US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

[birdup.snaildown]

In some states there's a only a few thousand difference.

I don't think so. The smallest margin is Arizona (11,000), followed by Georgia (15,000) then Wisconsin (20,000). That's not a few thousand. Recounts only change the vote by hundreds. Biden would have to lose all three of these states plus Nevada (another 34,000) or North Carolina (another 66,000).

That's a total of 80,000 votes, minimum.

It's also not possible to do a Nevada recount because the margin isn't close enough.

Each state has laws about margins and recounts. Depending on the state, there needs to be less than either 0.5% or 1.0% for a recount to be allowed unless there is strong evidence of fraud. The margin in Nevada is 2.4%. The margin in North Carolina is 1.3%.

 

[dalpat077]

I don't think so. The smallest margin is Arizona (11,000), followed by Georgia (15,000) then Wisconsin (20,000). That's not a few thousand. Recounts only change the vote by hundreds. Biden would have to lose all three of these states plus Nevada (another 34,000).

That's a total of 80,000 votes, minimum.

It's also not possible to do a Nevada recount because the margin isn't close enough.

Each state has laws about margins and recounts. Depending on the state, there needs to be less than either 0.5% or 1.0% for a recount to be allowed unless there is strong evidence of fraud. The margin in Nevada is 2.4%.

Gimme a minute i.e. need to check the specs. of my lazer printer (page per minute)! Lol! Pretty sure given a week or so and enough toner I'd be able to turn those states easy!

 

[dalpat077]

If you have a complaint about how this forum is moderated, feel free to take it up with senior staff, an admin, or TheLoveBandit, who is an owner of the site and Trump supporter. Or post a complaint in Site Technical Help. Thanks.

Thank goodness for that! When I saw the notification come up and it was you posting I thought "oops" and "not again". Phew.

I have a feeling though that you and the other mods. are going to be real busy when America wakes up though. Should be fun watching some Liberals/Democrats getting a spanking?

 

[cduggles]

Thank goodness for that! When I saw the notification come up and it was you posting I thought "oops" and "not again". Phew.

I have a feeling though that you and the other mods. are going to be real busy when America wakes up though. Should be fun watching some Liberals/Democrats getting a spanking?

You should know your options about concerns with moderating, and where the appropriate places are to discuss them. That information is important for every BLer to know.

I’m sure I don’t know what you mean otherwise.

 

[dalpat077]

You should know your options about concerns with moderating, and where the appropriate places are to discuss them. That information is important for every BLer to know.

I’m sure I don’t know what you mean otherwise.

Yip. Nothing to worry about from my side. My work is done here!

 

[dalpat077]

The president has a responsibility to all Americans. Not just the smart ones, not just the ones who voted for them.

It is breaking that responsibility to make statements that you know ahead of time will result in Americans dying or being injured.

And if the president didn't know his comments would cause that, then that simply means it's an incompetence problem rather than a negligence problem.

Alright, well, I’m almost done.

America is, apparently, the most litigious country in the world right? Well here’s some lateral thinking: anybody who lost somebody due to them injecting or ingesting bleach or hand sanitizer should sue the networks (and that should include all the late night talk show hosts who joked about and played their part in perpetuating that nonsense). Maybe that would have taught some of them a lesson. And I’m talking criminal prosecution here i.e. not some slap on the wrist fine that they can laugh off and pay out of petty cash. And the civil suits could follow. Sounds like a plan to me. Better call Saul!

 

[JessFR]

Alright, well, I’m almost done.

America is, apparently, the most litigious country in the world right? Well here’s some lateral thinking: anybody who lost somebody due to them injecting or ingesting bleach or hand sanitizer should sue the networks (and that should include all the late night talk show hosts who joked about and played their part in perpetuating that nonsense). Maybe that would have taught some of them a lesson. And I’m talking criminal prosecution here i.e. not some slap on the wrist fine that they can laugh off and pay out of petty cash. And the civil suits could follow. Sounds like a plan to me. Better call Saul!

Wtf. The networks may have misrepresented what trump said, but it's that he said it at all that's the problem.

The problem would have been the same even if the networks had accurately reported what trump had said.

 

[Deru]

Wtf. The networks may have misrepresented what trump said, but it's that he said it at all that's the problem.

How? Trump suggested to Birx to look into using sun or disinfectants on the “inside”.

 

[JessFR]

How? Trump suggested to Birx to look into using sun or disinfectants on the “inside”.

Yes. But that isn't the same as "trump tells people to inject bleach". And I have seen headlines and media articles say more or less that. And that is deceptive.

No not every news or media outlet was deceptive or equally deceptive. But I have definitely seen descriptions of what happened that made me feel like I was being deceived in contrast to what actually happened if you watch it first hand.

EDIT: unless you're asking how it's a problem that trump made that suggestion in which case it's for the reason I said earlier. Saying it at all was a foreseeable risk to the health of idiots.

And even idiots shouldn't be told to hurt themselves by the president.

 

[Deru]

I would say the only thing that could be argued, if the entire context of his comments on Bleach, sun, and disinfectant prior to addressing Birx (which he later lied and said he was sarcastically asking reporters -- totally false) is that he was questioning whether doctors could inject disinfectants or sunlight into the body. But, he never specifically said that, as Trump never specifically says anything but talks in dizzying garbled circles, and it would have been easy enough for people to interpret it as internal sunlight or disinfectants could be used to treat Covid-19. He was confused, for sure, but it sure doesn't make sense to speculate about anything like that during a live press conference to the entire nation during a period of time where everyone is already scared and potentially desperate enough to do anything possible to prevent becoming infected.

 

[dalpat077]

Wtf. The networks may have misrepresented what trump said, but it's that he said it at all that's the problem.

