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Thailand Cave Rescue and aftermath

Hey SHM :)

I would have thought a dissociative could risk rendering a tripping lad non-responsive, and I think there would be points where they would need to do a bit more than just lie there and float. I've been given midazolam for surgical procedures requiring a sort of responsive sedation, total amnesia but still able to obey commands. Had I been in charge of this teams drugs, that would have been my choice. And huffs of nitrous cos why not?
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
It's come out today that the boys were heavily sedated, even "barely conscious" during the rescue. No doubt a smart move...
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Newsweek didn?t specify the compound, it just said ?anti-anxiety? medication. Which I?m glad they did employ it. I?m not by any stretch of the imagination claustrophobic, but underwater cave diving seems to be at the top of the list for a definite freakout.
Glad those boys are safe, it?s cool to see the world come together
 
swilow said:
Hey SHM :)

I would have thought a dissociative could risk rendering a tripping lad non-responsive, and I think there would be points where they would need to do a bit more than just lie there and float. I've been given midazolam for surgical procedures requiring a sort of responsive sedation, total amnesia but still able to obey commands. Had I been in charge of this teams drugs, that would have been my choice. And huffs of nitrous cos why not?
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It might be that their options were limited. Who knows.

I must confess I paid very little attention to this event until it was nearly over. I guess largely because I can't help but feel the world's choices over what is and isn't some great story or event worth coming together over are somewhat random and entirely arbitrary. Which isn't to say I'm not happy for the positive outcome, just that I feel conflicted over this sense that these kids lives are just so important when a much larger number of children in any number of adverse conditions we could do something about are entirely ignored. Just doesn't seem right to me.

That said, I found the comments by the Thai prime Minister regarding the use of drugs truly perplexing.

Who would chloroform them? If they?re chloroformed, how could they come out? It?s called anxiolytic, something to make them not excited, not stressed
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It's probably got to do with a mixture of his own medical ignorance and the language barrier, but that comment seems so strange and random. Makes me think of the countrys standards as third world and that their rescue is even more a miracle.

Just, a weird thing to say. Makes me picture going in to have an operation only for the doctor to say something like "don't worry, we have drugs to make you unconscious, so you need not fear that we will hit you in the head with a brick". Ooo, k. I actually wasn't worried of that possibility to start with, but since you mention it, you sure you know what you're doing?
 
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What is the context of that remark? To me, it sounds like he's saying they are not using chloroform, but instead using an anxiolytic. I really don't know.

I agree that all this attention does seem arbitrary but I'm also surprised that 'the world' has rallied around a non-Western disaster. That is untypical imo.
 
The attention feels a tad refreshing though, to a degree, albeit hopefully not because of the World Cup does a shitty instance like this get attention. Footballers smh.
 
swilow said:
What is the context of that remark? To me, it sounds like he's saying they are not using chloroform, but instead using an anxiolytic. I really don't know.

I agree that all this attention does seem arbitrary but I'm also surprised that 'the world' has rallied around a non-Western disaster. That is untypical imo.
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I haven't been able to work out any context beyond the existence of the suggestion that the boys might have been drugged for the rescue attempt. But it's still a weird thing to say regardless.

My best guess is that he really has no idea himself how the medical side of the rescue went.
 
The longer I see this in the news since they were rescued the more something feels wrong about this. It has this distinct feeling to me that this whole event serves as a type of "reality entertainment" to people as much as something real. Maybe that's just me being cynical, but... If people were just hoping for a rescue and wanting to help, why would anyone give a fuck about such minute details like this? It seems to me exactly like the kind of behavior you seem displayed for things like celebrity weddings.
 
I think it's a little harsh to compare an extremely complex cave rescue involving heroic deeds on a daily basis which was successfully completed with no injury or loss of life for those rescued - an incredible triumph of planning and cooperation from which the world is still reeling in amazement; with a celebrity wedding :?
 
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Major disaster survival stories with people trapped alive really are the events where the fear for the fate of people and their families is palpable in our own lives. Covering them is important as the attention would surely drive all knownresources to help immediately.

