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theonex

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Let me start off by saying, i'm naturally a horny fucking ANIMAL. I'm a self-diagnosed sex addict, all i think about is sex, and it's all I do. Continuing...

My last 5 week cycle of Halodrol at 50/50/75/75/75 went great. On cycle I was obviously even hornier than usual, and I was constantly fucking. Life was great. As soon as I stopped though, not so great. I took Novedex XT for about one week post-cycle. However, the ATD in Novedex kills my libido, and me...being the sex addict I am...decided to cut out Novedex all together. Because I know that my hormones can and will balance themselves out naturally over time....and having my sex drive back immediately is more important than my hormones.

Wrong idea. It's been over a month since my cycle ended and I'm still producing nothing but floppy half-ass boners. More scary, in fact, is that my sex drive is virtually non-existant. I never day dream about sex anymore. And I've been fucking around with this 10/10 I just recently met. She's fucking SLAMMIN hot and it's embarassing that even she can't get me hard or in the mood.

I bought Tribulus and am going to start taking large doses of that along with Zinc and Vitamin E. I'm also going to get back on Novedex.

Do you think this will help? Is there anything else you can reccomend? RX drugs like nolva and clomid I won't be able to get for atleast a few weeks if not months, so they're kinda useless for me.

PLEASE HELP ME IM FUCKING MISERABLE
 
First order of business get a bloodwork done: get your free test levels checked along w/anything else that could cause erectile problem - along with your libido in general.
 
IMO, run a normal pct. Here's an outline:

Weeks 1-3: hcg @ 500ius EOD
Weeks 1-8: nolva @ 20mgs/ED
 
maakshif said:
"It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy."
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Just by the wording of this sentence, I can tell you the author is a moron. Don't trust the rest of what they write.

HCG is suppressive to the htpa in and of itself. HCG, being a synthetic version of LH, stimulates the leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone (and some testosterone is then converted to estrogen, adding to its suppressive nature). The reason this is recommended is because it is the testes that take the longest time to recover post cycle. This is also why most nowadays recommend using hcg during the cycle. Nevertheless, the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen is thought to cause desentiziation of the leydig cells. This is why the concomitant use of nolvadex is recommended.

I assume the author originally meant that nolva stimulates the pituitary to produce LH and if one is taking hcg simulataneously, this will not happen. I agree, but there are other reasons to use the two in combination (as mentioned in the previous paragraph).

Last, 500ius EOD of hcg has been shown to bring intra-testicular testosterone levels to 125% of baseline levels. Obviously, this is supraphysiological and the basis of my recommendation.

Nevertheless, no one know for sure how much is the perfect dose. I've seen your recommended hcg use plenty of times and plenty of people have used it with success. The decision is for the original poster to make.

I would still strongly recommend the use of nolvadex with it though, especially if he uses your dosing as there would also be the chance of encountering gyno.
 
Before you do anything just get a bloodtest done on your testosterone levels and hell you can even get all your other hormones checked too. Don't bother telling your doctor what you've been doing. Just ask him for the tests. I've had tons of bloodwork done (never used anything but have been curious) and the doctor has never questioned me on it.

It's super easy you just get a bit of blood taken and a few days later they tell you what your levels are.
 
Get a full blood work done, HDL, LAL, AST, ALT, Test and Estrogen, If your test levels are super low compared to your Estro you'll probably need to take Nolva or Clomid to block the receptors and something to get the free roaming Estro like 6-0x0 which should help get you on track. But without the blood work you'll just be going off symptoms not numbers, so dosing your PCT would be much harder. BTW Novedex is NOT Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate)
 
yeah get the blood work,novalex xt will that,you should have just ketping taking them.depending on how the test goes maybe nov or clouimd(i would say go with clouimd cause im guessing you dont have gyno,but its all the same)also there a nat t-booster called t-911 from lg,check it out it has yombime(sp)that will help out you test levels and should help out with you problem
 
Get blood-work if its really concerning you.

Although Aanallein must have a nice doctor, because in my experience, asking your doctor for a medical test that he hasnt suggested, usually results in a rejection of that request.

If you cant get blood work, then do a proper PCT. Fuck that novedex XT shit, I wouldnt touch that with a 10 foot pole, and ive done PGF2a calf shots for fuck sakes.
 
