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making america great again by trampling citizen's rights? :\
He didn't restrict their right to protest. But are you saying they should deny Trump's right for freedom of speech and to visit a church?
The protesters had to step aside because you and I both know what would happen if Trump tried to walk through that group of "peaceful protesters".
You just would love to see Trump beaten down by a mob so you misrepresent the situation and ignore context to try and make him look bad.

what a fucking baby.
TBF previous polls said Trump had a 2-10% chance of winning in 2016.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing now what they did then - fabricating polls in an attempt to shape public opinion.

@alasdairm I have a question for you. I don't expect you to answer but you have been a very vocal critic of racism in the past.
After watching this campaign ad, would you say that Joe Biden is more or less racist than Trump?


Apparently what America is now... With the riots and people dying by the hundreds of thousands and an economy in ruin is great.
Blame Democrats and globalists.
Country wasn't doing too badly before corona-chan hit but Dems are actively prolonging the suffering and causing more chaos to try and hurt Trump at the ballot.
 
The mayhem in the US these last 2 weeks is the culmination of the Establishment's 4 years of 'Resistance' against Trump, who they know they cannot defeat in a fair election - at least, not until they heavily stack the cards against him. Trump did NOT take the bait this time by clamping down hard on the rioting (despite saying that he would), so he lives to fight another day.

The Establishment's strategy, while diabolical & illegal, is a smart one. Even if they 'fail' to oust Trump before November, they still 'gain' by convincing sufficient numbers of people - they hope - to give up or 'submit' and vote for their candidate for the sake of ending the instability - the instability they have generated.
 
making america great again by trampling citizen's rights? :\

You say it like he has a corner on the market

An alarming number of people are losing their jobs at the moment – or being suspended from them, pending investigations – because they've criticised some aspect of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Freedom of speech, unless you don't like what the person says, I suppose.



At what point does MSM get held accountable for misleading the public and who calls them to account. I agree the office of the President should not be the one. But, in our case, the person in that office deems it worthy of his time

what a fucking baby.

No argument from me on that.
 
You say it like he has a corner on the market
that he is doing it doesn't mean it's not happening elsewhere...

but this is the trump thread and i'm using it to highlight his disregard for rights.

misleading the public
you're suggesting the poll result is fabricated, fake or otherwise misleading? can you help me understand how?

alasdair
 
it's a completely different poll.

can you speak to the accuracy of the specific poll which precipitated by the action by the trump campaign and help me understand how the method used to gather the data was flawed?

thanks.

alasdair
 
He didn't restrict their right to protest. But are you saying they should deny Trump's right for freedom of speech and to visit a church?
The protesters had to step aside because you and I both know what would happen if Trump tried to walk through that group of "peaceful protesters".
You just would love to see Trump beaten down by a mob so you misrepresent the situation and ignore context to try and make him look bad.
Or Trump could of just of not done the photo op; there was no conceivable reason to do it. He didn't even make a speech while there; just held up a bible long enough to get a few good photographs. There was no proof that group burned the church down also it didn't burn down. There was a small fire in the basement.
People aren't saying that the violent protesters aren't real or are not a problem the issue is that Trump used to military forces on protesters that weren't being violent so he could make a campaign ad. He could of used all that federal man power to protect businesses from looters or track down extremist leaders/agitators; instead he used them to help him get a photo of him holding up a bible he's never read in front of a church he's only been to once or twice. The Arch Bishop never denied Trump the right to worship at her just she just didn't want it being used as a campaign prop.

During times of crisis a president is supposed to speak to the nation not be a cheerleader to his base.

I don't believe that most cops are racist and think most are good people who try their best to help the community but the the mistrust is very real.

I believe its progress that in allot of cities cops and protesters are having an open dialog and even marching along side each other. Nice to see that in my area considering our history of issues.

Trump will only end up dismantling that progress. Trump Was really looking forward to finishing up is first term bashing liberals on his stand-up tour; he never wanted to have to deal with any serious presidential issues.
 