Remember the Chilean miners? The Tasmanian miners? The fate of the Kursk though- refusing help by foreigners was so awful.
 
probably more than 25% of the population watched at least 5 minutes worth of video, it accounts for about 10 million man hours just being entertained with the news.

We spend a huge amount of time doing nothing, if we could channel our lost time imagine what we could do as a species.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I think it's a little harsh to compare an extremely complex cave rescue involving heroic deeds on a daily basis which was successfully completed with no injury or loss of life for those rescued - an incredible triumph of planning and cooperation from which the world is still reeling in amazement; with a celebrity wedding :?
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I'm not. I'm comparing the way it's being covered by the media to a celebrity wedding. My problem is the extreme.

People are already competing over rights to the movie ffs.

Yes, that people around the world came together and successfully pulled off this rescue is great. I'm happy for that. But, there's something kinda disturbing going on at the same time, just under the surface.

Yes, this was an international rescue, and that's great. I have nothing negative to say about the kids or the rescuers. But in the process, this became more than that. It became an intellectual property to be capitalized on.
 
aihfl said:
That's actually a decent point. This article points out that three of the boys aren't even Thai - they're stateless. Hopefully some of the proceeds will find their way to these boys.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-15/thai-boys-out-of-the-cave-but-no-place-to-call-home/9996302
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This whole thing feels like an enormous money making venture to me. Now that it's over, the natural progression is for people to completely forget that they'd ever cared in the first place within a month or so from now. When things like this happen, they become money making opportunities to be exploited. And that's how it feels to me and that's the problem I have.

I'm expecting that from here, they will continue trying to milk it a little longer with these fluff articles, then it'll disappear. Then in a while from now we will all go watch the movie and relive it and feel uplifted and inspired etc etc. But none of that has anything really do with these kids. It's using these kids as a property.

Make no mistake, for the vast majority of people, their part of this international rescue was to watch it unfold, to tweet about it and post about it. And in doing so, generate money for people capitalizing on the story.

It wouldn't have changed anything if it had been a hell of a lot smaller. That's the side I find kinda messed up.

The first I heard mention of a movie about this event, I'm fairly sure was actually a little before the rescue had been completed. There's something really not cool about all this.
 
^heh, that's life mate!

The media is a bitch - it's a powerful force for good, evil and the downright inane. The world is full of vultures ready to capitalise on peoples' misfortune. But what's the alternative? To keep a story like this secret from the world in case someone does a naughty?

This is the kind of incident that breaks down barriers, brings nations together and breeds empathy for each other. Nothing but positives. So some cunts are gonna make some money from it - it happens. Not saying it's right, but you've got to take the rough with the smooth...
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Speaking of cunts, here is Elon Musk, massive benefactor to the Republican Party, calling the British diver who rescued the boys a “pedo” for pointing out Musk’s submarine thing was a stunt.

https://mobile.twitter.com/john_sel...8?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
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Eh up Mr. Monday, long time no see.

Couldn't read yer link as I don't have a Twatter account, and have no intention of creating one, but that sounds like a real cunt's trick...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Eh up Mr. Monday, long time no see.

Couldn't read yer link as I don't have a Twatter account, and have no intention of creating one, but that sounds like a real cunt's trick...
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First tweet.

“I never saw this British ex-pat guy who lives in Thailand (sus) at any point.

Second tweet

“Water level was actually very low....if not I challenge this guy to show the final rescue video.”

Third tweet.

“You know what? Don’t bother...we’ll make our own...sorry pedo guy, you really did ask for it”

FFS.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
First tweet.

“I never saw this British ex-pat guy who lives in Thailand (sus) at any point.

Second tweet

“Water level was actually very low....if not I challenge this guy to show the final rescue video.”

Third tweet.

“You know what? Don’t bother...we’ll make our own...sorry pedo guy, you really did ask for it”

FFS.
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Ooof! Pretty boy billionaire cunt shows his true colours...
 
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