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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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Then we have a problem, because this is the trump presidency thread. It's a thread where we discuss trumps presidency.

So if you don't want to do that, that's fine, you don't have to contribute to it, same as anyone else if they felt it was making them unhappy.

If instead you wanna talk about the possibility that peoples dislike, disapproval, or hatred of trump could be making them miserable or a sign of some other separate problem, I see no reason you can't do that. Just not here. It would be better if you created your own thread for that.

This thread is for talking about trumps presidency, it doesn't have to be perfectly laser focused on that at all times of course, but discussing the psychology of people who dislike him is a subject for another thread.
 
Derschieber said:
At no time have I indulged anyone's desire to talk about Trump. That is not why I am here.
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Oh no?

"The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread" seems like an odd place to be hanging out and engaging others, if that is the case.

I'm getting off topic, which is Trump, so I'll leave it alone. But that is quite an odd thing to say here...
 
Mafioso said:
But that is quite an odd thing to say here...
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Derschieber said:
At no time have I indulged anyone's desire to talk about Trump. That is not why I am here.
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You have missed the context i.e. I'm not here to indulge the compulsion to regurgitate slanderous gossip.
To the contrary. I came to help you see that President Trump is not THAT bad. Which btw is good news :)
 
Derschieber said:
I wouldn't bother saying these things, if I didn't respect you.

You don't like Trump.
Absolutely not.
Your mind is made up.
You will never vote for him, or promote anything to do with him.
You know what you want, and why you want it.

I can certainly respect that.

Why waste one more moment of your precious life thinking about such a person?
Your mind is 100% made up. You loath the guy. I understand.
How can Trump hold any interest for you?
How can Trump not be the very last thing you want to hear or talk about?
Who spends hours upon hours researching, reading and studying about someone you want nothing to do with?
What is that?

How many more years have you got left?
We'll all be dead soon. Remember?
Is this how you want to spend your remaining time?
Meditating on the the shortcomings of Donald Trump?

I am convinced beyond and doubt that you people here are making yourselves miserable, not because you think this is a great way to spend your time, but because you are compelled to do so.
MSM has been feeding out a constant stream of addictive garbage. It tastes good. I get that. But it is making you miserable, and it shows.
You have gained nothing. There is not even a high. In order to relieve the misery, you swallow more junk with double hand-fulls.

Forget Trump. Reading through that muller report thingy is akin to some meth addict frantically carpet surfing. Found any good crumbs dude?
yea...I bet.

Walk away from this rubbish. Take a four week break. Avoid that man like you would the plague. You hate him, remember?
Just walk away.

Drop of the key Lee
Get on the Bus Gus
And set yourself free

Your worth it :)
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your wasting your breath
 
Guys/girls. I am a big Trump fan actually and I think people are so blindly manipulated and hypnotised by the media who absolutely hates Trump that alone should tell you that he is not the demon many people think he is and is actually far more of an ally to mankind than most people will ever realise or comprehend.
 
I think Trump is very dangerous but the funny part is that the Trump-haters have no idea why this is.

They dislike him for reasons that generally don't make sense or are lies.
 
You cant force them to like trump though as stupid as their reasons are its their choice they cant for e me and you not to like him
 
For all we know it could be an act to keep the increasingly right wing mindset at bay for all we know the president is already chosen all im saying is if hes genuinely a president or something else i still like him BUT i understand if people dont like him and its probably quite ignorant for me to expect people to see my point of view when im not seeing theirs i mean if this many people hate him maybe their is a reason for that I dont want people in this thread to be defensive with me, because im not trying to start anything if you dont like him then i respect that.

what happened to lock her up hillary clinton 2 days after trump became president he was praising the clintons saying they were "great people" I feel so betrayed ?
 
Derschieber said:
I'm not here to indulge the compulsion to regurgitate slanderous gossip.
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Derschieber said:
No, I never do that.
My material found right here: For example:

Shadowmeister said:


No, we elected a narcissistic egomaniac who would slit his own momma's throat


Trump is not THAT bad. That's good news, right?
Of course it is :)
Don't worry, be happy.
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Hm. You indeed are an odd one, Dersch, as I believe you have called the type of posts you quoted "slanderous gossip". Yet say you aren't here to regurgitate it, but can't seem to resist the urge to quote it. Hm, that's odd.

Fair enough though, as we are all entitled to our opinions. It is my opinion that you seem to lack a sense of self-awareness.
 
The Trump administration's case for killing the ACA

Donald trump on stage reaching his hand out

Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

The Trump administration has laid out its full argument for why a federal appeals court should invalidate the entire Affordable Care Act — and it's a doozy.

The big picture: It comes down to "severability," and severability comes down to congressional intent. The thinking goes: if the ACA's individual mandate is unconstitutional — which is not a given — can other parts of the law function the way Congress intended?

