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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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I saw an interview the other day with trump about 15 or 20 years ago.
He looked, acted and spoke so differently. He didn't seem so mentally deficient of incoherent.

I used to be sceptical of the claims that he has dementia, but i've changed my mind - i think there is something seriously wrong with his brain; probably dementia - but who knows? It could be syphillus or something.

But there's no doubt at all that there is something wrong with the guy, beyong being a narcissistic morally bankrupt conman.

I think he's looking increasingly doomed - especially given the reports that Michael Cohen is prepared to cooperate with investigators.
I hope he snitches on trump, and i hope all of the vile trump family involved in his administration get prosecuted and imprisoned.
 
Even if some version of that does happen, there is still a very broken system to somehow piece back together.

M13 is a kind of monster fed by incarcerations and/or deportations iirc
 
DANIEL DENVIR: I mean, political rhetoric around immigration so often functions to obscure the reality and history of immigration - though Trump is a rather extreme case. And what his obsessive focus on MS-13 does, aside from scapegoating and facilitating the mass criminalization of Latino immigrants in this country, is obscure the origins and reality of gangs like MS-13.

MS-13 was born in Los Angeles amidst the refugees fleeing President Reagan's dirty wars in El Salvador, and became a transnational gang that ultimately did so much to destabilize El Salvador precisely because of deportation policies pursued by President Trump's predecessors. This is a problem that's American-made through and through. So, to treat it as though it's some external threat being foisted on Americans, it not only entirely takes out of proportion and exaggerates the criminal threat that MS-13 poses to Americans, it obscures the fact that it's our foreign policies, our military interventions and our long history - that, unfortunately, well precedes Donald Trump - of mass deportations and criminalization of immigrants, that created MS-13 in the first place.
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from: https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/31/made_in_the_usa_the_real
 
Trump couldn't sit still and learn about the constitution and now it's biting him in the ass when his newest executive order, and everything he says he wants to happen to immigrants, would violate 5th amendment.

Trump is a fucking moron, trainwreck, disaster.
 
^ he doesn't make the slightest bit of effort, does he?

if i was a trump supporter, i can't help but think i'd find his dishonesty and half-arsed effort at doing his job would be insulting to my intelligence.
i wonder if any of them feel that way? i cannot imagine supporting someone so unconditionally. i think it is remarkably stupid.

Captain.Heroin said:
A multi-billion dollar bankruptcy can change a person, huh?

He's always been this way.
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no, i mean that he used to be capable of expressing himself verbally, without always changing the subject mid-sentence.
he speaks in broken-up fragments of syntax, and often struggles to stay on topic.
i don't think he's faking that - i think his jumbled word-salad speech peculiarities are neurological.
probably dementia.
frankly it would explain a lot.

he's always been a fucking asshole though - no disagreement there.
 
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spacejunk said:
^ he doesn't make the slightest bit of effort, does he?

if i was a trump supporter, i can't help but think i'd find his dishonesty and half-arsed effort at doing his job would be insulting to my intelligence.
i wonder if any of them feel that way? i cannot imagine supporting someone so unconditionally. i think it is remarkably stupid.



no, i mean that he used to be capable of expressing himself verbally, without always changing the subject mid-sentence.
he speaks in broken-up fragments of syntax, and often struggles to stay on topic.
i don't think he's faking that - i think his jumbled word-salad speech peculiarities are neurological.
probably dementia.
frankly it would explain a lot.

he's always been a fucking asshole though - no disagreement there.
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Yeah well... not to defend the beast, but that's basic silver tongue retoric, used by politics since whenever, to hide the fact that they don ?t have an entire solution to a specific problem, trying to make forgetting that they ?re as lost as anyone.

The difference is set by the shape of semi-control the politic wants to adjust, and the shape of mind he wants to show.

In the case of trump i think he ?s just a deviant nationalist wanna be dictator, who ?s trying to make beleve that he ?s in charge, and that he can bring a solution to a crisis that can do nothing else but increasing and let the "geat nations" going down ; by using the image of a gigantesc xenophobic asshole billionaire deep systemised, trying to legitimate his lack of conscience by an increasing divided public opinion with polemic and backward retoric. But maybe he ?s truely like that. I don ?t know wich would be worse...