Alasdairm I will take your refusal to answer as admitting that Biden is more racist than Trump.
So if you vote for Biden then you don't actually care about whether a candidate/leader is racist as you've vociferously claimed over the years - you just want to seize power for your political party by any means necessary.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm sure that you've come to the conclusion to vote for Biden based on your individual, independent thinking and personal research.

Or Trump could of just of not done the photo op; there was no conceivable reason to do it. He didn't even make a speech while there; just held up a bible long enough to get a few good photographs.
I agree actually, it didn't seem like a good idea and more potential to inflame tensions. As someone of faith there would be a conceivable reason to do it, but do I think Trump is a person of faith? Possibly, but unlikely (he mostly serves the Zionist agenda - part of which is the manipulation of Christians). He apparently held the Bible upside down which I don't know if it was a mistake or a symbolic message.

There was no proof that group burned the church down also it didn't burn down. There was a small fire in the basement.
Don't know if it was them but there seems to have been an attack against the church. Also this is nothing new, there has been a spate of church attacks and churches being burned in the recent years. Very little media attention, zero public outrage, however if it was mosques or synagogues being burned then of course we would hear non-stop about all the racism and white supremacy. Another one of the many examples of leftist hypocrisy - at their core they've been brainwashed into hating Christianity specifically but protecting other religions (the ones which ironically are less favorable to them).

People aren't saying that the violent protesters aren't real or are not a problem the issue is that Trump used to military forces on protesters that weren't being violent so he could make a campaign ad.
I thought he used National Guard or something which are not military. And the fact is he has the right to clear a path to go to the church if he wants to. He's not violating those protesters' right to protest. They just had to temporarily get out of the way then they can continue to protesting. They're just being babies and as usual desperately clinging on to anything they possibly can to make Trump look bad.

He could of used all that federal man power to protect businesses from looters or track down extremist leaders/agitators; instead he used them to help him get a photo of him holding up a bible he's never read in front of a church he's only been to once or twice.
I agree with you here. However I don't know Trump's angle with regards to tracking down domestic extremists. He might be hesitant due to making the wrong move or because this is a larger agenda which involves many higher-ups in the government, he may be powerless to do anything and could at this point simply be a part of ushering in what's planned.

During times of crisis a president is supposed to speak to the nation not be a cheerleader to his base.
Trump has abandoned a large segment of his base. There are many of his die-hard supporters who ignore reality and still trust him due to psy-ops like Qanon pumping them full of hopium but this might actually bode well for the Democrats come November.
While I still think Trump will win I'm less confident than before.

I don't believe that most cops are racist and think most are good people who try their best to help the community but the the mistrust is very real.
Agree

I believe its progress that in allot of cities cops and protesters are having an open dialog and even marching along side each other. Nice to see that in my area considering our history of issues.
It's a shame really because this could actually be a positive movement. I am completely on board for police reform and more cordial relations with the public however I think these themes are being hijacked and manipulated by a more nefarious agenda whose goal it is so sow division and chaos.

I thought conservatives had progressed a little , but that sounds like straight up "love it or leave it" GWB era bullshit.
Love it or change it using the proper channels.
If you wish to rip it up or replace then yes - you can fudge off to another country with a better system.
Try living under communist rule for a while.
Also I'm not conservative lol is shitting on the constitution now an official liberal policy?
 
So if you vote for Biden then you don't actually care about whether a candidate/leader is racist as you've vociferously claimed over the years - you just want to seize power for your political party by any means necessary.

either that, or he's choosing the lesser of two evils and making a judgment call based on the specifics of their policy proposals going forward.
 
either that, or he's choosing the lesser of two evils and making a judgment call based on the specifics of their policy proposals going forward.
That would be fair enough but then I'd like to hear the specific reasons why.
Because if you've droned on about the president being racist for 4 years - and saying that is a reason why he's unfit for the presidency - and then youvote for someone who's more racist.... well that just invalidates a ton of what you've said previously. And that's why someone here refuses to answer the question. I'd respect it more if they just said "Yeah Biden is more racist than Trump but I'm still voting for him for other reasons such as (insert stupid reason)".
 
