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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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This is the worst presidency ever. Nobody has done more to push away all our allies and isolate us than this president. He is undoing almost 75yrs of international cooperation, which America has always played a big part in leading. Now the whole world no longer respects our values, has faith in our leadership and they no longer trust our role in the influence of world wide economics. Our own allies are trying to come up with a new currency to replace the dollar in world wide trading. They now see the instability in the United States as a liability. These tariffs are disastrous.

I am afraid this president will destroy our country in the inconceivably short time of 4yrs. No way can we endure another term. I am not even partisan nor political. I am actually sympathetic to most conservative ideals. I plead for everyone to turn up and vote, so we can get this fool out of office.

There is a reason the kremlin supported Trump and other right wing nationalist elections. They want to erode allied partnership and NATO. The Ides of March is coming our many enemies are waiting for us to stumble and fall and it is not just 'Merica but all our allies. As the pendulum swings the world will feel the shift.
 
I actually feel like most of the world understands that he is basically a fluke. I think everyone is waiting it out, hoping nothing truly terrible happens for another year and four months or whatever. Our government as an institution has gotten really bent but has not yet fully broken.

Our allies and enemies alike still see this as a temporary thing. Like the parents went on vacation and left little Donnie Home Alone...but the parents will be back soon.

Now if we elect him again, that's when the real problems will begin.
 
Yes absolutely agreed. If he gets elected for a second term it will erode worldwide confidence in us far more than it did the first term. Because for real, what the fuck is wrong with us if we vote for Trump again? The damage is clear and evident, the only people who don't see (or admit) it are staunch Trump supporters who are so wrapped up in political tribalism that they've become blind. This whole thing is a terrible, unfunny joke to the rest of the world. A joke that has unfortunately started to have very real consequences for us and our allies.

You can't credit the stock market and unemployment rates to Trump (which is generally the main argument supporters have for him these days, that and they're scared of immigrants and like the "build the wall!" rhetoric). The great Recession hit in 2008, and under Obama it recovered and reached much higher than it has ever been before. Trump inherited that, but it has since stagnated. Which is probably unevitable after a spike, but he hasn't done anything to strengthen it. He has weakened our position internationally... the tariffs are absurd and destructive. Unemployment rates were also already on the decline before he reached office. Like anything in government, changes take time to propagate, both positive and negative. If a president inherits a good situation, they can do a terrible job and it will superficially still look good, for a while (this is what is happening now).


At this point I have completely moved past the distractions of his personality. His personality is not why I disapprove of him. It never was the core of it but yes, the MSM has been ridiculous and has done a lot to destroy the validity of the opposition due to focusing way too much on his personality/personal life and making it seem to others that people just focus on stupid, insignificant stuff. Yeah I find it distasteful that he pays off porn stars with hush money and pays them for sex in the first place while his wife is giving birth to their child. But all sorts of great leaders have rather sketchy morals in their personal lives. That shit doesn't matter. If he was a good thing for the country, I would be down. But he's not, very demonstrably not. It is frightening to think of the ripple effect of what he's already done and/or allowed to happen (he's far from the only destructive person in the government, in fact he's basically mostly the guy who those people could finally just totally exploit to push their fucked up agendas). I have no idea whether he purposely aided Russia, probably not honestly, he's just a great patsy because he is in debt to Russia and easily manipulated. there is no doubt that the instability that has occurred in our government and our position on the world stage benefits Russia's agenda. As well as China's.

He has undermined and allowed others to undermine environmental protections that have been hard-fought and have been crucial for us. He has helped to undermine hard-fought civil rights, especially by his appointment of judges at various levels of federal courts, especially the supreme court. He totally blundered North Korea. The list goes on. My biggest complaint is either the world stage stuff or the environmental stuff, I can't decide which is worse. It was the environmental stuff by a longshot for a while but now it's less clear.
 
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I just hate whoever CNN or MSNBC tells me to hate. America IS one of the greatest countries with some terrible past. We act like slavery was an all American thing and dont give our culture enough credit. We have come a long way. We cant let the news and the politicians lead this fake revolution they are trying to create. I stand by Donald Teunp, hes an idiot, but hes the right idiot for the job. I wish people would quit watching the news and giving into the identity politics. We are going mad. I love my people on the right as well as the left. The reason they want to deateoy Trump is because he isnt giving into this new world order BULLSHIT.
 
