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Fast food is mostly gross when cold or lukewarm. And the food kept getting colder while Trump spewed words. So many words...

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Nice candelabras.

Where's Melania?
 
^and a cheap one. "...paid for by me", he bragged.
Yeah, because you shut the government down, you master negotiator you... smh.

Everything he does and says is pretty much textbook pathological narcissist behavior. I don't know how it could be any more obvious.

Speaking of the subject, this is spot on imo...

 
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Trump's support plummeting among white Americans without degrees amid government shutdown, poll shows

The Independent The Independent 14 hours ago

Support for Donald Trump has waned significantly among a key group of working-class voters during the longest government shutdown in US history, polls indicate.

The president’s approval rating among white Americans without university degrees has plummeted in the last month, according to separate surveys by Quinnipiac University and CNN.

The demographic is seen as crucial to Mr Trump, with two-thirds backing him in the 2016 election.

Fifty-three per cent of white voters with no degree approve of the president’s performance, down from 56 per cent on 19 December, found the Quinnipiac poll. His disapproval rating has increased from 37 per cent to 43 per cent, according to the survey.

CNN’s research put the same group’s support for Mr Trump at 45 per cent, down from 54 per cent a month ago. The rating is his lowest polled by a CNN survey of white Americans without degrees, by one per cent.

The CNN poll found 55 per cent of all Americans placed most of the blame for the government shutdown on the president, compared to 22 per cent who blamed Democrats in congress.

Forty-five per cent of white Americans without university degrees blamed Mr Trump, with 39 per cent blaming Democrats.

The president initially appeared eager to take responsibility for the deadlock which has left 800,000 federal government workers unpaid for more than a month, telling Democrats in a televised meeting in December: “I will be the one to shut it down ... I’m not going to blame you for it.”

Earlier this month, Mr Trump vowed to keep shuttered government departments closed for “months or even years” if House Democrats continue to refuse to sign off funding for his border wall.

But with frustration growing over the shutdown, which entered its 26th day on Wednesday, the president has tried to shift blame onto Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

“Nancy and Cryin’ Chuck can end the Shutdown in 15 minutes. At this point, it has become their, and the Democrats, fault,” he tweeted on Monday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-support-plummeting-among-095537742.html
 
Which is exactly why the democrats should give Trump nothing.

It hurts trump more directly than it hurts them, the damage this is doing might well be remembered in the next presidential election.

People remember the president and hold him responsible more than they do a group like congress.

Besides. Giving trump the 5 billion is crazy. Even if we suppose that a wall would be a good thing, 5 billion isn't enough money to build it. It's not even as much as trumps lowest estimate, which itself is by far the lowest estimate that exists.

Ethics aside, the democrats would be smart to draw this out so long as trump refuses to compromise.

Besides, trump is weak, with a greater loyalty to his own image and ego than the wall. Sooner or later he's likely to cave.
 
Many Voters Think Trump?s a Self-Made Man. What Happens When You Tell Them Otherwise?

Jack ShaferJanuary 17, 2019

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You probably think you know who Donald Trump is. Most Americans do. For decades, he?s been in the public eye?first as a flamboyant real estate developer, then a reality TV star, then a political performer?and has been branding himself upon the public imagination throughout that entire time.

Who is Donald Trump? Ask Americans and many of them will describe a self-made billionaire, a business tycoon of unfathomable success. In researchrecently published in Political Behavior, we found that voters are not simply uninformed about President Trump?s biographical background, but misinformed?and that misinformation has serious political consequences.

Large swaths of the public believe the Trump myth. Across three surveys of eligible voters from 2016 to 2018, we found that as many as half of all Americans do not know that he was born into a very wealthy family. And while Americans are divided along party lines in their assessment of Trump?s performance as president, misperceptions regarding his financial background are found among Democrats and Republicans.

The narrative of Trump as self-made is simply false. Throughout his life, the president has downplayed the role his father, real estate developer Fred Trump, played in his success, claiming it was ?limited to a small loan of $1 million.? That isn?t true, of course: A comprehensive New York Times investigation last year estimated that over the course of his lifetime, the younger Trump received more than $413 million in today?s dollars from his father. While this exact figure was not known before the Times? report, it was a matter of record that by the mid-1980s, Trump had been loaned at least $14 million by his father, was loaned at least $3.5 million more in 1990, had borrowed several more million against his inheritance in the 1990s after many of his ventures failed, and had benefited enormously from his father?s political connections and co-signing on loans early in his career as a builder.

