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THC protects against MDMA-neurotoxicity in mice

raybeez

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Just thought I would post this new research study to open it up for comments from all the neurosci people on ADD. The study was done in mice -- how reliably can these findings be extrapolated to humans? Is there potential for a combination pill containing MDMA and a CB1-agonist that could hasten the uptake of the drug for medicinal use in Western societies?

Link to the full article here

Abstract:

The majority of MDMA (ecstasy) recreational users also consume cannabis. Despite the rewarding effects that both drugs have, they induce several opposite pharmacological responses. MDMA causes hyperthermia, oxidative stress and neuronal damage, especially at warm ambient temperature. However, THC, the main psychoactive compound of cannabis, produces hypothermic, anti-inflammatory and antioxidant effects. Therefore, THC may have a neuroprotective effect against MDMA-induced neurotoxicity. Mice receiving a neurotoxic regimen of MDMA (20 mg/kg ×4) were pretreated with THC (3 mg/kg ×4) at room (21°C) and at warm (26°C) temperature, and body temperature, striatal glial activation and DA terminal loss were assessed. To find out the mechanisms by which THC may prevent MDMA hyperthermia and neurotoxicity, the same procedure was carried out in animals pretreated with the CB1 receptor antagonist AM251 and the CB2 receptor antagonist AM630, as well as in CB1, CB2 and CB1/CB2 deficient mice. THC prevented MDMA-induced-hyperthermia and glial activation in animals housed at both room and warm temperature. Surprisingly, MDMA-induced DA terminal loss was only observed in animals housed at warm but not at room temperature, and this neurotoxic effect was reversed by THC administration. However, THC did not prevent MDMA-induced hyperthermia, glial activation, and DA terminal loss in animals treated with the CB1 receptor antagonist AM251, neither in CB1 and CB1/CB2 knockout mice. On the other hand, THC prevented MDMA-induced hyperthermia and DA terminal loss, but only partially suppressed glial activation in animals treated with the CB2 cannabinoid antagonist and in CB2 knockout animals. Our results indicate that THC protects against MDMA neurotoxicity, and suggest that these neuroprotective actions are primarily mediated by the reduction of hyperthermia through the activation of CB1 receptor, although CB2 receptors may also contribute to attenuate neuroinflammation in this process.
 
Interesting! But I am somehow sceptical how far this translates into humans; while hyperthermia is of course quite frequently reported with MDMA, I rarely (...never...) heard of people feeling cold when having a good toke of weed. Maybe I missed these reports, so please correct me if I'm overlooking something.

Peace! - Murphy
 
Interesting! But I am somehow sceptical how far this translates into humans; while hyperthermia is of course quite frequently reported with MDMA, I rarely (...never...) heard of people feeling cold when having a good toke of weed. Maybe I missed these reports, so please correct me if I'm overlooking something.

Peace! - Murphy

It's a vasodilator, like alcohol. If you've ever had a drink on a cold day, you know it makes you feel warmer, because it increases blood flow to your extremities. However, by doing so, it also lowers core body temperature (because cold blood in your fingers is flowing back to the rest of your body). So, while you *feel* warmer, you're actually colder!

MDMA, incidentally, has the opposite effect, being a vasoconstrictor. You feel colder (which provides additional incentive to HUG EVERYONE) but are actually warmer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxical_undressing -- the extreme version of this effect.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but IIRC, THC is generally considered both a vasodilator and vasoconstrictor for different regions of the body and the brain. I believe set and setting, tolerance, as well as various active terpenes present to varying degrees in different cannabis samples can change this substantially as well.
 
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atara said:
It's a vasodilator, like alcohol. If you've ever had a drink on a cold day, you know it makes you feel warmer, because it increases blood flow to your extremities. However, by doing so, it also lowers core body temperature (because cold blood in your fingers is flowing back to the rest of your body). So, while you *feel* warmer, you're actually colder!
Errrr...are we talking about the same thing? Sounds to me like you're referring to alcohol (see in particular the part I marked red). If you're referring to THC, then I don't get it. Significant changes in body temperature on weed are new to me. Never experienced such, even at ridiculously high doses, nor any of my friends. Could it be?

Personally, I never feeled colder on with MDMA either. The hyperthermia (D1-mediated IIRC) made me sweat more than usual with concomitant feeling of hotness. Take it as anecdotal data.


Peace! - Murphy
 
Errrr...are we talking about the same thing? Sounds to me like you're referring to alcohol (see in particular the part I marked red). If you're referring to THC, then I don't get it. Significant changes in body temperature on weed are new to me. Never experienced such, even at ridiculously high doses, nor any of my friends. Could it be?

They're both vasodilators. I'm actually not sure if you'd feel much warmer on THC; alcohol does it much more powerfully, and is the only one where I've personally experienced the effect. I'm generalizing there, but the message is that things which make you feel warm tend to lower body temperature.

No idea if that's happening with THC. Paracetamol, (a FAAH inhibitor and a pro-cannabinoid), is an antipyretic, but (I think?) by a different mechanism.
Personally, I never feeled colder on with MDMA either. The hyperthermia (D1-mediated IIRC) made me sweat more than usual with concomitant feeling of hotness. Take it as anecdotal data.


Peace! - Murphy

I've never really taken MDMA in a place where it's possible to feel cold. I mean, I'm always dancing and surrounded by people. That was a guess.

I have felt cold on methylphenidate.
 
Errrr...are we talking about the same thing? Sounds to me like you're referring to alcohol (see in particular the part I marked red). If you're referring to THC, then I don't get it. Significant changes in body temperature on weed are new to me. Never experienced such, even at ridiculously high doses, nor any of my friends. Could it be?

Personally, I never feeled colder on with MDMA either. The hyperthermia (D1-mediated IIRC) made me sweat more than usual with concomitant feeling of hotness. Take it as anecdotal data.

Murphy

I don't think THC alters body temperature, I think it attenuates processes that dysfunctionally alter body temperature.

Correct me if I'm wrong but IIRC, THC is generally considered both a vasodilator and vasoconstrictor for different regions of the body and the brain. I believe set and setting, tolerance, as well as various active terpenes present to varying degrees in different cannabis samples can change this substantially as well.

I don't think this is about vasoconstriction and vasodilation. Yes MDMA causes vasoconstriction and impairs the ability of the body to dissipate heat.

More importantly, it's thermogenic. It increases the production of heat at the cellular level by causing proton uncoupling across mitochondria. I'd suspect this might be the process THC is interfering with.

Really good review paper on it here.
 
I am not so sure of that Raybeez, I have noticed feeling a subjective temperature decrease when under the influence of herb, and also the same was experienced on ingestion of JWH-018, CP-55,940 etc.
 
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