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The 2019 Trump Presidency Thread

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You're right, I wasn't focused on the judges aspect, I was more looking at the thread topic of Trump Presidency and the common cry from the right that Obama over reached a lot. That was the point I took in and tried to address. Missed your specific request completely. Yay me!
 
All presidents over reach. It goes all the way back to the 2nd presidents sedition act. It's practically tradition. And to this day over reaching quasi constitutional actions are one of the biggest criticisms I have against the Obama administration.

But something where I'll be much more understanding of Obama, and of George Bush for that matter. Is right or wrong, good or bad, I honestly believe they were both trying their best to be good presidents. That doesn't excuse everything, but seeing as I value intent over actions, it helps a lot with me being less hostile to both of their presidencies.

Trump is different. Trump is the first president in my lifetime where I'm absolutely convinced he's not genuinely trying to be the best leader of the country as he can be. That he's totally in this for himself.

Which is why I'm likely to be more critical of even relatively good decisions made by him (not that it comes up much) than I might have been to bush or Obama.
 
So your saying trump is being a bad president just because he can hes a cunt just be because he can be ok then fair enough
 
Pete556 said:
So your saying trump is being a bad president just because he can hes a cunt just be because he can be ok then fair enough
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No I'm saying trumps a bad president because trumps a bad person. And I'm saying that I am very forgiving of bad actions taken with good intentions. And far less forgiving of bad actions taken with malicious intent.

I believe trumps a bad person. He's selfish, egotistical, narcissistic. The kinda boss who'd be a nightmare to work for. The kinda person who's horrible to be around because he always has to be right. And twists reality to the point of delusion to feed their ego.

People like trump are highly destructive. I hate people like that. And yeah, I'd want him out of office pretty much no matter what does
 
I don't know. I wasn't able to work out exactly what you were saying in your last post. So I can't really say if it accurately reflects my views or not.

Which is why I simply elaborated on them instead.
 
Oh y'all talking about the judicial thing. I tend to side with the left on this one. 3 branches of gov't mean they all don't undermine each other; they prop each other up.

Trump's democratically destructive activities have to end. Perhaps this is testing the limits of democracy and making our democracy stronger for the long haul but I'd like to think it's short-term hurting things.
 
Pete556 said:
Soo yes you confirmed you are saying exactly that lol
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She's saying that if one president overreaches executive power because they believe a previous wrong has been done and are trying to undo it for what they believe is the good of the country, even though they shouldn't abuse their power, it's much better than another president who is overreaching their power because they want to keep more power for themselves because they want power. She is saying she believes Trump just wants more power, now that he is in power, and that makes it worse than if he was doing it because he honestly believed it was best for the country if the president had more power than judges. So although it's a belief based on thinking Trump is a bad person, it's not just a bash of Trump, it's an honest assessment of perceived intent.

It DOES seem like he just wants to consolidate more power in his own presidency. He constantly criticized past presidents for overreaching their power, yet he does it now that he's president whenever he wants. He also "joked" that we should make it possible for presidents to serve more than 2 terms, which is either a bad joke or it's indicative of his desire to alter US constitution and laws to keep himself in power.

Maybe you believe he is not doing these things but you have to admit it's something to think about, and that it makes sense why people would wonder whether he's trying to abuse his presidential power for selfish reasons.
 
I don't get the sense Reps love him. My impression, but they are tolerating him because it's better than siding with the Dems.

If we look at what Trump is doing - is the question if he is doing it to benefit himself, or to benefit (as he sees it) America? I believe that is the question, is it not? I expect anyone can find a path that anything a person does is done to benefit themselves - it's like manipulating statistics to get the answer you want. But, at a realistic look, is he acting to benefit himself, his party, to undermine the Democrats?

Talks with Korea....this benefits him how?
Trade war with China - done to improve his personal pocket, or American businesses?
Moving the military towards Iran - a personal interest, or for America's interests?
The border wall, I can see the personal gain in achieving a platform promise when he was running and not having that addressed serves a personal plus or minus. But how much does an influx of illegal aliens effect him and his personal empire vs America, her ability to support those in need (Americans vs Americans+Aliens), etc?

I believe he is acting in what he believes is America's best interest. Others will disagree, or not, but I believe he has the right intent. We will all have different views on if those actions are the right ones, but it is not clear that all of America is aligned on the approach to any given issue. Take immigration, the left says let them in, the right says to keep them out. Trump was elected by the right and is going for what they want.

The guy is undeniably an egotistical narcissist. But his policies, I think, are more shaped by what he believes he was elected to put in place as opposed to what serves him personally.
 
This agenda serves Trump personally to get him re-elected. He has no coherent idea of what to do.

And how many people want Jim Mattis back as secretary of defense rn? I think a lot.

Too bad Trump has replaced individuals with expertise like Mattis with sycophants.
 
Shadowmeister said:
She's saying that if one president overreaches executive power because they believe a previous wrong has been done and are trying to undo it for what they believe is the good of the country, even though they shouldn't abuse their power, it's much better than another president who is overreaching their power because they want to keep more power for themselves because they want power. She is saying she believes Trump just wants more power, now that he is in power, and that makes it worse than if he was doing it because he honestly believed it was best for the country if the president had more power than judges. So although it's a belief based on thinking Trump is a bad person, it's not just a bash of Trump, it's an honest assessment of perceived intent.

