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Election 2020 The 2020 Candidates: Right, Left and Center!

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Captain.Heroin said:
if he cared so much he should be paying them at least what I earn per hour. And my job is severely easier than what they do for him.

He truly doesn't give a fuck IMO

it's the same hypocrisy "make me do the right thing" just do it. Right?

But I totally loved your post because you have a great point.


qft ^

I still knew most/all of the facts and still choose to think of Sanders as knowingly underpaying his employees and trying to skirt away from the facts coming out, just like Trump, which doesn't bode well with me. I thought about leaving the country when Trump got elected I WILL HAVE TO LEAVE if Sanders gets elected.
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Sanders will SAY ANYTHING just to become president. He's a millionaire socialist hahahaha. Thats hilarious! He wasnt even paying his employee's what he wants the minimum wage to be hahahahaha!! Ohhh the hypocrisy.
mal3volent said:
The barkeep got a baseball bat from under the bar and politely told the patron that these were the principles the group agreed to. He said they all got together and voted by the tens of millions in a democratic election to choose a leader who represented their values. That leader formed a government and passed laws to reflect the values of their constituents.
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The patron left that Beta Male bar and went to a REAL one next door. Where REAL Americans go and understand that nothing is free... and that if you want something, you work for it.
 
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w01fg4ng said:
I enjoyed the debate. Although I couldn't get this image out of my head, whenever Bullock stepped up to the plate.

Does anyone know who's up to bat tonight?
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Kamala Harris, the Chosen One, HRC 3.0, sassy corporate centrist. My guess is she will have another AMAZING PERFORMANCE
 
mal3volent said:
Get over it.
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We won't. We want jobs, not our bills payed for us. We want more hours and benefits. I don't need free healthcare, my college loans paid, or anything. Just give me a chance to do it myself.

"Compassionate society" enables people to turn into breeding machines on other people's dimes. How do you think we got to 7 billion people on planet Earth? None of this is compassionate.
 
p.s. the more I hear about "trump is racist, america is racist, water is racist everything is racist" from the dems the more I see Trump winning and the more I probably would vote for him over a Democrat if there weren't 3rd party options. :\

Why do we need to close a wealth gap? Fix the god damn economy. Fix the god damn ecology of Earth with a Hillary-like clean energy plan. MY GOD what are the Dems doing? Reparations aren't going to happen. The far-left is too obsessed with race. It's like they think of Michigan, Wisconsin as DC. The black vote won't defeat Trump. THE DEMOCRATS ARE TOTALLY IGNORING THE ISSUE OF ELECTION REFORM DURING AN ELECTION RUN-UP and this disgusts me. THAT would enable EVERYONE to vote, eliminate voter suppression in areas where you KNOW it happens. Ugh.

White ppl think they know how to help black ppl WHY NOT HELP US ALL OUT DAMN IT. Hillary knew what to do. Trump is somehow doing better than some of what I'm hearing from the far-left. Why would a white person feel confident in fixing the racial divide? That's insane. "I'm part of the problem, let me fix it".... ugh, yeah, right... that's like a boss saying "Hey I cut your pay and hours, but let me tell you also you're not doing your job right".... really?

Fix planet earth. Answer the damn question Warren and let me know if my vote would be wasted on you or not. Not everything is a race issue and if it was Trump would have never been elected! Do you think people cared if Trump was a racist? No. They wanted lower personal income taxes: something that could EASILY HAPPEN if Dems just gave it to them! Wow!

Dems throw away another election in '20 I won't be surprised.
 
How about we lift those people above the line with a living wage?

With a $15 minimum wage there would be a lot more income tax being collected.

Also those people already do pay taxes, on anything and everything they buy. You know. The sales tax. That pays for police, firefighters, schools, roads, and more.
 
Im at work and haven't had a single call. If I were you guys, id start preparing for the Apocolypse. Because something is seriously wrong.
 
mal3volent said:
So in reality the workers' expectations were to be paid $15/hr AND have their platinum level health insurance paid for as well. Not simply to be afforded the federal minimum wage that Bernie has proposed. If all Sanders' policies were to come to fruition, employers would be more able to facilitate the $15/hr because they WOULDN'T HAVE to provide health insurance.
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Stepping aside from the specific Bernie staff issues, I have a query on the last sentence. If all Sanders' policies were to come to fruition, how would that health insurance be paid for? Rather than the direct payment we have today, carried by a mix of the employer and the employee, would it not be paid via taxes collected either from the employer, the employee, or a mix of both?