That would be fair enough but then I'd like to hear the specific reasons why.
Because if you've droned on about the president being racist for 4 years - and saying that is a reason why he's unfit for the presidency - and then youvote for someone who's more racist.... well that just invalidates a ton of what you've said previously. And that's why someone here refuses to answer the question. I'd respect it more if they just said "Yeah Biden is more racist than Trump but I'm still voting for him for other reasons such as (insert stupid reason)".

maybe it would be a stupid reason to you but everyone has different opinions. I think it's perfectly valid to say, if nothing else, "I want Trump gone because he is too polarizing. Sure I don't agree with Biden on everything but at the very least things will be more stable and I think that will benefit the world". Regardless of whether you believe the polarization is caused by the Dems or Trump himself, you could rationally think, "I have the ability to change the equation/dynamic, and that's what I want to do".
 
The protesters had to step aside because you and I both know what would happen if Trump tried to walk through that group of "peaceful protesters".
You just would love to see Trump beaten down by a mob so you misrepresent the situation and ignore context to try and make him look bad.

This is quite an assumption. The people were (peacefully) protesting police brutality. And then they were brutalized by police, under an assumption they would become violent. Gee, it's almost like the very thing the protests are about in the first place.

Also it was a photo op, don't you think someone who cares about the people would maybe, I don't know, not do a photo op, instead of tear gas and flash grenade a peaceful protest so he could do said photo op right then? A president should support the rights of the people to peacefully protest, and prioritize that over a photo op. Maybe that's just me though, I'm known to be libtarded. It's probably all the drugs...
 
maybe it would be a stupid reason to you but everyone has different opinions. I think it's perfectly valid to say, if nothing else, "I want Trump gone because he is too polarizing. Sure I don't agree with Biden on everything but at the very least things will be more stable and I think that will benefit the world". Regardless of whether you believe the polarization is caused by the Dems or Trump himself, you could rationally think, "I have the ability to change the equation/dynamic, and that's what I want to do".
If that's the case then racism is not part of the polarization.
Because if you're honest you have to admit that Biden is more racist than Trump.
Let's be real though isn't it funny that racism isn't as bad when it's a Democrat doing it?
Remember all tne outrage from the Left after VA Gov Northam was caught in blackface and a KKK hood? Yeah, me neither. Imagine if it was a Republican.
Double standards exist. And racist Biden is further exposing that.

I want trump gone because he is unfit to run a McDonald's, let alone America.
See that's objectively not true because Trump has had 515 successful companies under his brand with only 6 bankruptcies. He is by definition a successful businessman.
But you do believe that Trump is unfit to run American - is one of those reasons him being racist?

This is quite an assumption.
It's a very accurate assumption.

The people were (peacefully) protesting police brutality. And then they were brutalized by police, under an assumption they would become violent. Gee, it's almost like the very thing the protests are about in the first place.
But they were still allowed to protest peacefully, just not at that exact spot and at that exact time. They were a danger to the president (and cut the shit - they were).
Like I said I don't agree with Trump doing that photo op but it's not like he was violating people's rights. He has the right to go somewhere safely. If you disagree then you don't actually care about individual rights, you just hate Trump.

A president should support the rights of the people to peacefully protest, and prioritize that over a photo op. Maybe that's just me though, I'm known to be libtarded. It's probably all the drugs...
Yeah look I agree with you in principle. But I don't agree with these protesters I think they're mindless zombies - plus according to them we're allegedly in a pandemic so they shouldn't even be protesting outdoors in the first place.
 
But you do believe that Trump is unfit to run American - is one of those reasons him being racist?

I wish.

I think Id rather have a racist president (assuming that's their only flaw) than trump.

No as I've said before trump is unfit because he's a narcissist who's incapable of recognizing the bounds of his authority, knowledge or competency.
 
So how come he was correct about hyrdroxychloroquine and "experts" like CNN had to eat crow?

Why does the media have to lie so much to try and make him look stupid?
 
HAPPY BIRTHDAY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DONALD TRUMP!

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