LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
While I'm here I'd just like to remind spacejunk that I gave him the opportunity to back up one of his often-repeated, and very assured claims about Trump but he hasn't replied.
The 2018 Trump Presidency thread
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While I'm here I'd just like to remind spacejunk that I gave him the opportunity to back up one of his often-repeated, and very assured claims about Trump but he hasn't replied.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
He struck me as having horrible political instinct after Charlottesville and continued to disappoint me afterwards but the conference yesterday was brilliant and I am so excited for the extra money in Feb for 10 years. Go Tramp!
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
What about everything else? See earlier in the thread for a list of his achievements so far.
I don't think anyone has given him any credit for anything in this thread so far lol, except for me.
I don't think anyone has given him any credit for anything in this thread so far lol, except for me.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
I'm biased. I love he won, I dislike Democrats. I acknowledge the malaise I would have felt with Clinton is replaced with excitement for Trump.
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
The main thing I hate about trump is his egotistical narcissistic personality. I'd still hate that about him even if he were an excellent president with no attached controversy.
I absolutely do not think he's a genius though. I don't exactly think he's an idiot either, but genius I don't see.
I absolutely do not think he's a genius though. I don't exactly think he's an idiot either, but genius I don't see.
Morninggloryseed
Bluelight Crew
I think Im smarter than he is but I never met him. Never paid him any attention till 2015.
I explained to you that it is common decency (amongst people who appreciate the seriousness of sexual abuse) to not publicly doubt or attempt to contradict people alleging sexual assault/rape/abuse etc.
The claims are in the public record, but you're engaging in rape apologism here, so i'm not interested in playing.
Trump is a piece of shit. That's why so much absolute bullshit (there's no polite word for it, sorry) gets posted (here and elsewhere) in support this scummy old bigot. Most of what he says and
does is absolutely infefensible and embarassing.
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LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
And that's completely understandable. I wish people would recognize a positive action or result. Personally I do not care that much about the personality of a leader. Identity politics are killing our society and making people lose focus on what is really important. I was also never a fan of Trump the person before he got into politics.
You'll see eventually. Once the MSM stops doing the bidding of the intelligence agencies. Remember that a genius does not necessarily need to be eloquent.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
Your logic is faulty. You're saying that we should just trust the word of anyone that makes a sexual assault allegation, unquestioned? Why? I could say that you assaulted me and you do not get to defend yourself.
You seem unshakably certain that Trump is a serial sexual predator/rapist. All I asked was that you be able to back up your claim, as it is obviously based on something.
It should not be hard to present the strongest case of sexual assault against Trump.
Seriously? For fuck's sake.
The reason it is important to respect allegations of rape and sexual assault is that being dismissive of people brave enough to report sexual abuse (in case you don't realise this, reporting sexual assault to police us pretty fucking traumatic for most people).
Rape is under-reported. A lot of people can't face it, so they don't.
That's a problematic, because - you guessed it - the perpetrators tend to feel like they can rape/assault with impunity. (ahem -- "When you're a star, they let you do it" etc)
There is no reason to suspect that people would go through the humiliation of being interrogated (by police or defence lawyers) to make a fake rape claim.
It's actually really fucking offensive to suggest that.
Trump is a known pervert, a known power-tripper, a known misogynist, a known abuser of people.
You're defending the indefensible. Again.
You're also sailing really fucking close to posting full-blown misgogyny yourself. Might want to watch that mate.
Basically, fake rape claims are rare. They happen, but rarely.
Now - rape. Not rare at all. It's horrifyingly common.
So if you go around talking shit about people alleging rape or sexual assault, the chances are pretty high that you're takking shit about victims of rape and/or sexual assault.
Nobody is talking about denying due process to the orange racist. I wanna see him get his day in court. He's apparently doing everything he can to prevent that happening. Funny that.
And that, to use this term yet again, is indefensible.
The reason it is important to respect allegations of rape and sexual assault is that being dismissive of people brave enough to report sexual abuse (in case you don't realise this, reporting sexual assault to police us pretty fucking traumatic for most people).
Rape is under-reported. A lot of people can't face it, so they don't.
That's a problematic, because - you guessed it - the perpetrators tend to feel like they can rape/assault with impunity. (ahem -- "When you're a star, they let you do it" etc)
There is no reason to suspect that people would go through the humiliation of being interrogated (by police or defence lawyers) to make a fake rape claim.
It's actually really fucking offensive to suggest that.
Trump is a known pervert, a known power-tripper, a known misogynist, a known abuser of people.
You're defending the indefensible. Again.