Not to be rude guys but I said in my OP that I can not get access to clomid or nolva for months from now, and at that point they would be useless for me anyway.

I know that Novedex XT is not nolvadex. I never said it was.

Appreciate the blood work test suggestion, I definitly will get a test if my symptoms dont go away within the next week or two.

I'm already feeling much hornier and I finally actually desire sex again. Been taking between 4 and 5 grams of tribulus, around 1,000IU of Vitamin E, 50mg Zinc, and got back on two caps of Novedex xt daily.

We'll see what happens....so far so good....i'll keep u guys updated

Atleast I learned two things:

1) Prohormones suck. Next cycle will be AAS
2) Over-the-counter PCT's suck. Next PCT will include nolva/clomid/hcg
 
theonex said:
Not to be rude guys but I said in my OP that I can not get access to clomid or nolva for months from now, and at that point they would be useless for me anyway.

I know that Novedex XT is not nolvadex. I never said it was.

Appreciate the blood work test suggestion, I definitly will get a test if my symptoms dont go away within the next week or two.

I'm already feeling much hornier and I finally actually desire sex again. Been taking between 4 and 5 grams of tribulus, around 1,000IU of Vitamin E, 50mg Zinc, and got back on two caps of Novedex xt daily.

We'll see what happens....so far so good....i'll keep u guys updated

Atleast I learned two things:

1) Prohormones suck. Next cycle will be AAS
2) Over-the-counter PCT's suck. Next PCT will include nolva/clomid/hcg
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You have every right to be rude, I couldn't get through your whole post.

Just an FYI, nolva and clomid are about as easy to purchase as Tylenol as long as you're using it as a research chemical (not ingesting yourself) and there is nothing OTC that has been scientifically shown to increase testosterone production.

I didn't recommend the blood test because I don't find it an intelligent move to have screwed up blood tests in your medical records since you have to agree to release that information if you ever try to switch health insurance companies (happens all the time when you change jobs).
 
Anyone with an internet connection can get Nolva/Clomid in less than 2 weeks. I live in the UK and purchasing from the states usually takes <1 week. Unless you live in rural Uganda or don't know how to use google then theres no excuse....
 
theonex:

I can write the same exact post as you. Same exact experience with lifestyle, 10/10's and side effects almost word for word. I have an extra problem of numbness in my leg now that I'm off it. It's scary. I'm going to my Dr. tomorrow to get blood work done, don't listen to anyone that tells you not to go to the Dr. IT'S YOUR LIFE and WELLNESS at stake.

I would like some posts from people that have experienced the same side effects as we have.

Looking for legit answers not BS assumptions from people that don't REALLY know.

I believe prohormones are nurotoxic cumulative poisons and can effect some people in horrible ways. I did everything correctly pre-cycle til now. Some people don’t share the same effects but the dangers outweigh the benefits.
I’m depressed and I have lost so many of my passions because of this. My passions are literally gone… until this experience I was a VERY passionate person. STAY AWAY FROM PROHORMONES.

I will share what my Dr. Says, but it won’t replace what your Dr. will say to you. Everyone is different. Go to a Dr.
 
ikerush said:
I'm going to my Dr. tomorrow to get blood work done, don't listen to anyone that tells you not to go to the Dr. IT'S YOUR LIFE and WELLNESS at stake.
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This seemed like a personal shot at me, so here's my reply: Health should be everyone's #1 priority, but a post cycle crash is extremely common and not life threatening. IMO, you're blowing this out of proportion. Recovery after a cycle takes longer than a few weeks.
 
theonex said:
Let me start off by saying, i'm naturally a horny fucking ANIMAL. I'm a self-diagnosed sex addict, all i think about is sex, and it's all I do. Continuing...

My last 5 week cycle of Halodrol at 50/50/75/75/75 went great. On cycle I was obviously even hornier than usual, and I was constantly fucking. Life was great. As soon as I stopped though, not so great. I took Novedex XT for about one week post-cycle. However, the ATD in Novedex kills my libido, and me...being the sex addict I am...decided to cut out Novedex all together. Because I know that my hormones can and will balance themselves out naturally over time....and having my sex drive back immediately is more important than my hormones.

