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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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DrewDogBaby209 said:
People with brown skin are NOT parasites. They come here and most of them work hard as fuck. His scare tactics will not work because good ALWAYS outweighs bad. Everything done in the dark will be brought to the light.

Trump is a very dangerous and horrible human being. We need to take everything that he says seriously. Please go out and vote.

Vote.
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Qft

The only good things Trump has done (ruin Iran, collaboration with Saudis, speeding up FDA approval for new drugs) will be carried over and continued by the Democrats.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The only good things Trump has done (ruin Iran, collaboration with Saudis, speeding up FDA approval for new drugs) will be carried over and continued by the Democrats.
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Do you honestly believe that? I don't. Democrats screwed the pooch with Iran prior to Trump's arrival. Moreover, do you think they will let ANYTHING Trump implemented remain moving forward, or more likely that they will try to undo EVERYTHING he put in motion? Democrat behaviour to this point is all about wiping Trump's existence from the American landscape by hook or by crook. If he cured cancer, I'm willing to be they'd try to re-institute it. It's insane how much hate there is, and I believe it will blind them from picking up anything that was good* from Trump's efforts.


*good being a subjective term, which I'm sure many will define as 'nothing Trump did was good'.
 
I doubt the Dems will go out of their way to help Iran. I have faith that both sides hate Islam fairly thoroughly and want to see most of the Middle East in shambles.

They won't undo speeding up FDA approval process (this is progress; I don't hear many calls for the Dems to undo this). Most of Trump's terrible ideas never came to fruition i.e. the border wall, and probably other ideas he only privately floated but I can imagine.

Have a little faith. Obama didn't stop bombing Pakistan, did he?

Any intelligent conservative realizes the military industrial complex is too big to fail and as long as we keep allowing centrist Democrats or any type of Republican into office, we'll still be marching strong into the light of the black sun.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Moreover, do you think they will let ANYTHING Trump implemented remain moving forward, or more likely that they will try to undo EVERYTHING he put in motion? Democrat behaviour to this point is all about wiping Trump's existence from the American landscape by hook or by crook.
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the irony of trump's actions and efforts to undo much of what obama achieved is not lost on me.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
the irony of trump's actions and efforts to undo much of what obama achieved is not lost on me.

alasdair
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To be fair the ACA has been a complete nightmare for America in many ways. I lamented its implementation before it went into effect and am not sure how I feel about it now, especially seeing how Obamacare does not at all help/cover me and it totally should. :|

What else did Trump try to undo other than the ACA? I'm sure there was something (probably a very long laundry list of things) but my fucked brain can't think of it.
 
^ off the top of my head:

  • the tpp
  • the paris climate agreement
  • rescinded obama memo providing civil rights acts to transgender workers
  • ended a rule that stopped employers from taking service worker's tips (just how incredibly fucking petty is that?)
  • canceled a dodd-frank provision that required financial advisors to act in their clients' best interests
  • reversed a policy allowing states to decide their own requirements for benefits recipients (fuck states' rights, right?)
  • repealed a bill requiring employers to maintain records of on the job injuries
  • sessions ordered federal prosecutors to seek the severest penalties possible (reversing obama-era policy)
  • reversed a ban on arctic drilling
  • ended an obama ban on mining companies dumping waste into streams
  • reversed a rule allow trans people to serve in the military
  • reversed obama-era net neutrality rules
  • reversed a rule requiring isps to seek permission before sellign personal information
  • reversed an obama rule barring lobbyists taking administration jobs
that's all i can think of for now but i'm confident there are many more...

alasdair
 
^ i worked in ny state one summer not that long ago. i was absolutely dependent on tips for living. you think employers should be able to take a cut of service workers tips, even if they receive minimum wage?

alasdair
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Do you honestly believe that? I don't. Democrats screwed the pooch with Iran prior to Trump's arrival. Moreover, do you think they will let ANYTHING Trump implemented remain moving forward, or more likely that they will try to undo EVERYTHING he put in motion? Democrat behaviour to this point is all about wiping Trump's existence from the American landscape by hook or by crook. If he cured cancer, I'm willing to be they'd try to re-institute it. It's insane how much hate there is, and I believe it will blind them from picking up anything that was good* from Trump's efforts.