You're also sailing really fucking close to posting full-blown misgogyny yourself. Might want to watch that mate.
Basically, fake rape claims are rare. They happen, but rarely.
Now - rape. Not rare at all. It's horrifyingly common.
So if you go around talking shit about people alleging rape or sexual assault, the chances are pretty high that you're takking shit about victims of rape and/or sexual assault.
Nobody is talking about denying due process to the orange racist. I wanna see him get his day in court. He's apparently doing everything he can to prevent that happening. Funny that.
And that, to use this term yet again, is indefensible.
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
Trust me the only thing that makes me think trump isn't a genius is trump. I barely pay any attention to the media, mainstream or otherwise.
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
In truth I couldn't tell you what reasons I have for my evaluation of his intelligence. Instinct I guess.
I consider intelligence to be your natural affinity for logical rational thinking and how fast you can make deductions from that. Evaluating that with someone in politics who has motive to constantly spew bullshit is very difficult. It's not easy to do with someone you haven't actually ever met.
But with those caveats in mind. Trump doesn't strike me as anything special. And even if he were, any benefit it might have bestowed is destroyed by his narcissism.
Even with excellent reasoning, logic and deduction skills it's all worthless if you never use it because you can't accept the possibility of ever being wrong and have a delusional level of self esteem and self capability.
And that we can tell trump has because of, well, everything he says ever.
You can't trust narcissists and people like trump have a delusional perception of reality resulting from their excessive self esteem. They only care about their mental image of themselves and ensuring the world and other people reenforce it.
That is why I hate trump. I'd hate him if he were a Democrat too. I'd probably hate him no matter what his politics were. It's him I don't like more than anything else.
I consider intelligence to be your natural affinity for logical rational thinking and how fast you can make deductions from that. Evaluating that with someone in politics who has motive to constantly spew bullshit is very difficult. It's not easy to do with someone you haven't actually ever met.
But with those caveats in mind. Trump doesn't strike me as anything special. And even if he were, any benefit it might have bestowed is destroyed by his narcissism.
Even with excellent reasoning, logic and deduction skills it's all worthless if you never use it because you can't accept the possibility of ever being wrong and have a delusional level of self esteem and self capability.
And that we can tell trump has because of, well, everything he says ever.
You can't trust narcissists and people like trump have a delusional perception of reality resulting from their excessive self esteem. They only care about their mental image of themselves and ensuring the world and other people reenforce it.
That is why I hate trump. I'd hate him if he were a Democrat too. I'd probably hate him no matter what his politics were. It's him I don't like more than anything else.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
OK so nothing, just more emotional hyperbole.
To assume I do not take sexual assault allegations seriously is mindless and a pathetic attempt at an ad hom.
Would you call a police officer investigating a rape case a misogynist for interviewing a victim to get her story straight?
What? Do you know how easy it is for a woman to make a false, vindictive claim against a man and completely ruin his life and reputation? I agree that we should err on the side of the victim, and the legal system does not operate in favor of victims, but then why do you deny the existence of false rape claims? Do you need me to post examples? You especially should be disgusted at people making false claims as they hurt the credibility of legitimate victims and their stories.
Now let's bring the dirty world of politics and large amounts of money into the mix - and I'm sure you can work out exactly why someone would make a false claim.
If you asked me to provide credible claims of Harvey Weinstein being a rapist I could quickly and easily find multiple accusations from credible victims.
When I ask you to do the same for Trump you go on an irreverent tirade and attack me personally.
Trump is known for being a womanizer and getting a lot of pussy. I don't care how jealous someone is regarding Trump's sexual conquests. Fucking a ton of women isn't illegal.
To assume I do not take sexual assault allegations seriously is mindless and a pathetic attempt at an ad hom.
Would you call a police officer investigating a rape case a misogynist for interviewing a victim to get her story straight?
What? Do you know how easy it is for a woman to make a false, vindictive claim against a man and completely ruin his life and reputation? I agree that we should err on the side of the victim, and the legal system does not operate in favor of victims, but then why do you deny the existence of false rape claims? Do you need me to post examples? You especially should be disgusted at people making false claims as they hurt the credibility of legitimate victims and their stories.
Now let's bring the dirty world of politics and large amounts of money into the mix - and I'm sure you can work out exactly why someone would make a false claim.
If you asked me to provide credible claims of Harvey Weinstein being a rapist I could quickly and easily find multiple accusations from credible victims.
When I ask you to do the same for Trump you go on an irreverent tirade and attack me personally.
Trump is known for being a womanizer and getting a lot of pussy. I don't care how jealous someone is regarding Trump's sexual conquests. Fucking a ton of women isn't illegal.
