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Thailand Cave Rescue and aftermath

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MAE SAI, Thailand ? The scrawny boys were huddled on the floor of the cave when the British divers emerged from the murky water.
As his light flickered from one boy to another, one diver called out, ?How many of you??
?Thirteen,? a boy answered.
?Brilliant,? the diver said.
After 10 days trapped in a flooded cave complex in northern Thailand, and after an enormous search effort that had transfixed Thailand, the missing 12 boys and their soccer coach had finally been found in Tham Luang Cave on Monday.
In a brief video filmed by another diver, which was posted on the Thai Navy Seal Facebook page, the boys and their coach seemed in surprisingly good condition. Some boys sat and some stood as they spoke with the diver.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/02/...o-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


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The worst part is that most Thais (including these boys) cannot swim. So yeah good luck not panicking if you're already scared of water.
 
^I seemed to have missed the fact the boys can't swim: fuck, that adds another layer of complexity here.

Even the best swimmer would get pretty freaked out I think. A panicked human is apt to become really dangerous, even to seasoned divers. I wouldn't be surprised if they try and wait until the rainy season passes.
 
I can't imagine how scuba-ing them out is logistically possible. And the water pumping is a losing battle - they're going to get even more deluged
 
Since the rainy season is just beginning now and doesn't end til October there is ample time to teach them how to use scuba gear.

Honestly I think the best option is to get them out asap. Trying to supply a group of 13 people for months two miles underground is a horrendous undertaking. The cost of a 4 month vigil could save hundreds of people elsewhere.

We always look to a perfect solution but there is a huge chance the tiny air pocket will be unsustainable and they may all die. Thankfully there must be smart people on the ground that can make real calls. Rescue situations are handled by experts in their field, if it becomes a political potatoe and the decisions start being made by idiots that have no clue it could get horrible.

Imhe rescue at the earliest opportunity is important, conditions change and rarely get better suddenly by surprise.
 
I was watching the news and apparently all around the mountain, they are damming little streams and rivers, and pumping liquid frommthe water table. That seems a bit desperate.

YourBaker said:
We always look to a perfect solution but there is a huge chance the tiny air pocket will be unsustainable and they may all die.
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I've wondered about that. There has to be a huge chance of further flooding.

Awful situation, but just imagine how those boys would have felt when that diver popped up for the first time!
 
Sounds like shit is getting seriously complex here. I'm getting less convinced of a happy ending now . . .

Thai Navy SEAL diver working to rescue boys dies from lack of oxygen


Desperate push to free boys from Thai cave within 48 hours, before heavy rains hit

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Cave diving is v dangerous for amateurs, much less kids. Poor to zero visibility, strong currents, narrow passages, few accurate maps of caves, and if you or anyone in your group (and you should be in a group) gets knocked unconscious, for example, you can get stuck unexpectedly.

Here's a decent piece on it, but it's about an experienced cave diver: Cave Diving Is Every Bit As Dangerous and Wonderful As It Seems
 
^I posted a link to an article regarding that a few posts up . . . Rather alarming situation, eh.

Cduggles said:
Here's a decent piece on it, but it's about an experienced cave diver:
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Interesting read cduggles. Cave diving sounds both totally awesome and totally terrifying.
 
Sorry thought it was another death . Such a complicated situation , I would be so pissed at that coach . I think they should wait it out , if experienced divers can barely make it those boys won't be able to , they should stay put .
 
^The coach did give them his food apparently. That's something I suppose.

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1,700 meters is infinitesimal underground and if that passage is dangerous enough to kill an accomplished cave diver a kid with no training hasn't a chance. As the cave divers here in Florida say, "Murphy will get you if Darwin does not." I was also reading about how the raised water levels could create concerns for decompression sickness as any new water in the cave might cut off their current air supply and pressurize their air supply like breathing compressed air.
 
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Apparently they're gearing up for something dramatic. Things are getting desperate with air conditions deteriorating inside the cave.
 
They're up to 4 now. I can't believe those boys had the cojones to cave dive with no swimming experience but they've had to suspend the operation due to depleted air tanks. Will resume tomorrow morning local time. They keep saying 02 tanks, but as a diver, you can't dive on 02. You'd die from oxygen toxicity as soon as you hit about 16 feet of water. They're on compressed air. Or, if you're going really deep Nitrox (02 enriched) air, or if you're going really deep, heliox (which is exactly what it sounds like) or trimix.
 
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