*good being a subjective term, which I'm sure many will define as 'nothing Trump did was good'.
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Wow payback sucks... To be fair I remember telling my mom YEARS ago that if Obama had a cure for AIDS Republicans would vote against it. Awwwwww seems like just yesterday. Father God please help Democrats take everything that Trump has ruined and reverse it. Wow this is just like deja vu because I remember trump just recently trying to erase Obama since losing the popular vote. TLB... Do you remember that... I do????? Democrats erasing Trump feels so goooooood.... Payback is a bitch lol. Robert Mueller is coming after that ass
 
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alasdairm said:
^ i worked in ny state one summer not that long ago. i was absolutely dependent on tips for living. you think employers should be able to take a cut of service workers tips, even if they receive minimum wage?

alasdair
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Yes of course. It’s up to people to unionize or not take shitty jobs. Who is John Galt? The man with enough integrity to not work or contribute to society anymore.

I invite everyone to join me.
 
I feel like I explained my point enough. Perhaps I did not.

I guess I didn’t convince ya. ;) you’re a smart guy. Whatever you believe is probably the best course of action. I just think differently.

When off my phone and on a computer I can type more.
 
alasdairm said:
the irony of trump's actions and efforts to undo much of what obama achieved is not lost on me.

alasdair
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Aye, that's why I phrased it the way I did. Though, Trump rolling back Obama's policies wasn't personal inasmuch as it was a different view of how to do things, IMO. Yeah, Trump gets way more personal (petty) than most normal humans, but I see his roll backs driven by trying to put the country on a course for improvement different from what Obama envisioned, and a lot of Trumps direction leans heavily on playing the role he is used to bully (with other countries), financial (self-perceived) genius to improve the economy, etc.

However, when (not if) the Democrats regain the White House...what will we see? While Trump is in office, I see a lot of petty, counterproductive activity from the Democrats that do not lay a good foundation for when they are in the majority. There's so much emotion in their politics, I truly wonder how they will look at Trump policies. I'm sure they will roll back as much as possible, primarily as an effort to move the country back in the direction Obama was trying to take it...but how much will they do so out of hate for Trump? Will they simply say "Yay, we won, now we can redo what we envision"? Or will it be "elections have consequences" and more bully from their side? I don't see them hating Republicans as much, because they have to work with them going forward as long as we have a two party system; but I see Trump as an odd man out (yes, Republican, but not the face of the Republican side) so they can hate and roll back all his efforts as much as they want when they have majority.

Maybe it won't be personal for them when they replace Trump. A lot of what they do now IS personal, IMO. Not that he doesn't do (stupid, petty) personal shit himself. But as folks point out over and over...doesn't matter what the other side does, the question is how do you present yourself?
 
DrewDogBaby209 said:
Wow payback sucks... To be fair I remember telling my mom YEARS ago that if Obama had a cure for AIDS Republicans would vote against it. Awwwwww seems like just yesterday. Father God please help Democrats take everything that Trump has ruined and reverse it. Wow this is just like deja vu because I remember trump just recently trying to erase Obama since losing the popular vote. TLB... Do you remember that... I do????? Democrats erasing Trump feels so goooooood.... Payback is a bitch lol. Robert Mueller is coming after that ass
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I've avoided you in most of these threads - not because I think you're right or wrong, but the way you communicate doesn't give off the vibe that you want to discuss anything. It's more like you want to take your shots. :meh: Ok.

I will respond to this one, though, because you raise great points. I won't drop down into a line by line back and forth of specific points regarding Obama and Trump - I don't think either of us are well equipped for that, nor would it be very productive. I will state that I don't recall any President prior to Obama making such a divisive "fk you" kind of statement as he did when he indicated "elections have consequences" and other 'I won (shut up and suck it) type comments. Nor do I remember previous Presidents ramming through such drastic policies just because he had the majority to back him. Maybe it's a result of Bush, Clinton and the others having to deal with a more balanced, or opposing, Legislative branch so it wasn't as easy to accomplish for them as it was for Obama. Then again, he got around that. Many times, I watched Obama write executive orders and force his vision into place, and the rest of us had to shut up and take it? FTR, despite how this sounds, I don't hate Obama - my point is that he was the first to be so aggressive with his position. Which brings the counter to Obama of Trump.

Trump has, as you say, been erasing Obama's time in office. What Obama fans fail to realize, is that he set the precedent for being aggressive, using executive orders to force your way, and the general attitude that if you have the power - use it. If you don't have the power, push past the line and see who stops you. While Trump has always been a power tripping asshole, Obama is the one who made the Oval Office a place where you can wield immense power to your whims, something a power tripping asshole like Trump would likely have a hard time resisting. I think you'll fail to find much of Trump's roll backs by executive order, that weren't similar power trips by Obama to create by executive order.

