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US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

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I have a sneaking suspicion it’s not going to be calm and smooth, that’s for sure.
 
I’d say it greatly depends upon how close the results turn out to be.
 
AutoTripper said:
Actually I heard that taking the annual flu shot has the potential to dramatically weaken your defences against the coronavirus. there is Mercury as well as many other toxic chemicals and questionable ingredients
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Just because an element is dangerous, doesnt mean its presence in something indicates toxicity. Chemistry is complicated. Not to mention the incredibly small amounts compared to eating one meal of certain seafoods
 
This could go in a few different threads, so I put it here.
Kushner to Woodward in April: Trump is "getting the country back from the doctors"

Senior White House adviser Jared Kushner bragged in an interview with Bob Woodward on April 18 about Trump "getting the country back from the doctors," in reference to the lifting of coronavirus restrictions, according to audio obtained by CNN.

Why it matters: Trump has campaigned on a message of "opening up" the country after lockdowns designed to curb the spread of COVID-19 in the spring resulted in widespread economic disruption. But some health experts have criticized states for opening up too fast, leading to a second and third surge of coronavirus infections as Election Day nears.

Between the lines: Trump has faced criticism for attacking his own health experts, including top infectious-disease expert Anthony Fauci, who he has called a "disaster." At a rally earlier this month, Trump said that his opponent Joe Biden would "listen to the scientists," and that it would result in more economic restrictions.

Driving the news: Woodward conducted two separate interviews with Kushner in April and May for his new book, "Rage."

  • On April 18, after the White House released guidelines for reopening, Kushner told Woodward: "There were three phases. There’s the panic phase, the pain phase and then the comeback phase. I do believe that last night symbolized kind of the beginning of the comeback phase."
  • "That doesn’t mean there’s not still a lot of pain and there won’t be pain for a while, but that basically was, we’ve now put out rules to get back to work. Trump’s now back in charge. It’s not the doctors. They’ve kind of – we have, like, a negotiated settlement," he added.
Kushner went on to say that he viewed it as "very smart politically" for Trump to put much of the responsibility for responding to the coronavirus on governors — a decision that has since prompted significant criticism.

  • "The states have to own the testing," Kushner said. "The federal government should not own the testing. And the federal government should not own kind of the rules. It's got to be up to the governors, because that's the way the federalist system works."
  • "But the President also is very smart politically with the way he did that fight with the governors to basically say, no, no, no, no, I own the opening. Because again, the opening is going to be very popular. People want this country open. But if it opens in the wrong way, the question will be, did the governors follow the guidelines we set out or not?"
The big picture: Kushner also called the Republican Party, "a collection of a bunch of tribes" and said Trump essentially did a "full hostile takeover" of the party when he became the presidential nominee back in 2016.

  • He told Woodward that the "most dangerous people around the president are over-confident idiots," and that Trump had replaced them with "more thoughtful people who kind of know their place."
Go deeper ... Trump's testing czar: COVID surge "is real" and not just caused by more tests
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I think that hundreds of people were left in the freezing cold and several had to go to the hospital after a Trump rally really highlights Trump’s indifference to people.
 
Deru said:
I think that hundreds of people were left in the freezing cold and several had to go to the hospital after a Trump rally really highlights Trump’s indifference to people.
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I forget exactly where I saw it, but I was watching some interview with someone from the trump campaign asking about the safety of Mike Pences rallys, and I was quite amused when the guy starts talking about how safe it is for Mike pence.

Naive me had assumed the question was more about the safety of everyone else. The people who don't get immediate world class experimental medicine as a precaution.
 
Deru said:
I think that hundreds of people were left in the freezing cold and several had to go to the hospital after a Trump rally really highlights Trump’s indifference to people.
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somehow, someway it was CNNs fault. Not Trump's.
 
Let’s discuss Fox News dedicating an article to this:

Trump deserves 2nd term even though he’s a ‘wretched human being,’ newspaper says
Joe Biden 'would be worse,' a Washington state newspaper says
By Dom Calicchio | Fox News

In an endorsement published this week, a Washington state newspaper said it agrees with President Trump’s critics that the commander-in-chief has numerous faults – but that doesn’t mean Trump doesn’t deserve a second term.

