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US Politics The 2020 Trump Presidency Thread

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lol. I wonder how you'd react if the headline was "President Barack Obama only paid $750 in taxes in 2008 and 2009!"

Actually I don't wonder, at all. You'd be slavering with anger, and undoubtedly manage to throw 3 or more of the following angry catch phrases into it for no apparent reason: Muslim brotherhood, black supremacist, pedophile, homosexual
Nope. Anyway Obama cannot avoid taxes as he is not a businessman just a failed community organiser and a failure of a President almost as bad as G.W. Bush, and the most corrupt President ever.

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The powers that be figured out that they can continually fuck over the working class population, slowly eroding our quality of life, keeping minimum wage the same while the cost of living raises astronomically, giving all ourt tax dollars to the corporations and wealthy instead of to social services and infrastructure which is the entire purpose of taxation in the first place, as long as they can blame the loss of standard of living on something else. And immigrants/immigration is one of the most commonly-used scapegoats.

"Listen up people, we realize that year by year, things are getting worse for you, and we know why, too, it's the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HERE TO TAKE YER JERBS, but don't worry, we'll lock them up, kidnap their children, and deport those gangbangers and lazy freeloaders, just you wait and see, give me another 4 years and things will be just like our propaganda says it was in the 50s"



Absolutely agreed that we need to close the loopholes.


Do you think that, with the ever increasingly exposed corruption in the American system, it will have an easy time righting her helm?
 
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Not really since the corruption is deep that anything exposed is just fall men going down. Its the entire political system and only a massive revamp would change things adopting a political system like other western countries where minor parties get seats etc power is more shared. Democrat's and republicans are both very sore losers and refuse to sign anything the other party has even if its a good idea as a fuck you to them.

Plus the state of the people not just america but in the world. A majorty of people in this world are narcists who only care themselves self and will only vote for whatever policy they think will better their life instead of the greater whole of the country. A country is a reflection of its people aswell if a country is a shithole then the people are probably shitheads deep down even with rampant corruption because that how society raised the people to be to only look out for themselves dividing the country and failing to propel it forward.

The western world reflects the work of the people and shit hole countries the reflect of the people who will mass murder rape and pillage each other.

America is a hard working country and go it where it is today because of that hard work and belief in been the greatest but along the way rich people took advantage of it and the ease of business while propelling the wealth of america along as whole at the expense of the lower and middle class.
 
The powers that be figured out that they can continually fuck over the working class population, slowly eroding our quality of life, keeping minimum wage the same while the cost of living raises astronomically, giving all ourt tax dollars to the corporations and wealthy instead of to social services and infrastructure which is the entire purpose of taxation in the first place, as long as they can blame the loss of standard of living on something else. And immigrants/immigration is one of the most commonly-used scapegoats.

"Listen up people, we realize that year by year, things are getting worse for you, and we know why, too, it's the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HERE TO TAKE YER JERBS, but don't worry, we'll lock them up, kidnap their children, and deport those gangbangers and lazy freeloaders, just you wait and see, give me another 4 years and things will be just like our propaganda says it was in the 50s"



Absolutely agreed that we need to close the loopholes.
These are not immigrants or people emigrating to the USA legally, they are invading North America the way Africans, Arabs, and Levantine people have invaded northern, western, central, southern, and have invaded some Eastern European countries.

Obama deported a record number of illegal immigrants and illegal migrants and separated trafficked children from their family members or whoever trafficked them into the USA.

IF people want to emigrate, do it legally.

Lets see: kids in cages!! oh noes!

Detention centers getting $700 USD per night per kid from the government.

Well which is it? I posted about the very attractive centers I saw on TV.

They truly DID look like a high end kids' summer camp.

The kids were never in cages. They were in gigantic caged areas as they were being processed in. Then they went to the plush colorful dorms with TVs, video games, toys galore, nutritious food, medical/dental care, education, and dining halls. $700 a day folks.

I guaran dam tee that 99% or more of those kids thought they had died had gone to heaven once they cleared in processing and arrived in one of the spanking new air conditioned dorms. Considering many were living in tar paper shacks, and one or two room cinder-block homes without air conditioning, malnutrition, no medical/dental care, no education, poverty like you have never imagined the dorms seemed like the Ritz Carlton to the illegal migrant children and adults.
 
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at least 50% of americans don't give a shit about mexicans so thats why nobody draws up enough outrage and attention about people been locked in cages.
Have you ever been to rural Mexico, Guatemala, or Honduras? The detention centres are 1,000x better than the living conditions in these countries. They literally are third world shitholes, and people who emigrate legally to North America never return to live in their original country as the country and living conditions are that bad.