Of course, someone born into wealth may have great business acumen, and the question of whether Trump is ?a great businessman? is a subjective evaluation. The focus of our work, however, is on whether indisputable facts regarding candidate biographies?which are often invisible to voters over the course of a campaign?affect public opinion.

It turns out that they do. Using a 2017 University of Maryland Critical Issues Poll, we found that believing Trump was notborn ?very wealthy? leads to at least a 5-percentage-point boost in the president?s job approval, even after considering the many factors that can influence public approval ratings. This shift is rooted in the belief that his humble roots make Trump both more empathetic (he ?feels my pain?), and more skilled at business (he is self-made and couldn?t have climbed to such heights without real business know-how).

What happens when Americans learn of the president?s privileged background? In a 2018 survey, we provided half the respondents the following question, which was intended to impart Trump?s biographical information: To what extent were you aware that Donald Trump grew up the son of wealthy real estate businessman Fred Trump, started his business with loans from his father, and received loans worth millions of dollars from his father in order to keep his businesses afloat?

As the figures below show, attitudes toward Trump may be polarized along party lines, but this information does have noticeable and statistically significant effects on evaluations of Trump?s character. For Democrats, who already see Trump as lacking empathy, this information makes them think of him as even less empathetic. But among Republicans, the information is even more damning, reducing perceptions of empathy by more than 10 percentage points.

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On perceptions of business acumen, which are higher across both parties, the information regarding Fred Trump?s role in his son?s business success is equally important. Democrats reduce their perceptions of Trump as a good businessman by 6 points, while Republican perceptions decline by 9 points.


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These effects may seem small, but the results demonstrate that this misperception was consequential. And among undecided voters or those on the fence, they could make a serious difference in the 2020 election.

Many Americans were and remain misinformed about the central aspect of Trump?s business career, which was his sole credential in his bid for office. Why are so many Americans so mistaken on this seemingly basic point? Given that a significant?if smaller?minority of Democrats answered incorrectly, we cannot attribute it entirely to partisan rationalization.

Many studies have shown that, for better or worse, candidates? race, gender and incumbency affect voters? assessments. Voters also care about less visible characteristics of candidates?such as their religion, occupational background and veteran status?but may be less aware of the facts concerning them. This is made worse when there is a concerted effort to build a counternarrative.

Trump?s persona in the 2000s?the image of him as a world-conquering tycoon?was not shaped by his business record, which was pockmarked with bankruptcies, but by his hit TV show, ?The Apprentice.? As The New Yorker recently put it, the show ?mythologized him anew, and on a much bigger scale, turning him into an icon of American success.? As a politician, Trump built on this narrative, claiming, ?I built what I built myself, and I did it by working long hours and working hard and working smart.?

Another factor is media coverage of Trump. A LexisNexis search of leading newspapers from January 1, 2016, until Election Day 2016 found more than six times as many articles referring to Trump?s divorces than those mentioning his father. The problem is not just that the media prefers the salacious to the substantive; the practices of even serious journalists may not always produce an informed public. By 2016, Fred Trump?s aid to his son was in the distant past. It had been reported over the years, so barring revelations like those in the 2018 New York Times expos?, it just wasn?t ?news? to reporters. Yet without repeated coverage, many voters who do not follow politics closely will not absorb the facts that journalists take for granted. Similarly, reporters are often reactive, and Trump?s rivals in 2016 seldom noted the centrality of Fred Trump?s financial support in keeping his son?s businesses afloat.

The story was also complicated. Trump never denied being born wealthy or receiving some help from his father. He simply massively understated this aid, repeatedly characterizing it as ?a small loan of a million dollars.? Yet the precise amount of help Trump received was hard to quantify, even if it was clearly far more than he admitted. Given his many flatly false and easily refutable statements, the murkiness around his paternal backing might have made it a less-than-attractive target even for journalists keen to fact-check the eventual GOP nominee.

The 2016 campaign is history, and if Trump runs for reelection, assessments of his record in office will likely be more important to the campaign than perceptions about his business career. Yet the issues our research raise about voter ignorance and misinformation?and the media coverage that contributes to it?are of broader importance.

As we enter the 2020 cycle, reporters and campaign workers may assume voters know about all sorts of things that they don?t. But our research shows that the basic information plugged-in elites take for granted is not known by many Americans, and can be consequential in political evaluations. After all, a 2016 poll showed that more Americans under age 30 could identify Pikachu than Joe Biden, suggesting that even well-vetted politicians must be reintroduced to an ever-changing electorate.

American voters do respond to information about candidates, but first, they need to be told the full story.

I think the last sentence sums it up.
 