Yeah, Trump's policies will will get undone just like Obama's. And as I mentioned, it's not how your opponent does things, it's how you carry yourself. Obama failed to respect the office and treat it properly, setting the stage for Trump to abuse it even worse. But here's what bothers me - we've seen it in the media and the way Democrats are playing petty political games (ie Kavanaugh); and we've seen it with Obama lowering the Presidential bar and Trump saying 'hold my beer' - what comes next? Regardless of which party takes the Presidency next, or after that one ... are our future Presidents ALL going to be individuals looking to ram thru their vision, undo whatever their predecessor did, and continue to lower the bar, and our respect for, the office of the President? Or can we get someone upstanding enough, level headed enough, to calm the waters and reverse this growing negative trend? I sincerely hope so, but I doubt it.

Go ahead and look forward with anticipation to someone undoing Trump's work. Maybe they restore some Obama policies, maybe they move in a different direction. Ask yourself, though, are rollbacks and 'suck it' type taunting what you're looking for? Or is it for someone willing to actually lead the people in the direction the people want to go? Self serving, or civil servant? I know what I'm hoping for. I'm not seeing anything to support that hope.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
Though, Trump rolling back Obama's policies wasn't personal inasmuch as it was a different view of how to do things, IMO.
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i have to disagree. trump carried on a campaign questioning whether obama was even an american citizen at all. that's got nothing at all to do with policy or a difference in political perspective.

he knows stocking fear using racism works in his base. it's come out today (source: the hill) that trump knew he was wrong and it was bad to pursue the claim but he did it anyway because "it works".

the lows to which trump has sunk us are new, and troubling.

alasdair
 
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TheLoveBandit said:
...he set the precedent for being aggressive, using executive orders to force your way, and the general attitude that if you have the power - use it.
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i don't think that's accurate at all. where does obama land on the list of presidents sorted by number of executive orders they signed? that's rhetorical :)

he's 16th (34.6 per year). for context, ronald reagan is 10th, george w bush is 13th and bill clinton is 11th.

trump is 27th but he's only been in office for 1 year and 9 months. i know it's hard to extrapolate but if trump continues at his current rate - and, like obama, he serves two terms - he'll end up 10th on the list (48 per year). he's doing a great job of signing executive orders for somebody who campaigned so loudly and vociferously against use of executive orders! obviously, like so many other things, it's only a problem for him when it's somebody else doing the doing...

alasdair
 
TheLoveBandit said:
...he set the precedent for being aggressive, using executive orders to force your way, and the general attitude that if you have the power - use it.
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alasdairm said:
i don't think that's accurate at all. where does obama land on the list of presidents sorted by number of executive orders they signed?
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i always thought obama did this because he was toeing the line when it came to the race card. he rolled over a lot but wouldn't exactly be pushed beyond a certain line to appease the masses yet still retain a dignity in office. to show there are better ways to handle conflict as opposed to headbutting, powermongering or a superior attitude. he exercised his executive power not to throw his weight around but to make decisions he could show the public what he was really trying to accomplish. the system above personal problems.

it could be my tainted view of obama as i viewed him more as the middle class yuppie next door type as opposed to some hateful, islamic, race card carrying jerk.
 
also obama had an obstructionist republican house and worked in an environment where it was near impossible to get things done. trump has a republican house and senate and still has to sign eos to get things done.

alasdair
 
TheLoveBandit said:
I've avoided you in most of these threads - not because I think you're right or wrong, but the way you communicate doesn't give off the vibe that you want to discuss anything. It's more like you want to take your shots. :meh: Ok.

I will respond to this one, though, because you raise great points. I won't drop down into a line by line back and forth of specific points regarding Obama and Trump - I don't think either of us are well equipped for that, nor would it be very productive. I will state that I don't recall any President prior to Obama making such a divisive "fk you" kind of statement as he did when he indicated "elections have consequences" and other 'I won (shut up and suck it) type comments. Nor do I remember previous Presidents ramming through such drastic policies just because he had the majority to back him. Maybe it's a result of Bush, Clinton and the others having to deal with a more balanced, or opposing, Legislative branch so it wasn't as easy to accomplish for them as it was for Obama. Then again, he got around that. Many times, I watched Obama write executive orders and force his vision into place, and the rest of us had to shut up and take it? FTR, despite how this sounds, I don't hate Obama - my point is that he was the first to be so aggressive with his position. Which brings the counter to Obama of Trump.

