a fellow manc. second, 30 units a day is a fucking rough time, well done for getting 36 hours. were you able to stay clean and sober will still on the methadone? if so would it be worth considering going back on it? are you getting any help apart from AA?

totally get not wanting your mum worrying, especially if there's other stuff coming up that's going to be stressful.

i've done well this week but then drank last night on the logic that i won't get to drink over the weekend cos i'll be with my mum. a bit hungover but only got a half day in work so i'll survive.
 
How an alcoholic learned to drink like gentleman: short version. I relapsed because my second wife talked me into it and I proceeded to drink through getting married, fathering two sons, and through the death of my mother and father (I was the stay at home child in our nuclear family). At some point I got a moment of clarity and knew I was done, then I thought to to myself: yeah right, weren't you the genius who thought this all up? And you want sympathy? Look it up in the dictionary it's between shit and syphilis. So I got out of the car, walked into my liquor store, bought my usual drink, and drank it on the drive home as usual - despite having well over 200 blood pressure by that time. I kept on until I got the proverbial shits and shakes and one day called my wife and told her I thought I might have a heart attack. She told me she had to pick up the kids from school and would be right over. The four of us tromped on down to ER, one kid sobbing, the other heaving, and I got an overnight Ativan drip and directions to the rehab center, which I already knew, thank you very much. What followed was a year or so of heavy benzo and psychedelic use (abuse?) and lots of psychiatric support.

Then came the heavy lifting, it's very hard to put into words, but the way I tripped it, I set up on a nice whistler wave in earth's atmosphere and went as fast as I could straight down into the Earth, and FRACTURED (in more ways than one). It took well over a year of rest and light work to recover to start feeling like I'm "a real human being for once in my life".

Anyway, I'm drinking Coors light and Sauza Plata - pairs nice with San Pedro. I'm hoping I can go natural and take less psychiatric meds.

And what you know I'm gonna do - I'm going walk into an AA meeting and tell 'em I'm an Alcoholic who just happens to drink like a gentleman, maybe gentleman being the key word here.
 
Has anyone ever experienced jaw tension/pain related to alcohol? New symptom for me. May be unrelated but I suspect it's the alcohol. Google says it can cause it :shrug:

I have a dentist appointment in a few weeks anyways.
 
Are you dating anyone? Definitely can cause jaw clenching and your neck muscles to turn about as solid as stainless steel.

I just figured out if I go back to AA and tell them I drink like a gentleman, I still have to work the steps just like any other alcoholic. Well, you learn something new everyday, huh?

In fact I have a somewhat disciplined system of exercise, walking, yoga, muscle isolation, fluid drinking, peeing, using other substances as needed to avoid overdrinking, and following through the next morning as soon as I wake up, not drinking, but THINKING ABOUT DRINKING.

I had 2 beers today, would of had 3 but the wife, you know, harm reduction.
 
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