GodComplex said:
I just hate whoever CNN or MSNBC tells me to hate. America IS one of the greatest countries with some terrible past. We act like slavery was an all American thing and dont give our culture enough credit. We have come a long way. We cant let the news and the politicians lead this fake revolution they are trying to create. I stand by Donald Teunp, hes an idiot, but hes the right idiot for the job. I wish people would quit watching the news and giving into the identity politics. We are going mad. I love my people on the right as well as the left. The reason they want to deateoy Trump is because he isnt giving into this new world order BULLSHIT.
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I'm sorry but I cannot endorse Trump whatsoever. I am a registered Republican. I don't watch the pundits. I cannot name one single correct move that Trump has made in any single policy, whether foreign or domestic. All of them have been disastrous. His character and personality are atrocious. I stand by my comment. Worst President ever!! By a long shot.... I used to be someone, who was afraid of and spoke out against "New world Order". I am now a lot older, pragmatic, open minded and I am able to see the importance for America that these alliances and global outreach provide. We are can no longer go back to nationalist or isolationist approach. It is way to dangerous and impractical. Once again.... There is a reason our enemies would like to see our alliances broken.
 
GodComplex said:
hes an idiot, but hes the right idiot for the job
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LOL, I can see this being his 2020 campaign slogan.

somnilicious said:
His character and personality are atrocious.
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Same can be said for many other world leaders, even past Presidents, some of who remain revered. Though, I'll concede, I doubt any 'popular' ones have reached Trump's level of 'atrocious'ness.
 
somnilicious said:
I'm sorry but I cannot endorse Trump whatsoever. I am a registered Republican. I don't watch the pundits. I cannot name one single correct move that Trump has made in any single policy, whether foreign or domestic. All of them have been disastrous. His character and personality are atrocious. I stand by my comment. Worst President ever!! By a long shot.... I used to be someone, who was afraid of and spoke out against "New world Order". I am now a lot older, pragmatic, open minded and I am able to see the importance for America that these alliances and global outreach provide. We are can no longer go back to nationalist or isolationist approach. It is way to dangerous and impractical. Once again.... There is a reason our enemies would like to see our alliances broken.
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I definitely feel you on that. Cooperation is important, that's a fact. I used to be a pretty major conspiracy theorist myself. I dont think theres one group in charge of the whole world, but I acknowledge the reality of many competing groups, which are not nation states. We need integration at a certain level.

I'm not sure where you are from, but in Canada we have a PM who is over-stepping on many levels to please his UN buddies, he is intentionally making our local industries susceptible to foreign influence. He gets votes by doing a lot of virtue signaling, especially with native Americans. He doesnt actually do anything for them. He just says he recognizes them, and says sorry. It's pretty disheartening that people just follow the "leaders" that go out of thier way to make themselves look like good people. They aren't genuine most of the time. They play with peoples emotions. Theres a lot of things I cant agree with Donald Trump on, but we cant pretend the media isnt creating the division and distortion of truths. As a Canadian I consider myself pretty American, so I refer to America as "this country" sometimes.

One thing I do like to think about regardingmy conspiracy theorist days is the quote, "the new world order wont be forced, people will demand it". Not far from the truth. The centralization of power is scary. Never know who that torched will be passed to. Get ready for a permanent non-transitional two class system. At least with money have that tiny chance of transcending poverty.
 
How do you feel about his environmental policies? I suppose it depends on how you feel about environmental issues, another thing (like basically everything) that has been ultra-politicized.

Never know who that torched will be passed to. Get ready for a permanent non-transitional two class system. At least with money have that tiny chance of transcending poverty.
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From where I stand, the Republicans, including Trump, with the tax plan he/they rolled out, combined with shifting more and more money away from social aid programs and education directly to the wealthy and corporations, and attempting (and failing) to undo the one piece of legislation attempting to address the health care costs crisis, consistently are the ones trying to widen the division between the rich and poor. I'm not getting that from CNN. It's just the facts of what's happened. I think both parties are compromised which is why I'm not registered as either one. But the Democrats are at least making an attempt to spend taxpayer money on taxpayers and not exclusively on the military industrial complex and the already wealthy.
 
In regards to the CNN comment. That is a generalization and was not directed at you. Sorry.

