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The 2018 Trump Presidency thread

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Apparently Trump has gone down on his $5 billion figure but they aren't saying what his offer to Schumer was...
 
Pete556 said:
Lol Atleast Trump is funny he would own any of you guys in a 1 on 1 debate
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I watched all of Trumps "debates", unfortunately. He was absolutely horrible... He would just yell out stupid shit. He had no clue wtf he was doing. He looked stupid as fuck up there. He's a terrible debater. I can't believe you said that shit. Bill Clinton and Obama were awesome debaters.
 
the majority of mods, admins, blue light crew (title be d**ned) and quiet a few of the members not in position on this site could win in a debate with trump. JessFR would be near the top of that list.

not to take away from what i just said... when i was 12 i knew two 12 year olds who could've out debated trump. if a 12 year old could get past being intimidated by a self absorbed (insert string of dirty words here) that is.

leaning over you, throwing your weight around and whining (when it's reverse psychology and not actually whining) to prove a point is a parents position and not the president of the united states of america. hence why it's called diplomacy.
 
Trump is a disgrace! I never thought I would think that of any President but Im embarrassed that he brainwashed so many ding dongs!
 
I totally agree. He just stands up there like a stuffed sausage yelling "fake news!" and "Build that wall!". He's an absolute embarrassment!
 
link said:
While the proposal technically leaves the mercury restrictions in place, by revising the underlying justifications for them the administration has opened the door for coal mining companies, which have long opposed the rules, to challenge them in court.
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and TLB wondered why something is bad even though one is not challenged by it. unless i'm mistaken it says it's the same rules but it's ok to contest in court. is that like playing abstinence or just the tip?

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During his first year in office, President Trump signed executive orders declaring his intention to dismantle environmental rules.
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i see one part where the ":\" comes into play here.

next thing you know trump and the EPA will be telling us mecury is just as good for grass as electrolytes are.

as hard as it is to read and swallow, good articles alasdairm.
 
Andihav said:
Trump is a disgrace! I never thought I would think that of any President but Im embarrassed that he brainwashed so many ding dongs!
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Yup... 4 show! Dude knows he's dumb as fuck. That's the only reason he constantly brags about how smart he is. "I'm like really smart. I'm the smartest people person human mammal in the world of the United States of the 35 planets. The rumor of me being an inbred hill billy is fake news, I'm the richest inbred hill billy." The dude knows he's stupid as shit. I would kill to have George Bush Jr. Back. Never thought I would say that shit. Ever. Never thought I would be so embarrassed of our prez. Awwwww holy shit.
 
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He has a classic narcissistic personality dsorder. Just like everyone else I've known under the blanket of personality disorders, he constantly needs people to think he's all the things he knows, deep down, but so deep he can't consciously admit it, that he isn't. That's why he's so reactionary and has to constantly state how smart he is and how good he is at everything. People with real self-confidence let their actions speak for themselves, they don't shout to everyone how smart they are constantly.

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they should just man up and rename the epa because it no longer has anything to do with environmental protection...

New E.P.A. Plan Could Free Coal Plants to Release More Mercury Into the Air

also: 78 Environmental Rules on the Way Out Under Trump

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alasdair
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yeah the environmental protections being revoked are tied for my #1 issue with Trump and his administration. Absolutely disgraceful, and now is the worst time to do it, with the problems accelerating.

ali's article said:
All told, the Trump administration’s environmental rollbacks could lead to at least 80,000 extra deaths per decade and cause respiratory problems for more than one million people, according to a separate analysis conducted by researchers from Harvard. That number, however, is likely to be “a major underestimate of the global public health impact,” said Francesca Dominici, a professor of biostatistics at the Harvard School of Public Health.
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And that's just from the emissions rollbacks... never mind the removal of protections for threatened species and ecosystems, the ecological problems from drilling and mining, and so on.

You can bury your head in the sand and say "well I take home an extra $25 on my paycheck and the stock market is doing well (but it's not anymore now is it?) and BUILD THE WALL GET THEM MEXICANS OUTTA HERE THEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!", but there are very real and disastrous policies he has pushed and you have to ignore all of those.
 
Just the title of this thread makes me want to cry lol. Seeing "trump" and"presidency" next to each other is at a level of ridiculousness that no one should have to endure. I'm curious if impeachment will actually happen but sure as fuck am not holding my breath. As a positive, Trevor Noah has a pile of beautiful material for the daily show.
 
78 Environmental Rules on the Way Out Under Trump

Just read this article if you are curious about the disastrous effect Trump's administration has on the environment. Some of these don't even make sense and almost just feel like he's flipping the bird for no real good reason at all. Most of them are clearly in support of industry desires to maximize profit at the cost of the environment as they were able to do for so long but which had recently been restricted finally.

Even if you have your head in the sand about carbon emissions altering global climate and warming the oceans (and you'd really have to have your head in the sand), the toxic effects of air and water pollution are impossible to deny. Since adopting environmental protection standards, we went from the air constantly being filled with smog and people literally dropping dead from it in big metro areas to what we have today. Which isn't nearly as bad, although still far from perfect. When you have the president successfully pushing policies to remove legislation that forces coal power plants to use carbon scrubbers to clean their exhaust, to list just a single one of these policies... the result is going to be returning to how it used to be.

It's an unmitigated disaster and we're not even feeling the effects of it yet at all. Even when Trump is gone, it's going to take time to reverse the damage to policy. Time we don't have.
 
