According to the ACLU which has been involved in litigation against the government for this issue
If similar things were happening under Obama and there was no litigation leveled against him, then it's simply a political attack (unfortunately using innocent kids as political fodder).
It is not just illegal border crossers, but asylum seekers going through the proper channels as well. There are many sources which support this besides the ACLU page.
I've also got a source showing that Trump signed an EO which kept families together. Do we agree that this happened and do we agree with that EO? Or do we still blame Trump even though he's taken action to keep families together?
For example, one four-year-old child, “Luna,”
was separated from her father for nearly 10 months before they were reunified in Guatemala on Sept. 28.
OK so this case is a good example. The man didn't take his daughter through a point of entry he went to an illegal crossing point. Therefore it was understandable for the agent to suspect he may have been a trafficker and they must be separated. I would agree that they should have been re-united quicker but this shit takes time due to sheer numbers and he should not have taken his daughter to make that trip in the first place. It's too dangerous. He obviously wasn't seeking asylum either because Guatemalans are granted asylum in Mexico. He simply wanted to get into the US illegally - now whether you agree with this or not is a different story. But if that's someone's closet stance and they argue against "family separations" I find that very disingenuous.
Can you imagine how traumatic it would be if you were 5 years old, and you got separated from your parents in a confusing and frightening way, where you could see how upset they were, and were then held in some detention facility for 5 months? For a year? That's forever for a young kid, do you remember being that young? That is fucked up and it's not just happening to illegal border crossers, it's happening with legitimate asylum seekers. That is way over the line unnecessarily traumatic to children. That kind of trauma affects children for their whole lives. And many of their parents did what you said they should do, seek asylum through the proper channels. Why couldn't they detain the families together while they figure out whether to grant them asylum?
Well I'd like to know the % of asylum seekers that are separated from BOTH parents and the details of those cases before I make sweeping assumptions and blame the President solely for these situations. But yes I agree with not separating kids for extended periods (more resources could quicken this process).
Yes I agree, for sure. We are partly to blame for this whole problem in the first place. Which is why I believe we have a right to provide compassionate help to people fleeing the war-like conditions we have helped cause. We are not doing that right now, or at least not nearly well enough. I do not understand why you would detain adults and their children separately when they're seeking asylum, it doesn't make sense to me.
It's a tough issue because you want to disincentivize parents from risking their child's safety by doing something as silly as that, while also not punishing the children too harshly in the process.
As for knowing “fuck-all”, speak for yourself.
Have you been to the detention centers? Spoken with border guards? You do know fuck-all. You're trying to downplay the reality of child sex trafficking across the border.
And I’m arguing family separation is an inhumane practice, not about whose policy it is.
Do you at the very least differentiate between the separation of families, and separating children from traffickers while they verify their identities? What's the solution?
And you’re all over the map with your arguments.
Not really, I stand by those comments.
But I always wondered who would argue for family separation, and it’s definitely a difficult position to argue, much less argue well.
lol, ok if you need to consistently misrepresent someone's argument in order to push your agenda-driven ideology go head. But I've said repeatedly that I'm against separating asylum seekers from both parents.
It would be nice if you would admit that you're for open borders (if that's indeed the case).
www.aclu.org
thehill.com
