The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

[Ganjcat]

searing analysis. how about the content of the piece?

alasdair

I'm not here to serve your needs

 

[invegauser]

This thread should be renamed the bash president trump thread and dont dare support him cus the moderator likes to think shes in with the left or something lmao

So tat makes it ok to call trump supporters idiots and not respect their beleifs I respect your beleifs but I do not respect you and certainly not the moderator if you was open minded you would be less prejudice its like being racist to trump supporters when most trump supporters are not racist they just want someone nrw if your so open minded why is my opinion and other trump supporters opions so bad I mean if you beleive everything you read from the media and don't ever question it the way you talk about trump and politics I would say your actually pretty close minded I am entilted to my own opinion must like you buddy.

Ok how about we rename it to copy and paste all bad stories about Trumps from the media and not even have your own opinion everyones 'opinion' is just artifical and projected from the anti Trump media see I have passions for what I say and what I read and I just want to say to all you other Trump supporters dont let these sad fucks intimidate you into not posting they are the ones living in a fantasy world not us.

See all that stuff your saying is just coming from the media(who hate trump and work for his opposition) no one here knows a thing about Trump(including me) none of you have ever actually talked to the guy, off camera I know I know hes so 'horrendous ' you would never go near him or whatever im not gonna say another word on this thread cus its just so stupid and I beleive in Trump.Takes even though I'm not American.

Theres a reason people voted for Trump and maybe his rhetoric and energy is a bit to much for some but never in all my life have I seen such complete and utter bul**** excuse my french.

Damn I need a cigarette

Ugh anderson cooper looks like hes got a bloody block head

come on were all friends just on different sides of the fence I like how you said make him look mentally disabled lol that put a smile on my face ☺

I'm not here to serve your needs

WOW!!

spoken like a true trump supporter

all me, me, me and no debating in good faith; just like trump

your posts have been found wanting for information and substance though they are full of opinion. (refer to above quote about opinions and facts)

(did JGrimez and Droppersneck have a kid or something?)

 

[DrewDogBaby209]

WOW!!


(did JGrimez and Droppersneck have a kid or something?)

Oh shit 4 real huh lol?

 

[TheLoveBandit]

MAGA people say it's a witch hunt... kinda crazy how 33 witches have been indicted. I just can't see how anybody can say this is a Witch Hunt there is so much evidence. Most of the Christopher steele dossier has also been proven true. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Tanzania, Rwanda, Uganda, Burundi, Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Zaire baby. It's Trump supporters whole reason for living

33 indicted? And yet still nothing on Trump. How is that?

Steele dossier proven true? I've yet to see that. In fact, I'm hearing of FBI communications now showing their own doubt of the assertions at the time. (note, the article is from 5DEC)

The email exchanges included then-FBI Director James Comey, key FBI investigators in the Russia probe and lawyers in the DOJ’s national security division, and they occurred in early to mid-October, before the FBI successfully secured a FISA warrant to spy on Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

The email exchanges show the FBI was aware — before it secured the now-infamous warrant — that there were intelligence community concerns about the reliability of the main evidence used to support it: the Christopher Steele dossier

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Most intelligence officials, such as former CIA Director John Brennan and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, have embraced the concerns laid out in the Steele dossier of possible — but still unproven — collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Yet, 10 months after the probe started and a month after Robert Mueller was named special counsel in the Russia probe, Comey cast doubt on the the Steele dossier, calling it “unverified” and “salacious” in sworn testimony before Congress.

Former FBI lawyer Lisa Page further corroborated Comey’s concerns in recent testimony before House lawmakers, revealing that the FBI had not corroborated the collusion charges by May 2017, despite nine months of exhaustive counterintelligence investigation..

Is it denial when there is nothing as yet to deny? Because, facts, you know? That's why people cite their sources, to show their words are not just made up internet noise, but something substantiated, something more than wishful thinking or predjudiced assertions. While we're on the subject of what actually has been proven to date, and who is in denial..why no response from anyone about the Steele dossier being funded (at least in part) by HRC and the DNC? From the same article:

But the FBI withheld from the American public and Congress, until months later, that Steele had been paid to find his dirt on Trump by a firm doing political opposition research for the Democratic Party and for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, and that Steele himself harbored hatred for Trump.

