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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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In America.. You get to say America fucking sucks. Thats what's great about America.
So let me get this straight...Saying "America sucks" is ok, but "Go back where you come from" is disallowed aha.
This is why President Trump was elected. People have had a gut-full of leftist hypocrisy, double standards, pretentious outrage and related PC obsession.
 
So let me get this straight...Saying "America sucks" is ok, but "Go back where you come from" is disallowed aha.
This is why President Trump was elected. People have had a gut-full of leftist hypocrisy, double standards, pretentious outrage and related PC obsession.

Just because some people hate Donald Trump doesnt mean they hate America. I think its pretty low to try and push forward the narative that if your not with Donald than the only other category is being Anti-American.

Also i don't see how "America.. You get to say America fucking sucks. Thats what's great about America" is really anything to consider great when you can do the same in almost all western counties.. (UK,AUS,CANADA,NEW ZEALAND ect) can all say there counties suck. America isnt the only country with free speach lol
 
Judging by his tweets, do you think he will be temp-banned within a week?

Up to the mods, how well he stays within the rules, how the mods view his posts and apply the rules. If I had to bet, yeah, he'd be temp banned before long, most likely. Folks without filters ('doctors without borders' is in my head) don't tend to last long on this site in general.

I'd perma-locate him to The Lounge.

That could be amusing, especially in earlier era TL climates. Today, I'm thinking he wouldn't last long there either.

Also i don't see how "America.. You get to say America fucking sucks. Thats what's great about America" is really anything to consider great when you can do the same in almost all western counties.. (UK,AUS,CANADA,NEW ZEALAND ect) can all say there counties suck. America isnt the only country with free speach lol

Because America sucks bigger and better (worser?) than all those other countries. 'Merica, we can out-suck anyone, yeah!
 
Not thick skinned enough for it. He'd pull a Pete and ghost. It would be hilarious though.

You're probably right. Maybe he'd ask NSA to kill the site, since the courts said he can't block followers on twitter and BL would remain a threat to his ego? Or he could send ICE to break us up and send us back to ...wait, we're already home.
 
So let me get this straight...Saying "America sucks" is ok, but "Go back where you come from" is disallowed aha.

Dude you can say whatever stupid nonsense you like in a public setting.

Just because some people hate Donald Trump doesnt mean they hate America. I think its pretty low to try and push forward the narative that if your not with Donald than the only other category is being Anti-American.

Also i don't see how "America.. You get to say America fucking sucks. Thats what's great about America" is really anything to consider great when you can do the same in almost all western counties.. (UK,AUS,CANADA,NEW ZEALAND ect) can all say there counties suck. America isnt the only country with free speach lol

All in all those are pretty great countries too relative to most of world history.

Though personally I don't consider Australia to have the kind of free speech America has. And I won't so long as there are laws against causing offense to any specific group of people.

I'd still say Australia's great in as much as any country is great. I just don't hold high regard to the way they seem to interpret freedom of speech as freedom to say what you want so long as it's not offensive to aboriginals.
 
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I agree Trump may well have pushed the line further than it had been, but I'd argue it isn't a one man show. Prior to his even running for election there was such lies and fighting by both parties steadily escalating. He owns the title for 'schoolboy taunts', IMO. The concept of 'obvious lies to be spun out in a constant stream' has been equaled by the left and MSM.

Agreed. Trump has jumped on that train and is making it worse, but it has been going on and being perpetuated by both parties for a long time now. I first noticed it getting bad in the GW Bush era. They're all to blame and so are we for buying into it.

People who say if you're not happy with your country you should leave can get fucked.

Progress in society can't happen if everyone in that society is required to already believe it's perfect to remain in it. It's bullshit.

In America.. You get to say America fucking sucks. Thats what's great about America.

Agreed also. Basically saying "if you're not happy, leave" is opposing freedom of thought and the ability to effect change. Someone can disapprove of their country and still love their country and desire things to change, and that is as American as it gets. Telling someone like that to leave is essentially telling them they have no right to desire things to improve.
 
Just because some people hate Donald Trump doesnt mean they hate America
It was in the context of the "the squad" of America-hating socialists. As in: NO TRUMP, NO WALL, NO USA AT ALL...