Anyway, i can ?t imagine him doing a second term, i couldn ?t in the first place imagine him be in position of doing even one... Corruption in both ways is kind of convenient for control institutions, not to say more. Some of what i think were good measure (the obamacare for instance, wich i don ?t know so much about) were wipe down by him, and plus, the next presidet after him could keep some liberticide measures this fa brought, just to continue an ungoing long-term policy who don ?t give so much a fuck about parties.

You wanna see who ?s profiting of a politic, check the stock market, (crypto)currencies values, geo-politic changes, scientifics breaktroughs, etc... if it really can tell you something else than it?s more a process than an opinion conflict.

Personnaly i don ?t know and i don ?t specially care to know, all i see is a cyclic contexte, where technologie and culture bring just a new make up on the ancestral face of this old crying/laughing mask of order/disorder game. Don ?t wanna touch something that?s beyond my comprehension and my responsability...
 
Trump admins Travel ban upheld by SCOTUS in a 5-4 decision

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/06/26/supreme-court-upholds-trump-travel-ban/amp/

I was pretty sure this would be the out come. I think it will be interesting to see if conservative judges start obstructing when a democratic administration comes in, and challenging the presidents EOs for political gain. Hope not, but that seems to be the nature of Washington sadly.
 
Droppersneck said:
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/06/26/supreme-court-upholds-trump-travel-ban/amp/

I was pretty sure this would be the out come. I think it will be interesting to see if conservative judges start obstructing when a democratic administration comes in, and challenging the presidents EOs for political gain. Hope not, but that seems to be the nature of Washington sadly.
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Obama faced little litigation/judicial resistance against him because he worked with lawyers to make sure the executive orders he passed were, at least, constitutional and feasible.

Being a politician is a plus when it comes to drafting legislation. Trump wasn’t a real politician and didn’t care to learn about the constitution when he had the time to. His ignorance shows.

Plenty of conservative judges during Obama’s reign.
 
Trump's policy of separating children from their parents at the border really shows the moral bankruptcy going on here. Completely unnecessarily, they had been taking children, even babies, away from their parents, without keeping records of who was going to be where. Now they've been mandated to stop that and to return every child to their parents, which is great news, but in some cases it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to reunite the families. What a horrible thing, way to traumatize a bunch of children, well, not just the children but what the fuck... it's appalling that we've gotten to this point and I really fucking hope that these blatant crimes against human rights and decency will wake some people up to where we've let ourselves get to.
 
But... but... the stock market is at all all-time high because of Trump and only because of Trump! It's not like it was already on its trajectory before he got into office! Investors are very confident when they see the ship is being manned by a narcissistic egomaniacal old man whose level of consistency is on par with a child's!

WHAT IS HAPPENING????!!??? ...Oh wait, it's HILARY, she sent her child sex slaves to infiltrate the stock market. And the deep state is spreading FAKE NEWS that Trump started this trade war! Okay I feel better now.
 
Xorkoth said:
But... but... the stock market is at all all-time high because of Trump and only because of Trump! It's not like it was already on its trajectory before he got into office! Investors are very confident when they see the ship is being manned by a narcissistic egomaniacal old man whose level of consistency is on par with a child's!

WHAT IS HAPPENING????!!??? ...Oh wait, it's HILARY, she sent her child sex slaves to infiltrate the stock market. And the deep state is spreading FAKE NEWS that Trump started this trade war! Okay I feel better now.
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Exactly.

Digging their heads in the sand.

It's become apparent Trump is manipulating the economy so his sons can invest wisely and get more $ quick, while they have the chance of shaking the money tree to see what falls out of it.
 
There are two things I think of when I think Trump has done permanent damage to the United States.

One is of course Dave Chapelle. I'm paraphrasing closely: "He's a bad DJ at a great party."

The second is a historian and constitutional law scholar who stated that unless Trump gets another Supreme Court justice pick, he can't do permanent damage.

Supreme Court Justice Kennedy retires: What comes next?"

Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy announced his retirement Wednesday, giving President Donald Trump a golden chance to cement conservative control of the high court. The 81-year-old Kennedy said in a statement he is stepping down after more than 30 years on the court.

A Republican appointee, he has held the key vote on such high-profile issues as abortion, affirmative action, gay rights, guns, campaign finance and voting rights.

Kennedy that his retirement will take effect at the end of July, and Mr. Trump said his search for a new justice would begin "immediately." Without Kennedy, the court will be split between four liberal justices who were appointed by Democratic presidents and four conservatives who were named by Republicans.