I get your point of the employer being able to afford the higher base salary if direct benefits were eliminated by being covered by the gov't. But does not the same parties end up still paying for these benefits...or perhaps they'd be 'rights' at that point...through taxes? They still pay, just indirectly, with the gov't getting a cut to manage the whole thing.

mal3volent said:
How about we lift those people above the line with a living wage?

With a $15 minimum wage there would be a lot more income tax being collected.

Also those people already do pay taxes, on anything and everything they buy. You know. The sales tax. That pays for police, firefighters, schools, roads, and more.
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I suppose they would.

mal3volent said:
he barkeep got a baseball bat from under the bar and politely told the patron that these were the principles the group agreed to. to go back where he came from
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FIFY ;)
 
mal3volent said:
How about we lift those people above the line with a living wage?
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Could easily be accomplished if the clean energy Hillary plan moved forward, plus take away a stupid "college/health care for all" and put that money into clean energy jobs. Save the earth and get people employed. 2 birds one stoner. OMG SO RADICAL BUT HE DIDN'T ADDRESS BLACK INEQUALITY = not elected.

:|

Give them jobs. They need employment. Give them quality government jobs in a clean energy sector, in fixing our infrastructure. Things Trump PROMISED AND FLOPPED ON!
 
mal3volent said:
With a $15 minimum wage there would be a lot more income tax being collected.
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EWWW... what so the feds can waste all that $$$ on the military? On the border wall? On NOT taking care of DOH issues like Zika, AIDS, Ebola?

The feds CANNOT BE TRUSTED with money. They will waste it. It will do NO GOOD.

You haven't addressed why individuals should have to pay a personal income tax, whatsoever, in a justifiable way to me (but that's OK because that's a tall order and I doubt anyone could do that for me).
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Stepping aside from the specific Bernie staff issues, I have a query on the last sentence. If all Sanders' policies were to come to fruition, how would that health insurance be paid for? Rather than the direct payment we have today, carried by a mix of the employer and the employee, would it not be paid via taxes collected either from the employer, the employee, or a mix of both?

I get your point of the employer being able to afford the higher base salary if direct benefits were eliminated by being covered by the gov't. But does not the same parties end up still paying for these benefits...or perhaps they'd be 'rights' at that point...through taxes? They still pay, just indirectly, with the gov't getting a cut to manage the whole thing.



I suppose they would.



FIFY ;)
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Yes, the employees and employers would still pay slightly higher taxes. At the same time, the employer would be free from an expense exponentially larger than his small increase in taxes. Huge net positive.
 
mal3volent said:
Fix planet Earth...Trump 2020? You're losing me Cap.
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The Dems are more concerned with BLM, wealth inequality, than they are saving the earth/ecology. They made ecological issues a race issue. Somehow. I was bewildered how water is racist but, I guess it is. I guess it's not brown like coca cola so it's racist. *shrugs*

HILLARY addressed global warming. She had a great plan. NO ONE followed her suit. No one. Gee, I wonder why, it's like 20+ democratic candidates are all on the Trump Train payroll to throw the election by making this out to be a pedantic exercise in educating Americans on racism. :|

To me, reparations are just as bad as paying off college debt. Both are terrible plans. Biden is like the only centrist Democrat running other than the no-name white guys who no one's going to vote for anyway.

ALL THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DO is get Biden in office and then start pushing the far left agenda AFTER. Just pretend to be centrist. PRETEND, please? For me? Biden can have secret meetings with Harris, Warren, all the other Dems who wanted to be president and let some of that shit hit the fan and we'll slowly tip-toe our way into being like Venezuela instead of diving head first in, ok?
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The Dems are more concerned with BLM, wealth inequality, than they are saving the earth/ecology. They made ecological issues a race issue. Somehow. I was bewildered how water is racist but, I guess it is. I guess it's not brown like coca cola so it's racist. *shrugs*

HILLARY addressed global warming. She had a great plan. NO ONE followed her suit. No one. Gee, I wonder why, it's like 20+ democratic candidates are all on the Trump Train payroll to throw the election by making this out to be a pedantic exercise in educating Americans on racism. :|
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Have you actually read any of the proposals Bernie has to address climate change? I fail to see how they're less effective than whatever half ass plan Hilliary had.
 
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