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Election 2020 The 2020 Candidates: Right, Left and Center!

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the wrong way to do it is by attacking and bullying people who dare to disagree with you because honestly, the nerve of them having different opinions and viewpoints, what fucking assholes
Except noone is attacking and bullying. I simply claimed that the post in question is bigoted against AOC.

People often take personal offense to a critique that includes the words "racist," "sexist" and "homophobic" because if they don't understand it they feel guilty by association and might translate that critique as a personal offense such as being called a "fucking asshole".

Really people in general are too sensitive about the words "racist," "sexist" and "homophobic".
 
So I can see how you could interpret it as racist and sexist ("why doesn't this woman of color support a woman of color", though that's not exactly what he said, he said a woman, or a person of color, so it could be racist OR sexist by your argument, or both), but how is it homophobic? Real question.

The reason people are sensitive is because the words get overused. I'd rather they get overused than underused, but overusing them waters down their real meaning. There are people truly victimizing and hating other races, genders, sexual orientations, etc, it really is still a problem. But if you call anything even vaguely resembling a lack of total understanding and acceptance in every way the same thing as aggressive bigotry, then a huge swath of people who don't yet have a total understanding and acceptance, but are on their way, are turned off to the whole idea and start to side with people saying that liberals are crazy and there isn't really a problem.

I stand by my assertion that Andy isn't being racist or sexist (or homophobic) with this post. He's just being an idiot. In fact I would wager he is specifically trying to rail against the very things you say he is being, but he's showing a lack of understanding and he's falling in with the mob mentality of identity politics instead.

I think identity politics is a natural outcome of the place we find ourselves in, where society is attempting to really address underlying inequalities. But it's still important to see the ways in which it damages the narrative and critical thinking of the public. Choosing a candidate based on group identity is a dangerous standpoint to make, but it can be made based on an oversensitivity to bigotry/racism/sexism/etc as well as based on actual bigoted beliefs.
 
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By his own words, a black lesbian should be sufficient enough for a pick from AOC.

This would cover all three at once; racism, sexism and homophobia
 
No, he seems pretty racist to me. By the way I only ever said I wasn't sure because I hadn't seen enough. I'd be more convinced if you addressed my points instead of trying to find ways that I was wrong in the past.
 
No, he seems pretty racist to me. By the way I only ever said I wasn't sure because I hadn't seen enough. I'd be more convinced if you addressed my points instead of trying to find ways that I was wrong in the past.
But I was addressing your points. You claimed it should only be used for "people truly victimizing and hating" and I'm simply trying to find out where you draw the line.

I've shown you mine, now show me yours ;)
 
I'm not sure where to draw the line exactly, but it's before the sort of post that precipitated this discussion. I mean, I draw the line, really, at intent I guess. I realize you can't always tell what someone's intent is, but my interpretation of the intent of Andy's post is that he's saying "why wouldn't someone with AOC's clout choose to support someone in an oppressed group if she has the chance? She could help push for equal rights". I think it's wrong for the reasons I explained. But I don't think he was trying to be a bigot, I think he was trying to push against bigotry, in a failed way.

I think trying to reduce complex human intentions in a complex time into black and white this or that groupings is not productive or helpful, or what we need to get through these problems as a society.
 
Fair enough, but just a glance at his page has me dry heaving.

His bio:
Political junkie. Writer/blogger. Supports female filmmakers. Candy man. UNBLOCKED by DJT 8/28/18; blocked by Jr, Ivanka, Eric, Cohen

>60k followers

This is why I don't use twitter.
 
I think it's pretty racist and/or sexist to hold AOC to a special standard because she's a woman of color. In other words, saying the candidates she supports must mirror her own identity or else she is somehow hurting the very communities she's a part of.

Meanwhile a white man is open to support whoever they want, with no worry of "omg if I don't support (insert gender, race, orientation here) I might be viewed as a sellout (for lack of a better word)"
 
they're gonna keep reaching and making shit up to try to stop the inevitable. the last thing capitalists want is someone directing the legislature to stop passing laws handed directly to them pre-written by corporations and to stop funneling public money to billionaires

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that's why his entire support base supports him. his message and platform has been the same his entire political career, he's always been progressive and wanting the best for everyone

there is no doubt about his character, integrity, or intentions
 
that's why his entire support base supports him. his message and platform has been the same his entire political career, he's always been progressive and wanting the best for everyone

there is no doubt about his character, integrity, or intentions

Unless you buy into the right rhetoric where he's somehow a hypocrite for having made himself a nice chunk of money by writing a book that sold well. Even though he's never tried to say people shouldn't be able to become ordinary amounts of wealthy (and they also don't believe people shouldn't be able to become wealthy through their own work).
 
Unless you buy into the right rhetoric where he's somehow a hypocrite for having made himself a nice chunk of money by writing a book that sold well.

bad faith arguments should be relentlessly mocked as the stupid bullshit they are. participating in society does not diminish or take away your right to criticize it and desire better lives for everyone

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