“We recommend voting for him anyway,” the Spokesman-Review of Spokane wrote Sunday about the president, “because the policies that Joe Biden and his progressive supporters would impose on the nation would be worse.”
The editorial described the 2020 presidential election as a choice between “a wretched human being [Trump] whose policies and instincts for helping America thrive are generally correct,” and a “doddering, doting uncle [Biden] who would hand out gifts the nation can’t afford in order to win people’s love.”
“Given that choice,” the endorsement, written by publisher William Stacy Cowles, concluded, “economic policy and principle should prevail. Vote for Donald Trump.”
NEW HAMPSHIRE NEWSPAPER BACKS BIDEN, FIRST DEMOCRAT FOR PRESIDENT IN 100 YEARS
In making his argument, Cowles listed what he called “Trump’s offenses.”
President Trump has undeniable flaws, a Washington state newspaper editorial says, but Joe Biden's progressive policies would be "worse" for the country.
“He panders to racists and prevents sensible immigration reform in a nation built on immigration labor and intellect,” he wrote. “He tweets conspiracy theories. He’s cavalier about COVID-19 and had led poorly through the pandemic. He seeks to dismantle the Affordable Care Act without proposing a replacement. He denies climate change.”
But Cowles also argued that the policies of Biden, should he win the presidency, “would strike at the economic well-being of the country.”

Biden “favors massive growth in government and a historic increase in federal spending through green initiatives, free health services, free education and other ideas grounded in reliance on the state as savior rather than creating an environment in which individual liberty and hard work can thrive,” Cowles wrote.
“Public employee unions would hold outsized power and demand greater spending,” he continued.
“To afford it all,” he added, “Biden and a Democrat-controlled Congress would have to impose unprecedented tax increases or accept catastrophic deficit spending.
“Taxes and spending likely would increase under Trump, too, but the nation stands a better chance of moderation and reform with him in the White House than it does with Biden pushed left by progressives intent on reshaping America to fit their fantastical vision.”
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The Spokane paper’s endorsement of Trump appeared the same day that the conservative New Hampshire Union Leader broke a century-long tradition by endorsing a Democrat for the White House.
“President Trump is not always 100 percent wrong, but he is 100 percent wrong for America,” the Union Leader wrote.

Biden, meanwhile, may not be the president we want,” the newspaper claimed, “but in 2020 he is the president we desperately need.”


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Trump deserves 2nd term even though he’s a ‘wretched human being,’ newspaper says

In an endorsement published this week, a Washington state newspaper said it agrees with President Trump’s critics that the commander-in-chief has numerous faults – but that doesn’t mean Trump doesn’t deserve a second term.
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Man if trump does somehow pull this off I fear for his safety. The entirety of the establishment wants him gone. The military industrial complex, China, Hollywood, the media, Silicon Valley, 95% of DC, basically every influential facet of the neo liberal establishment needs him gone. I pray this election is fair, but I’m not too hopeful. What bums me out the most will be seeing China regain the power they lost and the new wars that will start once Biden in installed. I’ve been modding the Trump subreddit and posting As a pretend liberal to turn off moderates, for the past two years. I’ve done literally all I can do. Guido and I have also fought the culture wars on FB as well. I also did some local campaigning for him in a blue county nearby. I super nervous for nov 3rd
 
alasdairm said:
#trumpliedpeopledied

alasdair
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We should have just fought a war on Iran or DPRK.

Deru said:
I think that hundreds of people were left in the freezing cold and several had to go to the hospital after a Trump rally really highlights Trump’s indifference to people.
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Trump supporters couldn't afford warm clothes?

Cry me a river.
 
w01fg4ng said:
Did you know that "any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the president of the United States" is a federal felony?
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I know there are a lot of libertarians and other conservatives here who strongly believe in the 1st Amendment...just wondering how far some here would take that...
 
It’s not against the law to express my concern for trumps safety hun. He could be the last president ever that isn’t owned by the establishment, we need him for four more years to hopefully get rid of more of the swamp creatures that push wars for profit, central banking, and the erosion of our rights tbh
 
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