Who's talking shit? I asked you to back up your (much too often repeated) claims of Trump being a rapist. You should be happy to do so or you should refrain from perpetuating claims that you cannot verify.
Half the world and most of the current political establishment want to take him down. If they had any credible allegations against him they would be pushing it with all their might. Look at all the other politicians that recently had to step down due to these type of allegations. It would be an excellent way to get Trump removed, so why haven't they done it? And why do your refuse to substantiate your claims? Because the claims are full of shit and a disgusting way to use sexual assault allegations (which you claim to revere) to attack someone.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
Not a very good way to assess someone's intelligence. Also remember that psychopaths can be very intelligent. Intelligence does not equal morality.
Trump is a narcissist, but in reality most of us are narcissists, or at least narcissistic to a certain degree. Having an ego can be healthy, it is when it is coupled with a lack of empathy that we get seriously dangerous individuals.
Is it possible that someone you detest can do positive things that will benefit a large number of people?
Would you ever give that person credit even though you detest them?
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
I might give them credit for things they do right but I'd never trust them enough to want them to be in charge of anything.
And I disagree, most people aren't narcissists. Good, normal people are generally disinclined towards narcissism. But hypothetically, how normal it is is irrelivent. Even if nearly everyone were narcissistic I already strongly dislike almost everyone so that matters little to me.
Intelligence doesn't equal morality nor is intelligence all that relevant here. A good leader doesn't have to be super smart they have to have the right attitude. Know when to take advice. Narcissists can't do that because they can't stand feeling like someone is superior to them in any way. Which taking advice, in their mind anyway, would be admitting.
And I disagree, most people aren't narcissists. Good, normal people are generally disinclined towards narcissism. But hypothetically, how normal it is is irrelivent. Even if nearly everyone were narcissistic I already strongly dislike almost everyone so that matters little to me.
Intelligence doesn't equal morality nor is intelligence all that relevant here. A good leader doesn't have to be super smart they have to have the right attitude. Know when to take advice. Narcissists can't do that because they can't stand feeling like someone is superior to them in any way. Which taking advice, in their mind anyway, would be admitting.
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You know what?
I explained in the post you're quoting why it isn't "easy". It's the opposite of easy.
Your statement is false and offensive in its willful ignorance.
But you've just shown me again why it's not worth discussing this with you.
I think you see yourself as a culture warrior for this toxic trump clown.
LiquidMethod
Ex-Bluelighter
Alright, you can continue to call Trump a rapist.
Can I call you a rapist?
My female friend says that you raped her.
If you question her story or accuse her of lying that just makes you more guilty of misogyny.
I'll drop this now but do you get the point?
If you want to keep making a claim then be willing to back it up, or you are just regurgitating propaganda.
Can I call you a rapist?
My female friend says that you raped her.
If you question her story or accuse her of lying that just makes you more guilty of misogyny.
I'll drop this now but do you get the point?
If you want to keep making a claim then be willing to back it up, or you are just regurgitating propaganda.
I said alleged rapist.
Honestly, if you can't discuss the senile old creep without echoing his misogynistic garbage, you're better off just not posting at all.
Saying vile things about rape survivors causes real people genuine harm.
It decreases the odds of people who are raped and sexually assaulted, because they expect to be doubted.
I've already explained to you that rape is grossly under-reported.
But i suspect you don't care. It's all an ideological battleground for you.
But you know, it's really fucking low to talk about rape survivors like that. You clearly have very little insight or empathy.
Really, you trump people make me sick.
I strongly dislike hilary clinton, but she got one thing right: deplorable is the right word for this sort of backwards bullshit.
Honestly, if you can't discuss the senile old creep without echoing his misogynistic garbage, you're better off just not posting at all.
Saying vile things about rape survivors causes real people genuine harm.
It decreases the odds of people who are raped and sexually assaulted, because they expect to be doubted.
I've already explained to you that rape is grossly under-reported.
But i suspect you don't care. It's all an ideological battleground for you.
But you know, it's really fucking low to talk about rape survivors like that. You clearly have very little insight or empathy.
Really, you trump people make me sick.
I strongly dislike hilary clinton, but she got one thing right: deplorable is the right word for this sort of backwards bullshit.
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consumer
Bluelighter
oprah is also, like, really smart.
alasdair
She is another neo con though Ali. I think the Dems need to put forward a non celebrity politician with runs on the board for supporting left / center leaning policy and offer up strong policy alternatives ready to go not slogans like Trump and government rushing through bills without adequate oversight or debate as the Republicans have on incredibly important things such as health or tax reform. Oprah is not the answer.
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