Trump has, as you say, been erasing Obama's time in office. What Obama fans fail to realize, is that he set the precedent for being aggressive, using executive orders to force your way, and the general attitude that if you have the power - use it. If you don't have the power, push past the line and see who stops you. While Trump has always been a power tripping asshole, Obama is the one who made the Oval Office a place where you can wield immense power to your whims, something a power tripping asshole like Trump would likely have a hard time resisting. I think you'll fail to find much of Trump's roll backs by executive order, that weren't similar power trips by Obama to create by executive order.

Yeah, Trump's policies will will get undone just like Obama's. And as I mentioned, it's not how your opponent does things, it's how you carry yourself. Obama failed to respect the office and treat it properly, setting the stage for Trump to abuse it even worse. But here's what bothers me - we've seen it in the media and the way Democrats are playing petty political games (ie Kavanaugh); and we've seen it with Obama lowering the Presidential bar and Trump saying 'hold my beer' - what comes next? Regardless of which party takes the Presidency next, or after that one ... are our future Presidents ALL going to be individuals looking to ram thru their vision, undo whatever their predecessor did, and continue to lower the bar, and our respect for, the office of the President? Or can we get someone upstanding enough, level headed enough, to calm the waters and reverse this growing negative trend? I sincerely hope so, but I doubt it.

Go ahead and look forward with anticipation to someone undoing Trump's work. Maybe they restore some Obama policies, maybe they move in a different direction. Ask yourself, though, are rollbacks and 'suck it' type taunting what you're looking for? Or is it for someone willing to actually lead the people in the direction the people want to go? Self serving, or civil servant? I know what I'm hoping for. I'm not seeing anything to support that hope.
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Finally after 6 years Obama woke up and realized Republicans were not going to give him any victories whatsoever so he took it upon himself to start doing executive orders which Trump bashed him constantly for but then turned around and signed TONS of executive orders when he got in office lol wow can't make this up. BTW Trump will NEVER erase Obama. Trump will go down in history as a narcissistic creepy haired piece of shit.

Do you know how many years Obama supporters watched Obama try to work with Republicans while we're yelling at the TV?.. "They're not going to work with you... wake up. They are trying to destroy you." And they tried everyday. And he still got the economy back up and rolling. The same economy Trump is trying to take credit for now. The same economy that was losing 750,000 jobs a month when Obama took office... which he turned around into positive job growth every month until he left.

"Our main goal is to make sure Obama is a one-term president." -Mitch McConnell

Oh... they tried so hard to achieve that. Never has any president ever been treated like that. I watched for eight years as they bashed this man and his beautiful black family daily. The Tea Party lynching dummys that look like a monkey Obama in trees like the KKK would do. Cartoons that try to make him look like a monkey. Calling his wife moooooochelle Obama and saying she looked like a man. Calling him a Muslim terrorist who is not a REAL American... daily. Oh I remember everything they did to that man. It was disgusting. And even after all of that abuse Obama still remained calm and cool. He still stood tall and strong. A very good proud and smart black man.

Hopefully after tomorrow Trump will have a democratic house to put him in check. Then he'll be able to feel exactly how Obama felt when trying to get anything he wants passed big or small. Watch the executive orders come rolling through. Watch.

Avoided me? That's fine. I have no enemies and waaaay too many friends and allies as it is. I'm not trippin' cuz I don't need anymore. I'm good. I'm not trying to be rude here but what gave you the impression that I wanted to discuss anything? I'm not going to change your mind and you definitely are not changing mine. There's nothing to discuss. Trump is a horrible human being. Most of the time I don't even think he's human.

Didn't you mention in another thread that for years you knew nothing about politics and only registered as a (R)epublican and voted for the candidate with the (R) next to their name because your name starts with an "R" ? I guess that would be good for Trump since he switched from a liberal to a (R)epublican.

I'm confused TLB you stick up for Trump all the time but then also say he's "petty" "childish" and an "asshole." Why would you support a person like that? That's kinda strange ya think?

Thanks alasdair! You are a very smart man. You are definitely more polite than I am when it comes to politics and I commend you for that. Im a very nice person outside of politics. I give to the poor and I donate to charity and K-love Christian radio monthly but discussing politics is rough business lol.

Vote please everyone. It's not to late.
 
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