Pete556 said:
...Trump the evil bastard has just ended hemp prohibition so usa is the only country where hemp is now legal...
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not even close to accurate.

hemp is legally farmed in many countries: australia, new zealand, austria, canada, chile, china, denmark, finland, france, germany, the uk, hungary, india, japan, the netherlands, poland, romania, russia, slovenia, span, switzerland, egypt, korea, portugal, thailand and the ukraine.

so, no. the usa is far from the only country where hemp is legal.

alasdair
 
Amid the current partial government shutdown, President Donald Trump signed an executive order to freeze pay for federal workers in 2019.

The move is consistent with Trump's budget proposal and a notice to Congress in August, when he cited "serious economic conditions" in cutting pay to civilian workers. “We must maintain efforts to put our nation on a fiscally sustainable course, and federal agency budgets cannot sustain such increases,” he said at the time.

Trump signed the executive order late Friday afternoon. The military would not be affected.

Trump and federal lawmakers are still collecting paychecks during the partial shutdown, but many federal workers are not. Congress generally votes to pay federal employees retroactively after shutdowns, but this one is expected to drag on into the new year as Trump pushes for funding for a wall across the southern border.

“This is just pouring salt into the wound,” said Tony Reardon, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, which represents 150,000 employees at 33 federal agencies and departments. “It is shocking that federal employees are taking yet another financial hit. As if missed paychecks and working without pay were not enough, now they have been told that they don’t even deserve a modest pay increase.”
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https://news.yahoo.com/trump-moves-freeze-pay-federal-190018678.html

Basically: Government is shut down, and we need to spend responsibly! Therefore we need to not pay federal workers during the shutdown and not give them a raise either! But keep paying the ones who caused the shutdown. :|
 
The Trump administration is proposing that limits on mercury pollution from power plants are too costly to justify and no longer “appropriate and necessary,” a finding that could make it difficult to impose more stringent curbs in the future.

For now, at least, the Environmental Protection Agency isn’t seeking to rescind the 2012 standards, responding to a clamor from utilities that have already spent at least $18 billion complying with the requirements. But the EPA is asking the public to comment on whether it has the authority or obligation to do so, opening the door to a possible future repeal.

And, in another reversal of former President Barack Obama’s environmental policies, the agency now finds that the mercury mandates cost far more than the potential benefits that spring from paring emissions of the toxin. According to the new EPA analysis, the costs of complying with the rule are projected at $7.4 billion to $9.6 billion annually, while monetized benefits are estimated to be just $4 million to $6 million each year.

Environmentalists blasted the move, saying the agency was engaging in “funny math” and cherry picking data to claim the mercury standards are too expensive.

‘Dangerous Precedent’

The EPA is “setting a dangerous precedent that a federal agency charged with protecting the environment and public health will no longer factor in all the clear health, environmental and economics benefits of clean air polices, such as reducing cancer and birth defects,” said Senator Tom Carper, a Democrat from Delaware.

The new calculations represent a dramatic shift from the EPA’s 2012 estimate that that the requirements would lead to $37 billion to $90 billion worth of benefits from fewer asthma attacks, heart attacks and premature deaths -- mostly by indirectly reducing airborne particle pollution.

President Donald Trump’s EPA now is effectively ignoring those so-called co-benefits and focusing only on the direct potential benefits from slashing mercury emissions.
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Mercury Limits on Coal Plants No Longer ‘Appropriate,’ EPA Says

They're considering allowing mercury emissions into the air again because apparently restricting it is costing companies too much money. How about the fact that mercury is incredibly toxic and causes birth defects and neurological damage? For fuck's sake... even the people pushing this are going to be affected. 8(

Environmental Protection Agency? Not anymore... more like Environmental Pitchforking Agency.
 
neurogal said:
Just the title of this thread makes me want to cry lol. Seeing "trump" and"presidency" next to each other is at a level of ridiculousness that no one should have to endure. I'm curious if impeachment will actually happen but sure as fuck am not holding my breath. As a positive, Trevor Noah has a pile of beautiful material for the daily show.
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Impeachment theoretically could happen. The problem is removing him after impeachment. That would be up to the senate which is still in republican hands. So it's doubtful, and it's unlikely they'll impeach trump unless they think they can remove him by doing so.

It's not impossible, depends on what evidence is available. But I'd say it's more likely trump will just be voted out in 2 years.

Something that I think would be awesome, although fairly unlikely. Would be congress banding together to override trumps veto and restart the government, without giving him any money for his "wall". It's within their power.

And honestly this wall is so stupid. Even if he got the 5 billion it won't be much of a wall. Funding this thing would be a disgraceful waste of tax payer money.
 
Hes probably comparing the coal fired power plants in America to those in China and done some figures and in some weird competitive move to be more efficient or better than China, hes looked at the quickest way to get more money from the industry.


Electricity should be provided at cost by the government and also clean with the filters and scrubbers, but that is for long term health and environment which isnt going to get him attention and money now.

The industry closing and job losses to put in expensive equipment as per regulation is not optimal either, how many different methods and options were investigated and how much discussion was had with the industry and engineers or did some graduate with bells snd whistles all over a badly researched scheme just get put in place irrespective of the damage to the people?


Theres a balance needed. I thought a lot depended on the quality of the coal and burning good coal was the first thing and cutting emissions is pretty much on place now with equipment, dunno if a review of equipment and making it cheaper without losing quality is a plan but could be an option.
 
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