Shadowmeister said:
How do you feel about his environmental policies? I suppose it depends on how you feel about environmental issues, another thing (like basically everything) that has been ultra-politicized.
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Nothing is more important than the environment. I dont feel much about his policies. They are shit. They dont exist.
Humans need to have growth (cultural, technological, somewhat economical) in thier countries for that to even be possible, something that is being stunted by taxation, especially where I live. We rolled out a carbon tax program 3 years ago in my province. The money was redistributed essentially. It went to the politicians, businesses and organizations of thier choice. They even built a plastic pellet plant with it..

Nothing is wrong with helping the environment, but lining pockets of politicians doesnt work. They say they wont touch the money, but as soon as election time comes they bail out the media and use the carbon tax as a slush fund to bash other politicians.


The problem is there is competition and people still love war. We need to help the environment, but when it's at the risk of turning the country into a weak one it will become venerable to other countries who simply dont give a shit and would love to take advantage of us. As unrealistic as it seems to some. In Canada our environmental standards were always the best in the world, now they are making it impossible to export our oil while we import it from Saudi Arabia OVER THE OCEAN (silly that it gets no protest vs pipelines). A country where they would behead my gay brother and stone my wife is who our "femenist" PM caters to. When I look at Democrats I feel bad for the ones who follow them because they are in genuine losers who only pretend to care about social issues because it's been proven that people are more easily controlled by emotions.

I personally think the Democrats just want to convince everyone to cede more power to the government so when they are elected they can own the shirt on your back. Something akin to communism. It's happened all over the planet numerous times. Its tyranny is disguise.


I know we could wish away conflict and power struggles, but let's be realistic. In the grand scheme of things, the Democrats platform is about centralized government and strict regulations to the point it will probably become extremely invasive. They could covertly run the world with a smile. The people in power will justify thier luxury over yours in the new 2 class system. Think "the right to rule". That'll be back in a few generations if we let power become so centralized. We meet scabby people who come off as great every day. It's because they're manipulative. Why would that be different at the higher levels of the totem pole?

Much respect though. This is way better than Facebook.
 
Because Trump (and his supporters) are the racists...

Fox News contributor Lawrence Jones faces racist taunts from protesters at 'Impeach Trump' rally

A pair of anti-Trump protesters directed racist abuse at Fox News contributor Lawrence Jones at a New York City rally over the weekend.

Jones, the editor-in-chief of Campus Reform, was interviewing participants at the demonstration held by the NYC Coalition to Impeach Donald Trump at Foley Square in Lower Manhattan on Saturday when he was heckled.

According to a Fox News producer at the scene, two men walked up to Jones near the end of the rally and told him to go back to Fox News "where there's more cotton for you to pick."

The producer said he asked one of the men: "What did you just say?" When the man made the same comment, the producer asked if he "was really going to say that," to which the man responded: "I sure am."

With Jones' camera rolling, the man confronted by the producer, wearing a gray shirt, turned his back to the camera and made an obscene gesture. The second man, wearing a red shirt, told Jones: "He'll tell you to go back to Kenya next."

"You say what now?" Jones asked.

"He'll tell you 'go back to Kenya' next," the man in the red shirt said.

Saturday's demonstration, which was attended by Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., was one of several around the country calling for President Trump to be removed from office.
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Granted, this is two guys at an anti-Trump rally. It doesn't mean they are all racists. But something comes to mind about hypocrisy being out of favor, and how often the racist term is thrown at Trump supporters when the only ones shown to be racist is White Supremacists....and these guys.
 
I suspect the other democratic western governments understand that sometimes the voters do stupid extreme things. They have to deal with it too. It's not a uniquely American phenomenon. We're just ahead of the curve. :)
 
I'm shocked how people actually can be so hell bent on the belief that Trump is a bad president. You're literally brainwashed by CNN and other bullshit news stations that spew nonsense for the non educated incapable thinkers who need to be spoon fed fluoride.

Donald Trump has been a fantastic President... One of our biggest threats, Russia, is certainly on our side at this point. It's not mainstream knowledge, but Trump and Putin certainly have close ties. Trump may be waging economic war on China / Mexico, but he is doing it because it needs to be done... we are trillions of dollars in debt, mainly because of China, and we need to make steps to overcome these deficits.

At the end of the day, Trump was never supposed to be our President. The Presidents of this country are predetermined by the most powerful people in the world, and are basically a puppet. It is my strong belief that Trump was not supposed to win, but did. Hillary was the chosen elect by the elites, but she failed to deliver for whatever reason (the electoral college did not follow the plan).

