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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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even as incompetent as he was, despite all the war crimes he committed, at least dubya is a decent human being who thought he was doing what was best for his country. i disagree with a lot of what he did, but his patriotism and decency as a human being were never in question, unlike our current president. he and chaney (even with that blackest of black heart of his, that allowed him to shoot his friend in the face and then make his friend apologize for it!) would honestly probably rate as chaotic good - doing what they felt necessary for the greater good, with the ends justifying the means. trump would rate as chaotic stupid--err chaotic evil.
 
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even as incompetent as he was, despite all the war crimes he committed, at least dubya is a decent human being who thought he was doing what was best for his country. i disagree with a lot of what he did, but his patriotism and decency as a human being were never in question, unlike our current president. he and chaney (even with that blackest of black heart of his, that allowed him to shoot his friend in the face and then make his friend apologize for it!) would honestly probably rate as chaotic good - doing what they felt necessary for the greater good, with the ends justifying the means. trump would rate as chaotic stupid--err chaotic evil.

Thank you. I've long said this to much disagreement.

I didnt like bush's presidency either. But I always said hating him was like hating a retarded puppy cause it won't stop peeing on the carpet. It doesn't know what it did wrong :(.
 
You've got to be kidding me. George W. Bush knew exactly what he was doing.

His patriotism is certainly in question as is his "human decency".

Oh how quickly we forget.

As President, Bush oversaw development of the military and intelligence environments in which torture seemed helpful, the legal apparatus by which it was "justified," the legislative framework by which torturers might be immunized, and the public political climate in which everything was denied. Under his leadership, the U.S. abrogated long-standing international treaties, defied the clear intent of legislation, and lied repeatedly to the American people, all in hopes of establishing and perpetuating a culture of torture.

Can't even see the forest for the trees.
 
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You've got to be kidding me. George W. Bush knew exactly what he was doing.

His patriotism is certainly in question as is his "human decency".

Oh how quickly we forget. .

The ends never justify the means, but some fervently believe that they do in the name of the "greater good". And let's not forget that some of the worst atrocities are committed in the name of what the perpetrator believes to be the "greater good". The world is nothing but endless shades of grey.
 
Bottom line - The Bush's are in the same league as the Trumps when it comes to scum.
 
Donald Trump Didn’t Want to Be President - One year ago: the plan to lose, and the administration’s shocked first days.
On the afternoon of November 8, 2016, Kellyanne Conway settled into her glass office at Trump Tower. Right up until the last weeks of the race, the campaign headquarters had remained a listless place. All that seemed to distinguish it from a corporate back office were a few posters with right-wing slogans.

Conway, the campaign’s manager, was in a remarkably buoyant mood, considering she was about to experience a resounding, if not cataclysmic, defeat. Donald Trump would lose the election — of this she was sure — but he would quite possibly hold the defeat to under six points. That was a substantial victory. As for the looming defeat itself, she shrugged it off: It was Reince Priebus’s fault, not hers.

She had spent a good part of the day calling friends and allies in the political world and blaming Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee. Now she briefed some of the television producers and anchors whom she had been carefully courting since joining the Trump campaign — and with whom she had been actively interviewing in the last few weeks, hoping to land a permanent on-air job after the election.

Even though the numbers in a few key states had appeared to be changing to Trump’s advantage, neither Conway nor Trump himself nor his son-in-law, Jared Kushner — the effective head of the campaign — wavered in their certainty: Their unexpected adventure would soon be over. Not only would Trump not be president, almost everyone in the campaign agreed, he should probably not be. Conveniently, the former conviction meant nobody had to deal with the latter issue.

As the campaign came to an end, Trump himself was sanguine. His ultimate goal, after all, had never been to win. “I can be the most famous man in the world,” he had told his aide Sam Nunberg at the outset of the race. His longtime friend Roger Ailes, the former head of Fox News, liked to say that if you want a career in television, first run for president. Now Trump, encouraged by Ailes, was floating rumors about a Trump network. It was a great future. He would come out of this campaign, Trump assured Ailes, with a far more powerful brand and untold opportunities.
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From the start, the leitmotif for Trump about his own campaign was how crappy it was, and how everybody involved in it was a loser. In August, when he was trailing Hillary Clinton by more than 12 points, he couldn’t conjure even a far-fetched scenario for achieving an electoral victory. He was baffled when the right-wing billionaire Robert Mercer, a Ted Cruz backer whom Trump barely knew, offered him an infusion of $5 million. When Mercer and his daughter Rebekah presented their plan to take over the campaign and install their lieutenants, Steve Bannon and Conway, Trump didn’t resist. He only expressed vast incomprehension about why anyone would want to do that. “This thing,” he told the Mercers, “is so fucked up.”

Bannon, who became chief executive of Trump’s team in mid-August, called it “the broke-dick campaign.” Almost immediately, he saw that it was hampered by an even deeper structural flaw: The candidate who billed himself as a billionaire — ten times over — refused to invest his own money in it. Bannon told Kushner that, after the first debate in September, they would need another $50 million to cover them until Election Day.

“No way we’ll get 50 million unless we can guarantee him victory,” said a clear-eyed Kushner.
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The article goes on for quite a while about how everyone involved with the campaign is incompetent and had no interest in or expectation to actually win; the fame associated with being able to say "former presidential candidate" was the real goal.
 
the efforts by trump to distance himself from bannon in light of the book quotes we're seeing are laughable. he was the chief executive officer of the trump campaign and, after the election, "white house chief strategist" and now trump is trying to rewrite history by painting him as an irrelevant 'staffer'.

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Thank you. I've long said this to much disagreement.

I didnt like bush's presidency either. But I always said hating him was like hating a retarded puppy cause it won't stop peeing on the carpet. It doesn't know what it did wrong :(.

Except that bush's "carpet" is a hell of a lot bigger than the puppy's and the pee stain is still spreading.

Trump, however, is the slightly retarded distant relative that tags along for family functions and special occasions where everyone is forced to tolerate him because he carries a Molotov cocktail in one pocket and a box of matches in the other
 
Other than the Steve Bannon thing & talking about the supposed size of his penis in relation to Kim Jong Un, he also announced that he is dissolving his "voter fraud" investigation. Fucking LOL. Trump is starting 2018 off with a bang.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367343-trump-dissolves-voter-fraud-commission

I understand being alienated by the political establishment but I have no idea how some people were so resistant to seeing Trump for the person he is: a completely self-centered, corrupt, narcissistic PIECE OF SHIT! He's a con man and his influence on the political world is poison...just a terrible person IMO
 
According to Trump, everyone is wrong always

Unless you agree with him. But even then, it's less that you're right and more that you're right to see that trumps right.

Other than the Steve Bannon thing & talking about the supposed size of his penis in relation to Kim Jong Un, he also announced that he is dissolving his "voter fraud" investigation. Fucking LOL. Trump is starting 2018 off with a bang.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367343-trump-dissolves-voter-fraud-commission

I understand being alienated by the political establishment but I have no idea how some people were so resistant to seeing Trump for the person he is: a completely self-centered, corrupt, narcissistic PIECE OF SHIT! He's a con man and his influence on the political world is poison...just a terrible person IMO

I completely agree. I said something like this in the 2017 Trump thread not long ago about how I just can't understand how anyone could like Trump. As I recall most people who support trump were unable to follow the difference between agreeing with him and liking him as a person and kept making it about the former when I was asking about the latter.

At the time I said I had trouble believing that everyone who likes Trump is themselves either retarded or also a horrible person, but it feels like the Trump supporters keep trying to convince me that indeed is the case.
 
Don't look now, but Jeff Sessions is trying to take your legal weed away...
 
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