Regardless of any still pending truth to the allegations against Trump, anyone should also be asking WHY this is where the funding came from for such an investigation? There is a LOT of bias implied by who funded the still unproven allegations. And yet, neither DNC or HRC have attempted to deny funding it. Why? OIC...

 

[DrewDogBaby209]

Hello my favorite Trump supporter TLB...

It seems that you forgot to mention Republicans hired Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump first. Democrats only took over the payments

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-hired-firm-that-later-produced-trump-dossier

James Clapper and plenty of others have said that many parts of the Steele dossier have proven to be true. Just because Trump is a liar doesn't mean Clapper is.

I have a lot more links from reputable news outlets and reputable people saying many things in Christopher Steele dossier have came true. Just because you only believe Trump, Fox, Breitbart, and Infowars doesn't mean it's fake news. Trump only calls news that points out his lies fake news...that's a fact.

https://thehill.com/policy/national...and-more-of-steele-dossier-proving-to-be-true

 

[alasdairm]

I'm not here to serve your needs

lol. nice dodge.

you get your panties in a bunch when people 'bash' trump' yet bashing anderson cooper's appearance - perhaps the shallowest of analysis - is just fine by you. there's a word for this...

alasdair

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Hello my favorite Trump supporter TLB...

It seems that you forgot to mention Republicans hired Christopher Steele to dig up dirt on Trump first. Democrats only took over the payments

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-hired-firm-that-later-produced-trump-dossier

Thanks! Didn't know that bit about the Rep's starting the investigation. So I appreciate the education on that, as well as the link to back it up. Cheers.

James Clapper and plenty of others have said that many parts of the Steele dossier have proven to be true. Just because Trump is a liar doesn't mean Clapper is.

I have a lot more links from reputable news outlets and reputable people saying many things in Christopher Steele dossier have came true. Just because you only believe Trump, Fox, Breitbart, and Infowars doesn't mean it's fake news. Trump only calls news that points out his lies fake news...that's a fact.

https://thehill.com/policy/national...and-more-of-steele-dossier-proving-to-be-true

Ah, yes, the same Clapper I linked as being quoted as " James Clapper, have embraced the concerns laid out in the Steele dossier of possible — but still unproven — collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."? Though, my link is December, yours back in May of last year. Both show his support of using what's in there, though mine is more recent and reflects my statement that things are still unproven. Yours doesn't counter that. Still, I appreciate the citing of references, so thanks for that.

One last point, I don't believe only Trump and the rest you listed. I hear things and read things from all perspectives so I can make my own opinion. I prefer to hear the facts and choose for myself what to believe. I've never claimed Trump is clean, only that a lot of what's been put forth by the Democrats is unsubstantiated and, for lack of a better term, unproven.

 

[DrewDogBaby209]

Thanks! Didn't know that bit about the Rep's starting the investigation. So I appreciate the education on that, as well as the link to back it up. Cheers.



Ah, yes, the same Clapper I linked as being quoted as " James Clapper, have embraced the concerns laid out in the Steele dossier of possible — but still unproven — collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."? Though, my link is December, yours back in May of last year. Both show his support of using what's in there, though mine is more recent and reflects my statement that things are still unproven. Yours doesn't counter that. Still, I appreciate the citing of references, so thanks for that.

One last point, I don't believe only Trump and the rest you listed. I hear things and read things from all perspectives so I can make my own opinion. I prefer to hear the facts and choose for myself what to believe. I've never claimed Trump is clean, only that a lot of what's been put forth by the Democrats is unsubstantiated and, for lack of a better term, unproven.

Well if that's true that you listen to the facts then you would know that Donald Trump is a liar who lies pretty much about everything... Alternative facts?