People complain about racist and brutal police and corrupt politicians in the USA, but it is nothing compared to the Super corrupt governments and actually brutal and systemic racist police in all countries in central, South America, and latin America.
 
but bad things happen in other places is not a defense, it's a deflection.

and when your argument is they're not cages... they're caged areas you've basically conceded the argument about children being separated from their parents and incarcerated in the first place...

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These are not immigrants or people emigrating to the USA legally, they are invading North America the way Africans, Arabs, and Levantine people have invaded northern, western, central, southern, and have invaded some Eastern European countries.

Obama deported a record number of illegal immigrants and illegal migrants and separated trafficked children from their family members or whoever trafficked them into the USA.

IF people want to emigrate, do it legally.

Lets see: kids in cages!! oh noes!

Detention centers getting $700 USD per night per kid from the government.

Well which is it? I posted about the very attractive centers I saw on TV.

They truly DID look like a high end kids' summer camp.

The kids were never in cages. They were in gigantic caged areas as they were being processed in. Then they went to the plush colorful dorms with TVs, video games, toys galore, nutritious food, medical/dental care, education, and dining halls. $700 a day folks.

I guaran dam tee that 99% or more of those kids thought they had died had gone to heaven once they cleared in processing and arrived in one of the spanking new air conditioned dorms. Considering many were living in tar paper shacks, and one or two room cinder-block homes without air conditioning, malnutrition, no medical/dental care, no education, poverty like you have never imagined the dorms seemed like the Ritz Carlton to the illegal migrant children and adults.

This post disheartens me greatly because I know how many Americans share this outrageously out of touch view. Other than the ridiculousness of your suggesting that detained people and separated children are getting treated to a life of luxury that they're enjoying, rather than being traumatically imprisoned and separated from each other at the end of an extremely long and dangerous journey away from everything they have ever known and all of their worldly possessions, where if they are caught and sent back, they often face murder as retribution for leaving, I want to point out the irrelevance of the "do it legally" argument. A quick perusal of the .gov site with the information about the immigration procedure indicates that without having a family member who is already a legal citizen, and/or having a pre-existing work arrangement where an American company specifically requests you by name, it can take 10, 15, even 20 years to even get a visa. Many illegal immigrants are fleeing violence and terror, from an environment where there are wanton murders, constant gang violence, and their male children are press-ganged into the cartels. To expect them to somehow legally apply at all (how does a destitute common person from a third world country even go about understanding how to contact the appropriate offices and engage in the application process?), let alone to apply and wait patiently for years to maybe get a visa to legally enter the country... it's unrealistic and extremely callous of basic human dignity and simple compassion for the suffering of others.

To anyone who thinks to use the "there are legal channels, they should use those, law-breakers get what they deserve" argument against immigration, could you please actually honestly address this post? Put yourself in their shoes; seriously, what do you expect? What would you do? Do you mean to tell me that if you and your family lived in a place where the cartels are in control, you're living in poverty, in constant fear of death, knowing your kids are going to be pushed into the lifestyle in order to survive, and the only chance you know about to escape is to try to sneak into America, simply for the ability to work hard to be able to live a decent, peaceful life... are you telling me you would try to apply and hope you get picked in a lottery where only a tiny fraction of the people waiting to get in are selected every year, and sit there and hope everything goes well in the meantime, knowing that if you ever get in, your kids might already be grown (or buried)? Or would you, just maybe, take the chance and try sneak in? Be honest.

Are there some people who try to abuse immigration? Undoubtedly, yes. But victim blaming refugees while you're sitting pretty in your privileged status of being born as a US citizen just doesn't sit well with me.

You know what, I figured it out! Those damn immigrants should have been born in America. That would have solved all their problems, they really should have thought of that before they decided to be born in a shithole country. :rolleyes:

I have debunked the pie in the sky narrative of legal immigration being a viable option numerous times in here, including to you before, but of course no one ever actually addresses these points because if addressed, it makes it a lot harder to blame the illegal immigrants and essentially relegate them to criminals deserving of their fate. I expect you to give this an "omg I'm laughing so hard my head is sideways" post reaction. Nevertheless, I will try again, for the possible benefit of someone else reading this who hasn't already made up their mind beyond the reach of reason and compassion.
 
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Don't know what you are talking about man. This is not a plush dorm with TV LOL. Good food? They are sharing watered down kooliaid at best.

Find me one picture of these fancy dorms with TV, video games, and carnival rides like you say?



 




You must be a Trump supporter. Am I wrong?
 





I would imagine the minority made it there. If they made it through. They are holding so many, most are in horrible conditions. That is also over 1 year old, I am sure covid changed that place...
 
Priest is a "moderate" who just so happens to parrot every piece of right-wing propaganda that exists
Nope. 😂 I am an independent/moderate and as I wrote I do not like any political party in any country.

I view both parties in the USA as being the same as they have been for the last 50 years but not in my parents' and grandparents' generations.
 
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