The challenge for the Justice Department is squaring the intentions Congress expressed in 2010, when it first passed the ACA, with the intentions Congress expressed in 2017, when it nullified the individual mandate but left the rest of the law intact.
  • When Congress passed the ACA, it included findings that said the individual mandate was key to making the law's protections for people with pre-existing conditions work. As DOJ notes in its new brief, Congress has not repealed those findings.
  • But Congress has designed a new statute — one that keeps the protections for pre-existing conditions and doesn't have a penalty for being uninsured.
  • DOJ is arguing here that Congress' decision to enacted that set of policies is not evidence of Congress' intent — that its words from 2010 effectively override its actions in 2017.
Even that logic only takes you as far as striking down the mandate and protections for pre-existing conditions — the provisions Congress said were tied together. But that’s not the case DOJ is making. It says the whole ACA should go.
  • It's sort of a cascading theory — that once the provisions on pre-existing conditions fall, the rest of the law's insurance reforms can't work as intended, so they should fall, and once they fall, the taxes that help pay for them aren't working as intended, which means the Medicaid expansion now would be increasing the deficit, which means it should fall.
The ACA is much more than its insurance reforms. And the DOJ's latest brief acknowledges that "there are other provisions that might be able to operate in the manner that Congress intended" even if those reforms are struck down.
  • But the courts should strike those provisions down anyway, DOJ argues, because they're still part of the ACA — or, in DOJ's words, "the question of congressional intent as to those provisions is complicated by the circumstances surrounding their enactment."
Go deeper: How the ACA went from unpopular to (sort of) popular
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I wonder how many ACA enrollees can vote?
 
Derschieber said:
Forget Trump. Reading through that muller report thingy is akin to some meth addict frantically carpet surfing. Found any good crumbs dude?
yea...I bet.

Walk away from this rubbish. Take a four week break. Avoid that man like you would the plague. You hate him, remember?
Just walk away.
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I get what you're saying. There is a LOT of energy being put into 'discussion' by people all over the globe regarding Trump. Some support, some loathe. And to those that loathe, I see you pointing out how much a waste of effort it is to continue looking for faults to point out or to fret over the possible destruction he can cause. After all, he's only there temporarily, right? We all are, as you point out, only temporary, so try not to worry so much and enjoy the time you have.

Unfortunately, some can't get past the concept that Trump is the American President. He just isn't Presidential, to begin with. And a lot of what he does IS destroying not only America but the world. At least, that's how they see it. If you see a wrong - do you NOT feel the need to address it? He may cause irreparable damage. He doesn't acknowledge the real problems we face, and instead is creating new ones - at least in the eyes of some. And if a person has any sense of having happiness in life, much less having an enjoyable world for future generations, such damage must be restrained if not eliminated.

There are small problems where you can turn a cheek and move on. There are larger problems that you have to face, and if possible, you must find a way to stop them. Then, there are problems the size of Trump, which for some can cause outrage. As such, your request of "Don't worry, be happy" (sing a little tune) simply is a childish suggestion in the face of such an aberration destroying America. As such, you should expect those individuals to ignore your suggestion at best, or at worst expect them to angrily attack your suggestions as trolling - suggesting the ridiculous simply to aggravate them.

Consider, not all have the same perspective - not just on what is right and wrong, but HOW MUCH certain things could be right or wrong. I get it - we've survived a lot of other Presidents and world events, we'll survive this. However, it feels like a lot more people have taken this personally and cannot abide waiting it out. As such, you should not expect them to take your suggestion seriously.

Derschieber said:
At no time have I indulged anyone's desire to talk about Trump. That is not why I am here.
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As Jess has pointed out, more than once, YOU came into the Trump thread. His good or bad is THE topic, and as such it will draw out those who are strongly supporting him, as well as those who are strongly opposed to him. By entering into this thread, you are effecting the discourse about Trump. Your intent (as I read it) may be to tell folks not to get so upset, but you are in the middle of a group of folks in this specific thread for that specific discussion and they are deeply believing in their positions. Even if your intent is noble, to alleviate the angst of others, you would be foolish to think those invested so heavily in this topic would be capable of stepping back and caring less.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Even if your intent is noble, to alleviate the angst of others, you would be foolish to think those invested so heavily in this topic would be capable of stepping back and caring less
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I don't think its about being 'capable' or whatever. People want to talk about Trump because he's a piece of shit with immense power who is going to save the world from immigrant hordes. He's gonna build walls and grab pussy and fail at business and walk straight from the set of a game show into the Oval Office, cut taxes and eat fast food. This is not a guy who is going quietly, so yeah. He brings the noise, his supporters get all worked up mid-gobble when people who oppose the domination of a rich cunt complain a bit. Thought police?

The humorless right just pretends that all of Trump's useless behaviour is intended and they are in on it despite factoring into Trump's life even less than the dog who's shit he stood in when he was a 4 year old millionaire. Newsflash: Turmp would consider most of us to be irrelevant poor people. He hates you all.

Honestly, its actually enjoyable adopting a really absurd stance and just doubling the fuck down on it. Trump wants you all dead.
 
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