@JessFR " I don't consider Australia to have the kind of free speech America has. And I won't..." I could not agree more.
Australia is leaning more and more towards imitating the UK.
 
Yes, no doubt.
I don't often look at his twitter feed, but maybe you are aware of something he has said in contravention of BLUA?
Don't you think it is a rather peculiar scenario where the President of the United States is likely to be temp banned on BL? ?

We at BL have higher standards than simply leading the greatest nation to ever exist in the free world ('Merciuh!!'). Quite elementary, actually.
 
Not sure if this was posted in the discussion as yet. A bit long, written with a conservative slant, but manages to objectively evaluate Trump's actions and call him out along with calling out a lot of the players in this episode:

Trump and the ‘Racist Tweets’

There’s a difference between racist and just stupid.
What does “racist” even mean anymore?

Racism is the headline on President Trump’s Sunday tweets — the media-Democrat complex assiduously describes them as “racist tweets” as if that were a fact rather than a trope. I don’t think they were racist; I think they were abjectly stupid.

Like many Americans, I am tired of being lectured about racism by racists and racialists, individuals whose full-field explanation for all life’s issues is this matter of genetic happenstance that should be increasingly irrelevant in a pluralistic society.

Is it “racist” to tell people who have contempt for the country — who abhor the common culture that makes us American — that they ought to go back to where they came from? It has nativist and reactionary overtones, but I don’t think it is racist. I’ll grant this much, though: It is closer to actual racism than the Left’s usual demagogic claim: I am a racist if I extend to a non-white nincompoop like Ilhan Omar the courtesy of taking her seriously as an individual and a public official, as if it were her race rather than the idiocy of what she says that moves me to dissent.

It would be racist to tell the progressive “Squad” that they don’t belong in our country because of their race or ethnic roots. I don’t understand Trump to have done that. He is attacking their radicalism, which they wear like a badge of honor.

I don’t believe Trump is a master strategist who did this to force Speaker Pelosi and other mainstream Democrats, at their electoral peril, to embrace the radicals. That’s just the lemonade that Trump supporters are trying to make of the president’s never-ending supply of lemons. In any event, while it is beneath a president to carp in Trump’s juvenile way, I have less heartburn in principle with a president’s attacking radicalism than I do with a congresswoman’s claim that any criticism of her is an implicit criticism of immigrants, women, black people, etc.

The real problems here, in 2020 terms, are the stupidity and insensitivity of the president’s Twitter twaddle.

To tell people who are natural-born Americans that they ought to go back to the country where they originally came from is so ignorant that I would be humiliated if it were said by a child for whom I was responsible. Three of the congresswomen Trump was clearly alluding to (despite his craven insistence on Monday that he hadn’t mentioned any names) are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, from Yorktown Heights by way of Parkchester (the Bronx neighborhood where I grew up); Rashida Tlaib of Detroit; and Ayanna Pressley of Chicago by way of Cincinnati. They are Americans born and bred. Representative Omar is a naturalized American from Somalia, who appears to have dabbled in some immigration and tax fraud (you’re evidently a racist if you mention that), but whose politics, like

those of the rest of the Squad, ooze the post-sovereign, post-citizenship, blame-America-first-ism that students imbibe on typical American college campuses.

Yet, Trump said they were from “countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they have a functioning government at all).” This is indefensible jackassery. It is not an excuse that the president would have been on solid ground if he had said the congresswomen were apologists for such countries. He said they were from such countries and ought to go back to them.

Presidents can’t make mind-blowing errors like that and expect to remain politically viable. Trump so basks in the huzzahs of his blindly loyal base that he appears blind himself to the fact that even people who support many of his policies, and who find today’s Democrats unacceptable, do not want to be embarrassed — do not want to be put constantly in the position of trying to rationalize his antics.

Sensitivity is a more subtle issue, but it is important. People such as your humble correspondent can rail all day about the Left’s race obsession, its identity politics, and its policy inanities. That does not make the acceptance of these things by a disturbingly large plurality of Americans any less a fact of life.

It is a fact of life because the mainstream of America, without a fight, has handed over the institutions of learning and opinion to anti-American leftists for going on three generations. That is how you end up with Trump. Most Americans — though it is not the clear majority it used to be — still love the country. For all his flaws, the president calls out anti-Americanism publicly. Particularly compared with Democrats, Trump appeals to people who love the country, not because it was founded by white Judeo-Christians, but because its colorblind ideals are worth loving, even if we have frequently failed to live up to them.