 

[Xorkoth]

Question TLB: you mention the old "why if there have been 33 indictments is there nothing on Trump yet?" regarding the investigation. But don't you think it seems like it may come very soon, with Cohen's cooperation? Cohen strongly suggests that he has damning information on Trump. And Mueller very likely was waiting until after midterm elections to avoid seeming like he was playing politics. Besides, the same argument I've always made, high-level criminal investigations, especially ones as delicate as this, take time. You build a case step by step, starting at the bottom and working up. I don't know for sure if he's guilty either I just really don't understand that argument you (and many others) have made as some sort of strong evidence that he's innocent.

 

[DrewDogBaby209]

Question TLB: you mention the old "why if there have been 33 indictments is there nothing on Trump yet?" regarding the investigation. But don't you think it seems like it may come very soon, with Cohen's cooperation? Cohen strongly suggests that he has damning information on Trump. And Mueller very likely was waiting until after midterm elections to avoid seeming like he was playing politics. Besides, the same argument I've always made, high-level criminal investigations, especially ones as delicate as this, take time. You build a case step by step, starting at the bottom and working up. I don't know for sure if he's guilty either I just really don't understand that argument you (and many others) have made as some sort of strong evidence that he's innocent.

Just because they have not taken him down yet does not mean he's innocent maybe they are saving the worst for last

 

[Xorkoth]

My point exactly, I'm just wondering why some people try to suggest it does mean he's innocent especially since Mueller's investigation is known to be pretty much leak-proof, and they wouldn't purposely come out with any accusations before they dropped the hammer.

 

[TheLoveBandit]

Fair question. My thoughts are that the 33 charges so far are so far from Trump, they are both actual charges for misdeeds by those accused (I'm saying current charges are valid against Trump associates), but that they are leverage on those persons to try and get more about Trump (saying that deals will be made to try and get more out of those persons in an effort to get Trump). The point here being IF Mueller had something, he wouldn't need to bend people over to find things. The other point here being those willing to 'work with Mueller' are likely stalling, dangling 'info' in an effort to lessen their own charges, but there has been nothing shared to this date that had lit up the Mueller team with excitement. I think we can all agree that to date, a lack of evidence or even possible wrongdoing is not proof of innocence. It isn't proof of anything really, other than a lack of evidence or even possible wrongdoing. Such information could be found, or may have already, but there is nothing to date that says 'guilty'.

As to being leak-proof, :sigh: How much has the gov't been leak proof to this point? On anything? Look at anything that's been done in the past 3y, and of the things not (intentionally) leaked but eventually brought to light (by declassification) point to collusion against Trump. The things leaked? Intentional by those creating the 'collusion' story, and later exposed as not shown to be based on facts (see Steele dossier).

If Mueller can bring out something, anything of substance, I'll be right there with the rest of you saying to hang Trump. To date, nothing has been presented to paint him guilty. And, by all indications, Mueller has nothing to date. It could be that things are being kept under wraps until the hammer falls. If so, kudos to the team for keeping something silent for so long. Until they bring something out, I'm looking at wishful thinking by never-Trumpers, sitting on a fair assessment of what's been put out there. Hey, Mueller, give us anything to change what's out there for evaluation. Anything.

 

[JessFR]

You don't charge the president until you're absolutely sure you have all your ducks in a row. The legal system moves slowly at the best of times.

I don't think you can take much of anything, good or bad, from the fact trump hasn't been charged with anything yet.

Personally I'm satisfied with just waiting and seeing how it plays out. Without trying to make predictions without having seen what mueller has seen yet.

That said. Trumps behavior regarding this whole affair strikes me as someone who's afraid there might be something to find. But on the other hand, like any good narcissist trump hates any form of defiance, and hates anything he can't completely control. He'd probably behave like this even if he honestly thought there was nothing to find. So again, little can be taken from it one way or the other.

 

[Xorkoth]

Manafort Lies about Sharing Polling Data With Russian

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort shared polling data during the 2016 presidential campaign with a business associate accused of having ties to Russian intelligence, and prosecutors say he lied to them about it, according to a court filing Tuesday.