The problem would have been the same even if the networks had accurately reported what trump had said.

Well if the latter part is true then you cannot blame Trump so back to square one! This particular argument you’re not going to win either way.

On a lighter note: I was a step ahead of him anyway. When this crap first started I tested the inhalation of a fine mist of 70% alcohol way before his QUERY in that news conference. So it wasn't that big of a joke to me (his QUERY that is). Just made sense to me.

I can now just feel the vibes coming down the line i.e. "well there you go then i.e. just another Trump/Republican redneck". Well check the link out. I've now missed two callings in life it would appear i.e. POTUS or a GP! Lol!

New Treatment for COVID-19 Using Ethanol Vapor Inhalation . - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

New Treatment for COVID-19 Using Ethanol Vapor Inhalation . - Full Text View.

clinicaltrials.gov

 

[Deru]

So it wasn't that big of a joke to me (his QUERY that is). Just made sense to me.

Thanks for stepping up to prove my point @dalpat077

 

[dalpat077]

Thanks for stepping up to prove my point @dalpat077

Alright. Fair enough. I walked straight into that one. No: I would not have injected bleach or alcohol! Even if Vladimir Putin said it was a possible cure to possibly be investigated!

But really. Do you want to tell me that if Trump said jumping off of a bridge should be investigated as a possible cure for COVID that people would have done so? Alright and fair enough: in my country three quarters of the population would have tried it I'm sure. But not in America. Please tell me not in America!

Whatever the case: the guy was thinking out of the box and was misreported on purpose and those networks have departments full of people fact checking stuff and they knew what they were doing at the time you can be sure. And, well, here we (you) are today now (due largely in part to the lot of them).

 

[mal3volent]

@dalpat077 do you think you might be the #1 trump supporter in all RSA?

 

[dalpat077]

Thanks for stepping up to prove my point @dalpat077

Wait a minute. I just looked at my post on this again. My words "Just made sense to me." was in reference to my alcohol mist experiment. My words "So it wasn't that big of a joke to me (his QUERY that is)." were in reference to his thinking out of the box at the time.

Yes I know. The above typical Trump/Republican doublespeak. Have fun with it! Lol! Damn I would have made a great politician!

And just for the record (and so that I don't get sued):

My alcohol mist experiment was just that i.e. an experiment for fun. I never had COVID and it didn't cure anything as there was nothing to cure. If you do try it and it goes pear shaped: sue the CDC not me! I thought I'd better make this clear before some or the other Liberal/Democrat gives it a bash!

 

[dalpat077]

@dalpat077 do you think you might be the #1 trump supporter in all RSA?

Maybe. Not sure. Probably. Who knows.

But just to clarify (which I've attempted to do today in the nicest possible way):

I'd support anybody that has the intention of making America great again. Obama did his part as did President Clinton. In my humble opinion of course. Unfortunately: the Democratic party you're now dealing with has become a shadow of its former self in the last four years. And there'll be no going back on that one. If these results hold there's no way you're putting the genie back in the lamp. Not democratically anyway (remember those words).

How's that for a curveball!

 

[alasdairm]

The economy isn't everything.

indeed. there's a saying along the lines of "we shouldn't measure financial success by how the wealthiest americans are doing" or such. i am remonded of the cartoon (which i can't find) of ahomeless guy trying to get warm by wrapping himself in newspapers trumpeting how the economy is booming!

i wondered how the markets reacted to news of joe biden's victory. ap called the election for biden on november 7th.

dow on monday november 9th: 29158
dow today: 29931
increase: 2.65%

alasdair

 

[dalpat077]

indeed. there's a saying along the lines of "we shouldn't measure financial success by how the wealthiest americans are doing" or such. i am remonded of the cartoon (which i can't find) of ahomeless guy trying to get warm by wrapping himself in newspapers trumpeting how the economy is booming!

i wondered how the markets reacted to news of joe biden's victory. ap called the election for biden on november 7th.

dow on monday november 9th: 29158
dow today: 29931
increase: 2.65%

alasdair

Not to be argumentative about this one. But I've been in and out of the business (more in than out) since 2000. The stock market no longer represents value or reality but is sentiment driven and nothing else. And it's been like that for a good few years now. The Dow, S&P, and NASDAQ will keep going up until reality sets in and the frivolity is over. It is what it is and certainly no gauge of the economy anymore (and to be honest this in spite of Trump using it to score points).

 

[Deru]

Whatever the case: the guy was thinking out of the box

I’d say that’s an accurate assessment. The problem is that, if that’s the president of the United States’ best shot at thinking out of the box, during a live press conference to the nation no less, that could only show the trajectory we were on in the course of his handling of the pandemic.

I’m not saying the president needs to have a medical degree, I’m just saying it’s a good indicator of where Trump’s intelligence actually lies (and possibly an even bigger indicator of his inability to sense social norms and values that should be important to him and the rest of this country.). But, I suppose if he could, he wouldn’t be Trump, and apparently a lot of people in the US (and elsewhere) value that about him.

I’d end this with pushing the boundaries are essential for us, as a species. But, there’s a time and place for everything, and those press conferences were supposed to be presenting facts to our country, they weren’t meant to be a brainstorming session on seriously questionable and harmful treatments.

 

[alasdairm]

Not to be argumentative about this one. But I've been in and out of the business (more in than out) since 2000. The stock market no longer represents value or reality but is sentiment driven and nothing else. And it's been like that for a good few years now. The Dow, S&P, and NASDAQ will keep going up until reality sets in and the frivolity is over. It is what it is and certainly no gauge of the economy anymore (and to be honest this in spite of Trump using it to score points).

pretty much my point. we agree.

alasdair