It is my belief that Donald Trump is truly trying to save America, in the same way that JFK tried to do the same, from evils deeply rooted in our core. I pray he is able to do so and that I am right, and I pray he is safe from assassinations.

Oh, and if you really think he's that terrible, give me 3 reasons how Trump has directly negatively impacted your life since being elected, I'll wait... all these people with all this hate for a man with no guided reasoning is truly pathetic.

If we get some nut job Democrat in office in 2020 they're gonna try some idiotic shit like a gun grab like we're Australia, and I hope you all watched doomsday preppers because the NRA and myself included will blow the brains out of anyone knocking on our doorsteps trying to disarm our people.
 
FreedomCalls said:
You're literally brainwashed by CNN and other bullshit news stations that spew nonsense for the non educated incapable thinkers who need to be spoon fed fluoride.
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Who are you talking to here?

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It's not mainstream knowledge, but Trump and Putin certainly have close ties
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I think this is well known tbh.

Russia don't even represent the threat they would like the West to imagine. Trump was about 30 years too late to really claim victory over that threat imo.
 
swilow said:
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I think this is well known tbh.

Russia don't even represent the threat they would like the West to imagine. Trump was about 30 years too late to really claim victory over that threat imo.
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It was just a general statement not really directed at anyone just the huge amount of hate for Donald and when you ask people who hate him why, they usually say the go to, "hes a racist, he's a sexist, he's a ...." with no real evidence or correlation to how he has done as our president.

You may be right, but personally I think Russia is our biggest threat. The biggest threat to this earth. Since Putin has taken office he has completely revamped Russia, and they are a powerhouse. I don't think if the day came down to it Putin wouldn't hesitate to inflict complete destruction of any nation who challenged Russia.

and honestly... I support Putin, I like how he operates and I don't think he's being controlled by anyone. He is looking for the best interests for Russia and he's a no nonsense boss. Ex KBG agent... He has seen both sides. At least Russia is somewhat looking out for it's people.. they did a complete ban on GMO's and imports of tainted foods.. yet here in good old "the greatest country in the world" you can still get a glysolphate cancer smoothie at your local McDonald's any day of the week.
 
Why is it trump fanatics always assume everyone who hates him is addicted to watching CNN? I barely watch any news at all, but I still hate trump.

I hate him because he behaves like a lying asshole all the time. Saying shit that he'd have to be delusional not to realize is a lie. And treating people like shit.

Actually no, behaving like that is why is dislike and mistrust him. I hate him because he's a narcissist. A narcissists are dangerous horrible people.

Every negative opinion I have of trump is because of shit he's said.

His Twitter feed is enough evidence all on its own that he's an unlikable dishonest narcissistic asshole.

Don't blame CNN for trump looking like a lying asshole when he posts assholeish lies on Twitter all the time.

If CNN is twisting the truth to make him look bad, then that's a shocking waste of time and money.
 
The one question I have about Mr Trump is that is everybody 100 per cent certain that they fellow is going to run for re-election in 2020?

I ask this because it seemed like he really didn't want it in the first place and was sort of sent into the Republican Primaries by supporters of HRC to do like a Tasmanian Devil and knock down the potential Bush XLV, Ms Fiorina, Governor Kasich and everyone else to make her job easier, hell, if I ran a (big) political party and could do that, I would . . . that was clever, if cynical. You know they were thinking outside the box: look what happened to Senator Sanders, which was very self destructive for the party.

Plus with his 100 per cent name recognition and how much ever dough, he was able to bypass the Republican machine. Meaning that if he got upset enough and wanted to deal the kind of near-lethal blow to the Republicans that the losses of 1894 did to the Democrats, which actually busted them in two for several years, he could go along until circa or about 1 June 2020 and then go on Twitter and "Surprise! I'm going to Disneyland -- get your own damn candidate" and it would screw up the Democrats too because it seems that their whole raison d'être is opposing the President, the lack of a 2018 blue tsunami notwithstanding. Well, there was a party like that, and they had a humane and progressive platform too, and they were founded to stop one man. They were known as Whigs.
 
He announced his bid in Orlando a couple of days ago. Rest assured he wants the nomination and always has. He's all about the glory. He pictures himself as the greatest president that America has ever had and as it's appointed saviour. To think he didn't want the role is a severe misassement of Trump's character.
 
That is entirely possible, of course . . . the thing which actually got me thinking about this is that there is also the element of how much abuse can one person take before they say the hell with it -- especially with the cut in salary he took.
 
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