The result of the Left’s inroads in the culture is that, for many, victimhood is the glue of their identity-politics ideology. They are on a hair trigger to perceive racism. Yes, they are being hypersensitive, either for political advantage or because they actually feel that way. Still, that does not make their wayward beliefs any less real.

The president is president of those people, too, regardless of whether they accept him as such. Of course he won’t be able to bring most of them around. In terms of his viability, though, he needs to be seen by the broad middle of the country as wanting to be everyone’s president. The thing many of us most despise about the Left is its divisive politics, its determination not just to win but to destroy opponents — for the in terrorem effect or, it seems at times, for sheer sport. To me, it is not a selling point that Trump is willing to do to the Left what the Left does to us. I want to fight them; I don’t want to be them.

Convincing one’s opponents that they should rethink their positions is the hard work of persuasion. You are not going to get there, especially as president, by insulting them, by making them political piñatas for your base. That is simply going to harden the opposition of the people already opposed — when the president should be using an improved economy to woo them. Worse, it is going to drive to the opposition people who despair over whether we can ever be a unified country again.

I am not saying those people are going to find solace in opposition. I am saying some percentage of them, maybe a large one, will be so incensed that voting for Trump will not be an option for them.

I don’t pay much attention to Trump’s tweets anymore. Like most people I’m inured to them. Plus, as I’ve said a million times, two words explain why — by what is a near miracle of the electoral map — he won in 2016: Hillary Clinton. It looks like Democrats are even crazier now than they were then, so the president has a chance to be reelected. But his policy successes are discounted by his personal flaws. He can’t afford to lose the potential supporters his barroom-brawler routine is alienating.

All in all, there is a calling out of the left's over (mis) use of racism, repeatedly pointing out how self defeating Trump's tactics are, and ends with crediting his Presidency to two words "Hillary Clinton" who won't be there next time.

A few phrasings that tickled me:

I don’t believe Trump is a master strategist who did this to force Speaker Pelosi and other mainstream Democrats, at their electoral peril, to embrace the radicals. That’s just the lemonade that Trump supporters are trying to make of the president’s never-ending supply of lemons.


To tell people who are natural-born Americans that they ought to go back to the country where they originally came from is so ignorant that I would be humiliated if it were said by a child for whom I was responsible.

Yet, Trump said they were from “countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they have a functioning government at all).” This is indefensible jackassery. It is not an excuse that the president would have been on solid ground if he had said the congresswomen were apologists for such countries. He said they were from such countries and ought to go back to them.
 
I agree that people overuse the term racism sometimes...but that newest shit he said actually is racist.
 
I’ll grant this much, though: It is closer to actual racism than the Left’s usual demagogic claim
Closer to actual racism? The author literally just admitted that he can't define racism.


It is important to distinguish different kinds or degrees, if you will, of racism. Slavery for example is different than Jim Crow laws.

What Trump said about our American citizens going back to fix their own issues would be third degree racism, according to this article:

Racism in the Third Degree: Separate but Equal
"... Of course racism is bad, but why can’t I just be friends with people like me and why can’t those people over there deal with their own problems?"
 
He is attacking their radicalism, which they wear like a badge of honor.
This is why I think some people are so scared to call it racism; they are afraid of looking like them. It's a sign that fascism is indeed alive and well.
 
I can be very abrasive. Sometimes it is called for.
The leftist compulsion to obsessively seek and find evidence of what they imagine to be racism is a cancer. Leftist PC culture is reprehensible.

In the UK, 1000s of vulnerable girls have been repeatedly (gang) raped by groups of mostly immigrant men over a 20+ year period, whilst authorities looked the other way.
Why? Because they did not want to be seen as racist. Astonishingly, the police and politicians cared more about what leftist imbeciles might think and say, instead of the welfare of gang-raped children.

Loony leftist activists promote the very conditions that lead to industrial-scale child-abuse, and they do not care.
Those rapes go on at this very moment not only in the UK, but all over Europe, whilst leftists shout "RACIST" at those who point to the problems.
President Trump is our "FUCK YOU" to the mindless depravity of the left.

When you screech "Racist" at us, you are disgracing your soul.
 
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