The allegation marks the first time that prosecutors have accused Trump's chief campaign aide of sharing information related to the election with his Russian contacts. Although the filing does not say whether the polling information was public or what was done with it, it raises the possibility that Russia might have used inside information from Trump's Republican campaign as part of its effort to interfere with the election on Trump's behalf.

The information was accidentally revealed in a defense filing that was meant to be redacted. The Associated Press was able to review the material because it wasn't properly blacked out.

It continues. Basically, Manafort shared polling data on the 2016 election with the Russians. Why would you need to do such a thing at all, unless it was to help the Russians gain information about the current presidential election? And if he was doing that, is it really reasonable to make the assumption that Trump would have had no idea about it? Or is it more reasonable to think that he was doing it on behalf of Trump?

 

[Xorkoth]

Donald Trump's Border Speech Gets A Savage Instant Fact-Check On Fox News

Critics immediately panned President Donald Trump’s prime-time speech pushing for a U.S.-Mexico border wall for its numerous lies and misrepresentations, even on the president’s favorite network.

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith challenged many of Trump’s claims by using the government’s own numbers.

After Trump said that “innocent people” are being “horribly victimized” by immigrants who commit crimes, Smith quickly added perspective.

“The government’s statistics show that there is less violent crime by the undocumented immigrant population than by the general population,” he said.

Trump also argued for his wall by saying that immigrants carry illegal drugs across the border, but Smith pointed out that a wall wouldn’t make much difference there.

“Government statistics show much of the heroin actually comes not over the unguarded border but through ports of call,” he said.

Smith continued:

“He talks about undocumented crossings over the past months. In fact, the number of undocumented crossings over the southern border has been steadily down over the last 10 years and the government reports that there is more outward traffic than inward traffic.”

Smith also pushed back on Trump’s claims that Mexico will pay for the wall via a revised trade deal.

So basically even Fox is calling out his shit. Basically undermining the hysteria he and some others are trying to cause about immigrants.

 

[Xorkoth]

Trump Threatens to halt FEMA funding for California wildfires

President Trump threatened to cut federal emergency funding for California’s firefighters in the middle of a partial government shutdown.

On Wednesday morning, Trump complained that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) sends billions of dollars to California to fight fires that are the result of poor forest management.

“Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forrest [sic] fires that, with proper Forrest [sic] Management, would never happen. Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money!” Trump tweeted.

Based on Trump’s phrasing, it’s unclear whether he meant that he has already ordered the funding to stop until the issue is addressed or if he would order the funding to stop if the issue isn’t addressed.

When reached for comment, the FEMA news desk responded with a boilerplate email about the partial government shutdown, which is the result of an impasse over the proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It read: “Thank you for contacting the Federal Emergency Management Agency Press Office. Due to the federal funding hiatus, we are not able to respond to general press queries.”

California Gov. Gavin Newsom responded on Twitter that the people of California and the town of Paradise in particular should not be the victims of partisan bickering. Paradise was incinerated in the Camp Fire last November, and suffered a death toll of 86 people.

“Disasters and recovery are no time for politics. I’m already taking action to modernize and manage our forests and emergency responses,” Newsom said.

It continues.

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Humorously, he misspelled "forest" twice in the same tweet.

 

[JessFR]

Trumps the greatest at spelling. He's the world's best speller.

It's the dictionary that's wrong.

 

[Xorkoth]

And then he deleted it after a bunch of people made fun of him and re-posted it with forest spelled right except still randomly capitalized for no reason.

 

[cduggles]

The worst part is that this is all about "land management" (aka logging), an industry that lobbies the Republicans bigtime.

I had a couple of articles from Trump and Zinke (former utterly corrupt Secretary of the Interior) visiting the site of the wildfire in CA and going on about land management rather than climate change. Think Trump talking about the Finnish people raking the forest floor.

To go to the site of a wildfire, see that utter destruction, and then just lie for dollars is something.

 

[Xorkoth]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a hell of a drug...