that second G dose...

[Soma]

Managed not only to do it to myself (twice!) but also to another person (doh! sorry!) ... I have the 1st dose of G measured pretty much spot on.
Its that second one that sent me to sleep for an hour.
The first 'nap' I had I simply had waaay too much. My medicine measurer thing was in the car, which was up hill, in the rain, and I couldn't be stuffed moving. Thought "ahhh this teaspoon is about 5mil I'll measure using that ..." Oops.
The second nap (only a 30min one) was on a dose I had just about an hour after the first. I'm using about 17-19ml of 125g/lt of 1,4 But, as one dose. Its about 1.8g a dose.
Now the first nap was plain ol' G OD. The second was on the sun night after no sleep sat night and its now about 11.30pm. I used a 1.8g dose pretty much an hour after the first on the basis of "well it wears off in about an hour so I'll just have another dose"
Any suggestions on what the second dose should be and when to have it? I'm obviously using too much for the second dose or just having it too soon....
Ta,
Luv,
Soma.

 

[BigTrancer]

Well... Pinger posted:

my (initial) dose is around 1.5 grams, and then maybe another 0.5 after an hour.
which goes to show everyone has an individual dose curve and that is the problematic thing about dosing new people. Always ensure someone knows what they are doing.
... to prevent building a tolerance, try moving to low range doses. Ie 1g to 1.5g. Often, because of repeated g use the body builds up the dopamine levels and you can "train down" your threshold dose by not dosing high, or continually dosing to chase the high. Because of the initially high levels of dopamine from g doses you need less to get over your threshold..... or so it seems to work.
please note that the peak effect of a dose is about + 1 hour dosing.

... in "GHB" The Links...
I reckon that's authoritative enough for me, for now.
BigTrancer

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[Mr. Horse]

i have a question as well. Last night I was hugely depressed and full of anxiety (i have my reasons) and I simply couldnt sleep. I thought, right, if i'm not asleep by 12.30 then I'll dose up. So 1.30 rolled on and I thought, thats it, I gotta get some sleep so I had 27ml in one go. I wanted to be knocked out, so yeah, basically passed out in 15 minutes.
The thing I found, and this is not the first, or second time its happened, is that I wake up in a cold sweat, just dripping everywhere. Its a very disconcerting feeling, just waking up drenched in sweat but it happens say 4 or 5 times a night when I have too much G. Any suggestions?
(and dont say have less G, I wont listen to you)

 

[pinger]

well there is your mistake soma- the g doesn't really "wear off". ghb has what they call an incremental dose curve, (i prefer to think of it as a cumulative curve), meaning that additional doses will effect you substantially more than an initial doses due to already elevated levels of dopamine.
although the physical tangible effects of the g are well gone, your dopamine levels are however artificially high, meaning that if you take another small bump of g, the "cup runneth over". so a 0.5 gram dose an hour after an intial "active" dose, is going to hit you like a normal 1.5 gram dose on it's own.
it's kinda like beer- you have one beer every hour and don't feel it, but your alcohol level is actually raised close to the DUI threshold and will stay there for a while.
now Horsey- that is just your body trying to deal with metabolising the ghb. your body is going a hundred mile an hour trying to break that shit out, and your making it even harder by going to sleep. seeing as though your not exercising or expending energy, the next best thing is for it to push it out your pores. It's not the best idea to sleep when g-ing apart from this fact, as it also interrupts your sleeps by fooling around with your dopamine levels.
be careful kids, she ain't a no consequence drug
ping

 

[BigTrancer]

In addition to pinger's comments, I might add that ten hours sleep induced by chemicals may not be as beneficial to you as five hours of natural rest. My reason for this statement is that when you're normally sleeping, you go through various levels of deep sleep, REM sleep, and light sleep... whereas with chemically induced sleep, it is possibly more like unconsciousness, lacking the REM sleep that you so desperately need to remain healthy and sane.
Another thing that may contribute is if you usually have cones on a daily basis and then you stop for a couple of days you may notice that you have 'night sweats'. I can see that G might be a good alternative to cones, and people that I've spoken to over the last weekend have used G wherever other people that I know would prefer a cone or two. If you've just changed over, the lack of cones may cause the sweats, and the G may contribute to that as well (like pinger mentioned).
BigTrancer

 

[DoC]

I was under the impression g sleep was rem sleep. The problem with taking TOO much g then sleeping is you are storing up your dopamine, after about 3 hours when the g wears off its all released at once which is what often causes you to wake up.
As far as second dose I'm probably a bad example but I usually have 1 dose of 20ml to start followed by another 20ml after 2 hours etc etc....at Ian Ossia I was dosing 20ml every 2 hours for 8 hours...but it doesn't really knock me around like it does others. I even accidently dosed 36ml at sussex lane on a tuesday night (didn't have measurer and thought cap was only 6ml, so had 3 caps, turns out cap was 12ml ). Was pretty fucked but felt fine and was still able to dance etc, had a great night in fact

. I have always had high tolerance to everything though, including pills, alcohol g etc etc

 

[TiggerChic]

Mmmmm - Well in terms of the "sleep" - I must say it was somewhat scary (yes I was the second person Soma mentioned above...). The sleep was very much a blackout - I could feel myself getting more and more groggy. The first "sleep" was about 2 hours for me. I had a t least taken myself to bed. When I was forcibly woken two hours later I was very disorriented and took about 40 mins to really wake up and know where I was...
After the second sleep (I passed out on the dance floor and was lifted to a couch), I was woken and felt waves of motion sickness. In fact this motion sickness nausea lasted even till the next day.
The sleep was by no means restful - in fact i felt more exhausted after the sleep... and very disoriented - maybe that was because i had to be forcibly woken... I don't know
What I do know is that I don't think I'll take g for a while and when i do i will take all of your advice into consideration...
Thanks all
TC

 

[wikings]

"to prevent building a tolerance, try moving to low range doses" Pinger
I have not tired G, but done a bit of reading.
I heard once you have found your right dose, you are set for life. Since your body never builds a tolerance to G.
I can't back that up though, can't remember what site it was on.
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"It has been found that daily use of GHB is not addictive and stopping its use does not result in significant (or even noticeable) withdrawal symptoms. GHB is non-toxic. Most people report no side effects when stopping the use of GHB" http://www.ghb.org/
This is not true of other info I have read.
[This message has been edited by wikings (edited 09 October 2000).]