I love that the lie that trump promotes to claim he's self made is that the "only" help his father gave him was a "small" 1 million dollar loan.

That's the start of the official version of his starting with nothing. A million dollars.

It's a lie, but even if it were true, a million dollars is neither a "small" loan nor is it starting from nothing.
 
Yeah I remember that... "Small loan of 1 million dollars." lol

Apparently if you're pro life and pro second amendment you're automatically a Trump supporter. I unliked two of the Facebook pages I was on because they were overridden by Trump supporters. I hate the fact that if you have certain views you're automatically lumped in with a certain political and/or religious stance. It's stupid.
 
It says a lot about what kind of family and culture you were brought up in when you think that a million dollar loan is starting with nothing.

And yes, you're right, it's very frustrating. The idea of being a hardcore Christian.. Trump supporter seems crazy to me.

Yeah those are some great Christian values, love thy neighbor, by wanting them to pay to wall them off from you.

Not to mention the wonderful family values of paying porn stars hush money.

The idea that trumps a Christian or promotes Christian values is laughable.
 
Agree to all responses. Being pro-choice and pro-gun is also elicits interesting reactions. :\

I'm also quite familiar with the Southern flavor of Christianity. It's adaptable to a lout like Trump or other hypocritical positions.

Trump adopts whatever "beliefs" are expedient. He has no allegiances except maybe Ivanka.

It shocks me not only that anyone can believe anything Trump communicates, but that some are, conversely, still affected by the truth (as posted in the article above). I'm hoping more of Trump's privileged background becomes highly visible for the more 'convincible' voters out there.

Some people will never give up believing in Trump. Smh.
 
Trump adopts whatever "beliefs" are expedient. He has no allegiances except maybe Ivanka.

Pretty much. I don't think Trump is religious, at least not overtly. Even politically I don't think he really actually sides with either party. I think he is just whatever he thinks will get him what he wants. He knew exactly who he was catering to with his campaign.

Some people will never give up believing in Trump. Smh.

Doesn't seem like it. They'll just deflect when confronted with damning evidence to why he shouldn't be in office and tell you you must be a Obama and Hillary supporter. He's done a pretty good job of brainwashing people I guess.
 
Agreed, hardcore Trump supporters are so deep in now that to ever admit they were duped would be too harsh a blow. So they will continue their combination of apologizing, rationalizing and ignoring to the bitter end. As it goes on, and after he leaves office, his approval will drop further and further but there will always be holdouts.

If you ever want to feel horrible about the people of this country... read comments, especially replies to top-level comments, in news articles. Oh god, the horror... this is what we're dealing with and it's terrifying.

Yeah I remember that... "Small loan of 1 million dollars." lol

Apparently if you're pro life and pro second amendment you're automatically a Trump supporter. I unliked two of the Facebook pages I was on because they were overridden by Trump supporters. I hate the fact that if you have certain views you're automatically lumped in with a certain political and/or religious stance. It's stupid.

Yeah it's almost beyond belief. My mom's sister and my cousin, her daughter, and her husband are all born-again Christians, the southern style of Christianity. My cousin in particular is a lovely woman, one of the kindest people I know, she does a lot to help her community, she's so nice. Yet all of them are staunch Trump supporters, ONLY because they're staunch Republicans and they associate Democrats/liberals with being sinful non-Christians. So voting Republican is a matter of religious morality to them. The rationalizations they make to justify this belief boggles my mind. Yes, trump is a Christian, because of this and this and this. Well, he's crass, but he means well. Well, he didn't really say that, that's the liberal media. Well the deep state is framing him. Well I read that he goes to church every week. Etc etc etc. Oh and of course "but Hillary! But Obama! Emails!" Whatever, we're not talking about them, we're talking about Trump and whatever they did has no bearing on what Trump is doing.

Both parties have sunk so low it's disgusting, by producing such a huge rift in the people of this country and turning political affiliation into a religion, basically. But the Republicans have done a "better" job of it, and by better, of course, I mean more completely sinister. There's so much rage in the populace, it's making me nervous. We should remember the past. We should remember that we are not immune to civil war, and we should remember what xenophobia and nationalism wrought in the 20th century. But since we're humans, we're seemingly doomed to repeat our mistakes over and over again ad nauseum and learn nothing as a whole.
 
I would eat a hamburger with President Trump. Mostly because I am poor and hungry but hey. What are you going to do?

So would I. But I'd be willing to have lunch with any president. Even trump.

Trumps probably the only one I'd call a rampaging toddler over lunch though.
 
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