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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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alasdairm said:
another major milestone for the trump administration: National debt tops $22 trillion for the first time as experts warn of ripple effects



congratulations on a big first president trump!

#makeamericagreatbrokeagain

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When Obama was president our national debt was a MAJOR concern for Republicans... Especially the Fiscal Conservative Republicans... It's funny to me how they don't give a shit now... I wonder why?

I remember when they told Obama if he wanted to add even a single dollar to the debt that he would have to cut a dollar... Mostly from programs that helped the poor of course. Republicans always attack the poor who have nothing meanwhile giving HUGE tax breaks to the ultra rich. Their new tax bill proves who they are in bed with... The rich... As usual. A friend of mine who is homeless at the moment (he voted for Trump) usually gets a tax return of a few grand back... He now owes this year. Trump makes me fucking sick. Fucking ugly racist fat pig headed trippppple chin small dick fuck face puto.
 
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more trump hypocrisy:

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"he is unable to negotiate"

not what you want to hear when you tout yourself as the world's greatest negotiator...

alasdair
 
^once again, you completely ignore context and nuance lol
He IS the world's greatest negotiator.

So since Democrats prefer to see Americans suffer - Trump will be building the wall by declaring a national emergency.

It's good that the majority of Americans agree with Trump securing the border.
 
You.. Really think he's the world's greatest negotiator? Really? Wow.... I really have nothing to say to that.

What exactly is the context being ignored? Trump has a tweet saying Obama would be wrong subvert the constitution to get his way when he can't negotiate with congress. And for once, I agree with something trump said.

But unless you've got some pretty awesome fucking context I'm missing, it seems massively hypocritical that he's now largely trying to do the same thing. Suggesting he will try and use a national emergency to bypass congress if he doesn't get his way because his super negotiating skills have one again failed us.
 
If most Americans agree with Trump, and there is serious criminal activity along the border that his opponents are ignoring (and may even be involved in), what do you expect him to do? He's using the powers at his disposal - and I told you that the wall would be built.
 
I don't think the wall will ever be built. There may wind up being some added fencing. But a tall thick concrete wall crossing most of the border is extremely unlikely to ever happen.

Which is part of why I think trump will eventually disappoint you.

As for the rest of your post. I've seen no reason to think most Americans agree with this wall. And even if they do, that doesn't prove that they agree with bypassing congress to get it. And even if they did, it's still not acceptable. Those with the highest power should be those most obligated to follow the rules.

Mexico was supposed to pay for it, not us.

Regardless though, it's still hypocritical. People should stand by their principles. And they should be honest about their beliefs.

Trump has repeatidly said things then completely contradicted them. This is one of them. Attacking Obama then doing the same thing. For which there have been several examples, not just this.

I find it hard to understand why you'd trust a man with so little integrity to lead the country. When it comes time for reelection, how are you supposed to know what you're voting for if you vote for him, if you can't trust him to stick to his stated principles.
 
It's better if the US pays for it over Mexico.
Personally I think the cartels should pay for it, did they seize the assets of El Chapo? Dude is minted with blood money.
There are multiple ways to fund it, and like I mentioned, I don't believe the seriousness of people who are complaining that it's too expensive
(it's not in the bigger scheme and there's money in the defense budget)

I think the wall will be built. I guess we'll see whose predictions eventuate.
 
A wall - a "fence" or a "barrier" that's big enough for people not to be able to climb over easily, and strong enough that they can't just smash or cut through it.

President Trump has a pool of roughly $21 billion in military construction funds he can use to build the border wall by emergency declaration, congressional aides said Thursday — though much of that is already destined for other projects that would have to be put on hold.

The White House said Thursday that the president will follow through on his threat to declare an emergency, using the Pentagon to build fencing and circumventing a Congress that just denied him most of the money he had sought.

Fox News reported Mr. Trump will end up with about $8 billion in wall money, with $600 million coming from a Treasury Department forfeiture fund, $2.5 billion from Pentagon drug interdiction money and $3.5 billion from the military construction budget. He will get $1.375 billion from the bill Congress approved.

“The president is once again delivering on his promise to build the wall, protect the border, and secure our great country,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.
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Oh maybe I was disconnected or not paying attention...

I was just stating that Trump has the negotiation skills of a spoiled 4 year old. lol
 
^so my friend's spoiled 4 year old should be able to create a multi-billion dollar empire by banging his head against the wall and pooping his pants.

What annoys me about this thread in general is that the accusations are generally either false, misleading, hypocritical, selective or irrelevant.

For eg he's got Elliot Abrams on his staff (who Illhan Omar just decimated in a hearing), a guy involved in Iran-Contra and some serious human rights abuses in South America - and it looks like they're going to invade Venezuela (US weapons have already been found shipped down there). If regime change happens I might even have to withdraw support for The Donald so hopefully doesn't come to that.
 
JGrimez said:
He IS the world's greatest negotiator.
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how do you begin to measure something like that? serious question.

he had a republican house and senate for 2 years while this 'emergency' was happening and he couldn't negotiate wall money. then the dems took the house so he had a harder time - but surely a challenge the world's greatest negotiator would relish and conquer! nope, couldn't negotiate anything. indeed, his world's-greatest negotiating tactic seemed to be nothing more than "give me what i want or i'll shut down the government indefinitely". that didn't work either and a lot of americans were not impressed.

hell, if throwing a tantrum is the thing, then my friends' 4 year olds can count themselves among the world's greatest negotiators - you should see them negotiate when they don't get what they want :)

JGrimez said:
It's good that the majority of Americans agree with Trump securing the border.
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you accuse others of only seeing what they want to see but you are absolutely as guilty of that as anybody else here.

it is also telling that you chose to frame it as "securing the border" to better fit your narrative...

if you specifically ask about the wall, things change:

Texans oppose Trump border wall in Texas
Americans are split on feelings toward border wall, poll shows
Most Americans oppose the wall ? and oppose ending the shutdown by funding it
Americans don?t want Trump?s border wall. This is what they want instead.

and in case you just blow those off because you dislike the sources, here are a couple from that bastion of fairness and balance, fox news:

Trump doubles down on border wall, as polls show voters turning against his shutdown strategy
Forget about a border wall ? Trump and Congress should agree on these immigration policies that work

alasdair
 
Today Donald Trump declared a national emergency but then fucked himself AGAIN by saying... " I could do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this, but I'd rather do it much faster." Lord help me lol... he is so stupid... He just lost that case when it goes to court. That statement right there proves that this is not an EMERGENCY. Fucking idiot lol
 
Wonderful, trump damaged separation of powers in a way that could have consequences for decades to come because he's an impatient man child.

As for the legal question. I hope you're right. But I fear it's far more complicated than that.

One major problem that might crop up, is that congress already has the power to cancel this state of emergency. It's just that they might not have a majority for that.

In the absence of other legal problems, the courts could well argue that the national emergencies act already provides a remedy for this problem. And thus it is for congress to invalidate the emergency not them.
 
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