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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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alasdairm said:
^ so 'draining the swamp' is actually filling the swamp then hoping it drains itself?
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More like offering people a plea deal to change their ways.

When Putin came into power Russia was a mess. He rounded up all the corrupt oligarchs and offered them an amnesty: they keep what they've amassed so far but from then on everyone plays by the book.
 
JGrimez said:
You still need to staff these positions with people that have sway and know what they're doing.
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yeah - winners like devos, pruitt, cohen, lewandowski, jim murphy, bill smith, brian ballard and a hundred other swamp-dwellers many of whom have either peddled access and influence into $$$ in and around trump's admin or simply seem in way over their heads.

#draintheswamp

alasdair
 
with his usual class, trump make memorial day about those we remember himself:

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what a douche.

alasdair
 
JGrimez said:
More like offering people a plea deal to change their ways.

When Putin came into power Russia was a mess. He rounded up all the corrupt oligarchs and offered them an amnesty: they keep what they've amassed so far but from then on everyone plays by the book.
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When Putin came into power Russia was an emerging oligarchy with a huge wealth inequality and human rights violations. Fast forward to present day and it still is. I wouldn't use Russian oligarchs (which by the way Trump is a part of) as an example of a good country operating by the rules.
 
Hardly a surprise. Trumps a narcissist, everything's always about him. There's never a bad time for him to talk about himself and how great he is.
 
JFK did appoint his brother attorney-general. Nepotism is nothing new in the states.

alasdairm said:
with his usual class, trump make memorial day about those we remember himself:

trumptweets11.jpg


what a douche.

alasdair
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Mind boggling esp in a nation as militarised as the US. Hopefully one of those 5star generals shits all over this.
 
JessFR said:
Yeah but not everywhere has been quite so blatant about it.
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and not as many candidates made a big point of saying they were going to 'take america back for the people' and 'drain the swamp' only to immediately turn around and sell out to the uber-rich and corporate interest :\

alasdair
 
Just logging in to let everyone know I saw GE0TUS last night in Nashville and it was glorious! The Marsha Blackburn shilling wasn?t my cup of tea and made for some awkward interactions. I saw a kid call Jim accosta ?fake news? to his face and that was pretty incredible! Good night all around ime
Hope trump fires Sessions!
 
"The quality of the people is very good. ... We’re trying very hard to get the best people. Not necessarily people that will be the most politically correct people, because that hasn’t been working. So we have really experts in the field. Some are known and some are not known, but they’re known within their field as being the best. That’s very important to me." donald trump, nyt, november 23 2016

alasdair
 
Now if only Trump could be relied upon to have an accurate assement of who is and isn't the best. Kinda all falls apart there.
 
JGrimez said:
One theory to explain the revolving door of staff is that Trump is giving these people a chance to alter their course and follow the new plan (less corruption = drain the swamp). If they prove disloyal or adhere to their previous agenda then Trump shows them the door. It would not be an easy choice to make - join Trump and if he fails then feel the wrath of the deep state that you've crossed. Otherwise if Trump wins this governmental war then the ones who betrayed him or bet against him might find themselves in a bit of trouble..
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This seems like a very ambitious grasping at straws. Do you really believe this?
 
Xorkoth said:
This seems like a very ambitious grasping at straws. Do you really believe this?
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Strikes me as desperation. I've said this before but I think nows a good time to say it again. I think that in the long term a lot of trump supporters will come to feel a profound sense of betrayal the likes of which many Obama supporters came to feel in the end.

They want so badly to believe trump will be different, but in the long run he will turn out to just be another scumbag politician. In it for what he can get out of it.

Right now they can still convince themselves there's still time, there will "still be time" right up until the end of his presidency. And only then will they realize the terrible truth. Like all those Obama supporters who convinced themselves for so long that society would forever change for the better under his presidency.

It's the same thing that happens every time with a political campaign that revolves around having people believe salvation is here and all they need to do is get their savior elected and then everything will be OK. Generally campaigns that are enormously driven by social media.

Credit where it's due, trump was one of the few times I've seen it done for the right. Since it's all about change and grass roots social media type stuff it's usually something you see from the left.
 
Xorkoth said:
This seems like a very ambitious grasping at straws. Do you really believe this?
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One time I heard a Trump supporter say that the reason Trump looks fat is because he wears body-armor underneath his suits. 8) They just make this stuff up. Asking whether they really believe it is the wrong question. It's a form of "bullshit," which Professor Harry Frankfurt described as follows:

It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.
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Source: On Bullshit

It's the same kind of thing as when a group of guys is hanging out, maybe having a few beers, and somebody starts telling the story about that time they all caught that 300lb fish. And even if all three of them had been there when the fish was caught, and all of them knew at the time that the fish was only about 60lbs, nobody objects to the factually inaccurate statement that it was a 300lb fish. Because the actual weight of the fish is irrelevant to them, they're suspending disbelief in order to connect with each other on an emotional level and share again in the joy they experienced that time they all went fishing and caught a big one. That's exactly how Trump supporters communicate with each other. Trump is their 300lb fish. Well, maybe more like a 320lb fish in his case, but you get my point.
 
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