It DOES seem like he just wants to consolidate more power in his own presidency. He constantly criticized past presidents for overreaching their power, yet he does it now that he's president whenever he wants. He also "joked" that we should make it possible for presidents to serve more than 2 terms, which is either a bad joke or it's indicative of his desire to alter US constitution and laws to keep himself in power.

Maybe you believe he is not doing these things but you have to admit it's something to think about, and that it makes sense why people would wonder whether he's trying to abuse his presidential power for selfish reasons.
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Yeah trump is a cunt basically thats what she said you both just used different words and more details all im hearing is trumps a cunt your saying it jess is saying it cduggles the love bandit and captain H is definitively saying it Trumps a cunt trumps a cunt you know what when you really think about it trump is a cunt
 
To your point TLB, I think there are some things he's done that could easily be interpreted as not for his own benefit (though you could also interpret it as performing actions that make him more popular and thus more likely to be re-elected - but I am not going to make a c;laim either way). But I think the specific issue being discussed is his intention in his move to limit the power of judges/increase the power of the executive branch, not things like talks with N Korea or the trade war. I suppose the argument could be made that he believes he would make better decisions than the judicial branch, but it's also difficult to not see that it could easily be simply an attempt to consolidate his own power. Again, just this one particular thing.

Just looking back and Trump's rhetoric over the decades, well before he was considering running for office, I do think he is interested in America regaining #1 superpower status, independently from his own personal desires for himself. Whether this is for egotistical purposes or benevolent purposes is relatively irrelevant because either way I don't think he's knowingly making decisions to weaken the US (even though some of them, IMO, do weaken our position).
 
Chris Wallace on Fox News exclusive interview with AG Barr: ‘He clearly is protecting this president’

“Fox News Sunday” anchor Chris Wallaceweighed in on the Fox News exclusive interview with Attorney General William Barr, saying Friday that Barr “clearly is protecting this president and advocating his point of view.”

Speaking on “America’s Newsroom,” Wallace said, “What really comes across to me most of all is that for two years, Donald Trump sat there and said I don't have an attorney general, I don't have somebody out there looking for and protecting my interests. He clearly has that now with Bill Barr.”

“Not saying that Barr isn't right in everything he says, but he clearly is protecting this president and advocating his point of view on a lot of these issues.”

“And I suspect that President Trump, who probably has watched some of this interview himself, is saying finally, 'No Jeff Sessions, Bill Barr instead,'” Wallace added.

During the sit-down with Fox News anchor Bill Hemmer – Barr’s first TV interview since becoming attorney general – Barr said the country must know “exactly what happened” with counterintelligence activities conducted during the 2016 election -- and that he is determined to get to the bottom of the case.
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(Article cont. at link; video at link)

I like watching Chris Wallace. Good interviewer.
 
Pete556 said:
Yeah trump is a cunt basically thats what she said you both just used different words and more details all im hearing is trumps a cunt your saying it jess is saying it cduggles the love bandit and captain H is definitively saying it Trumps a cunt trumps a cunt you know what when you really think about it trump is a cunt
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Is there something wrong with that? People are allowed to dislike the president. People are allowed to vote against a president they dislike.

And in addition to disliking trump, I listed some ways in which the things I dislike about him also double as reasons he makes a bad president.
 
JessFR said:
Is there something wrong with that? People are allowed to dislike the president. People are allowed to vote against a president they dislike.

And in addition to disliking trump, I listed some ways in which the things I dislike about him also double as reasons he makes a bad president.
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i never said their was anything wrong with that i said fair enough

Pete556 said:
So your saying trump is being a bad president just because he can hes a cunt just be because he can be ok then fair enough
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I do appreciate some of the things that have happened under the Trump administration, like us standing up to China, Iran, the Right to Try act, and such, but there's a lot that they've done wrong, like blow up the nat'l deficit even more to pay for rich people's tax cuts DISGUSTING....
 
Yeah the tax cuts for the wealthy, and the dismantling of environmental protections are the two things I can't forgive, and they're the main reason I oppose Trump (to be fair, not just Trump but the whole movement in the GOP to accomplish these negative goals). Additionally I don't like trump as president because, as he is boorish, unlikeable and narcissistic, he reflects those same qualities on our country as a whole in the eyes of the world. And that counts for something. So yeah I don't like him because of his personality but I think it's valid to extend that dislike to his presidency because a ruler of a nation reflects on the people of that nation and influences that nation's reputation.
 
Like I said until we go to war with DPRK and we flatten the mountains that fat ass claims to have hiked, I won't be happy and Trump won't have secured my vote. And I meant it!

If we go to war with Iran I would be happy but I don't see it going that far. Someone's going to reel in the line before a fish bites. It always happens like that.
 
Shadowmeister said:
but it's also difficult to not see that it could easily be simply an attempt to consolidate his own power. Again, just this one particular thing.
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Yeah, and I get that. It's easy to see him trying to grab more power - but he's out of office in less than 2yrs. 6y if he is lucky enough to get re-elected. While I won't credit him with the forethought to give a sht about how this sets the President's power for those who follow him (and likely undo his efforts), he has to be aware this is a very limited gig for him and that power grab doesn't help him in the long run, or even the medium run. Moreover, if he had any clue to the power within gov't that has been allegedly wielded against him, he would have set to turning that power structure to his will, not 'draining the swamp' but filling it with his own swamp critters. I think anyone observing so far, while saying he's putting his pets in place (what President doesn't for the offices he can control), has to admit his people aren't politicians there to work the system. Mostly, so far, disposable space fillers. If he's looking for a power grab, he's doing it wrong, and it won't serve him long.
 
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