Mr. Trump's nominee is likely to give the conservatives a solid majority and will face a Senate process in which Republicans hold the slimmest majority, but Democrats can't delay confirmation.

Mr. Trump's first high court nominee, Neil Gorsuch, was confirmed in April 2017. If past practice is any indication, Mr. Trump will name a nominee within weeks, setting in motion a process that could allow confirmation by the time the court reconvenes in early October.

Mr. Trump already has a list of 25 candidates -- 24 judges and Utah Sen. Mike Lee -- and has said he would choose a nominee from that list.

CBS News' Ed O'Keefe reports that Lee said he would accept a nomination to serve on the United States Supreme Court, if asked by Mr. Trump. Lee, 47, has served in the Senate since 2011 and he's clerked twice for Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito, once while the justice served on the high court and previously when Alito served on the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.

Abortion is likely to be one of the flash points in the nomination fight. Kennedy has mainly supported abortion rights in his time on the court, and Mr. Trump has made clear he would try to choose justices who want to overturn the landmark abortion rights case of Roe v. Wade. Such a dramatic step may not be immediately likely, but a more conservative court might be more willing to sustain abortion restrictions.

Interest groups across the political spectrum are expected to mobilize to support and fight the nomination because it is so likely to push the court to the right.

Republicans currently hold a bare 51-49 majority in the Senate, although that includes the ailing Sen. John McCain of Arizona. If Democrats stand united in opposition to Mr. Trump's choice, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky can lose no more than one vote. If the Senate divides 50-50, Vice President Mike Pence could break a tie to confirm the nominee.

Democrats are already advocating postponing a vote on Justice Kennedy's replacement until after the midterms. Republican leadership wouldn't allow President Barack Obama's pick to the bench, Merrick Garland, to get a hearing before the Senate, arguing that it was too close to the 2016 election.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer took note of the Republican's past efforts when he spoke on the Senate floor on Wednesday.

"Our Republican colleagues in the Senate should follow the rule they set in 2016: Not to consider a Supreme Court justice in an election year," said Schumer. He added, "Millions of people are just months away from determining senators who should vote to confirm or reject the President's nominee. And their voices deserve to be heard now as Leader McConnell said they deserve to be heard then. Anything but that would be the absolute height of hypocrisy."

Prominent on the list of possible successors are Judges Thomas Hardiman of Pennsylvania and William Pryor of Alabama, who was seriously considered for the seat eventually filled by Gorsuch, and Judge Brett Kavanaugh, who serves on the federal appeals court in Washington.

Kavanaugh is a longtime Washington insider, having served as a law clerk to Kennedy and then as a key member of independent counsel Kenneth Starr's team that produced the report that served as the basis for President Bill Clinton's impeachment. In October, Kavanaugh dissented when his court ruled that a teenage migrant in federal custody should be able to obtain an abortion immediately.

Regardless of who replaces him, Kennedy's departure will be a massive change for the high court, where he has been the crucial swing vote for more than a decade. He has sided with the liberal justices on gay rights and abortion rights, as well as some cases involving race, the death penalty and the rights of people detained without charges at the Guantanamo Bay naval base. He has written all the court's major gay-rights decisions, including the 2015 ruling that declared same-sex marriage is a constitutional right nationwide.

However, he also has been a key vote when conservatives have won major rulings on the outcome of the 2000 presidential election in favor of George W. Bush, gun rights, limiting regulation of campaign money and gutting a key provision of the landmark federal Voting Rights Act.

There were no outward signs that Kennedy was getting ready to retire. He had hired his allotment of four law clerks for the term that begins in October and he is planning to spend part of the summer as he typically does, teaching a law school class in Salzburg, Austria.

But several former law clerks have said that Kennedy, a nominee of President Ronald Reagan, preferred to be replaced by a Republican. Control of the Senate is at stake in the November elections, and if Democrats capture the majority, Mr. Trump could find it difficult to get his choice confirmed.

Few obstacles seem to stand in the way of confirming Kennedy's replacement before the court reconvenes in October. Republicans changed the rules during Gorsuch's confirmation to wipe out the main delaying tactic for Supreme Court nominees, the filibuster, and the need for 60 votes to defeat it.

The other two older justices, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 85, and Stephen Breyer, 79, are Democratic appointees who would not appear to be going anywhere during a Trump administration if they can help it.
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