Wrong idea. It's been over a month since my cycle ended and I'm still producing nothing but floppy half-ass boners. More scary, in fact, is that my sex drive is virtually non-existant. I never day dream about sex anymore. And I've been fucking around with this 10/10 I just recently met. She's fucking SLAMMIN hot and it's embarassing that even she can't get me hard or in the mood.

I bought Tribulus and am going to start taking large doses of that along with Zinc and Vitamin E. I'm also going to get back on Novedex.

Do you think this will help? Is there anything else you can reccomend? RX drugs like nolva and clomid I won't be able to get for atleast a few weeks if not months, so they're kinda useless for me.

PLEASE HELP ME IM FUCKING MISERABLE
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Dude you sound exactly like me...I'm the horniest person on the planet..MY libidio is always high, I never had a problem with ED, and all I think about is sex sex sex!!!!

I ran a heavy stack of 3 methylated compounds...The product was STAKABOL it was a generous blend of Superdrol, Halodrol, and PHeraplex...When the cycle was over my testicles were half their normal size and I didn't think about sex for 3-4 weeks...You really need to get a SERM...I ran CLOMID for 4 weeks and then Novedex XT after the clomid to prevent an estrogen rebound...I also stocked up on viagra and cialis for ED...It took a good 3 months for me to FULLY recover...just give it time...

fuck prohormones
 
Sad sad day when some poor fucker gets popped purchasing/importing a scheduled drug (at least in the US) like Clomid or Nolvadex for PCT for his LEGAL pro-hormone cycle.
 
I just think it's beyond comprehension to be purchasing this gray market/pseudo-legal gear only to end up purchasing ancillaries that are scheduled the same as real AAS.

Not to mention the side effects & degree of HPTA compromise is often more pronounced than if one were using real AAS.

But then again I've been guilty of injecting dirty Mexican Reforvit-B and smoking cannabinoids like JWH & CP.

:)
 
hiddenbeneathe said:
You have every right to be rude, I couldn't get through your whole post.

Just an FYI, nolva and clomid are about as easy to purchase as Tylenol as long as you're using it as a research chemical (not ingesting yourself) and there is nothing OTC that has been scientifically shown to increase testosterone production.

I didn't recommend the blood test because I don't find it an intelligent move to have screwed up blood tests in your medical records since you have to agree to release that information if you ever try to switch health insurance companies (happens all the time when you change jobs).
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The only internet source i know of is alinshop, but they have a $200 minimum order fee and i've heard of orders taking months to arrive sometimes. Are you talking about another internet source? Or actually buying it from a US pharmacy for "research purposes"? I'm confused

p-mo said:
Anyone with an internet connection can get Nolva/Clomid in less than 2 weeks. I live in the UK and purchasing from the states usually takes <1 week. Unless you live in rural Uganda or don't know how to use google then theres no excuse....
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yea...read my above post

ikerush said:
theonex:

I can write the same exact post as you. Same exact experience with lifestyle, 10/10's and side effects almost word for word. I have an extra problem of numbness in my leg now that I'm off it. It's scary. I'm going to my Dr. tomorrow to get blood work done, don't listen to anyone that tells you not to go to the Dr. IT'S YOUR LIFE and WELLNESS at stake.

I would like some posts from people that have experienced the same side effects as we have.

Looking for legit answers not BS assumptions from people that don't REALLY know.

I believe prohormones are nurotoxic cumulative poisons and can effect some people in horrible ways. I did everything correctly pre-cycle til now. Some people don’t share the same effects but the dangers outweigh the benefits.
I’m depressed and I have lost so many of my passions because of this. My passions are literally gone… until this experience I was a VERY passionate person. STAY AWAY FROM PROHORMONES.

I will share what my Dr. Says, but it won’t replace what your Dr. will say to you. Everyone is different. Go to a Dr.
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PARooolller said:
Dude you sound exactly like me...I'm the horniest person on the planet..MY libidio is always high, I never had a problem with ED, and all I think about is sex sex sex!!!!

I ran a heavy stack of 3 methylated compounds...The product was STAKABOL it was a generous blend of Superdrol, Halodrol, and PHeraplex...When the cycle was over my testicles were half their normal size and I didn't think about sex for 3-4 weeks...You really need to get a SERM...I ran CLOMID for 4 weeks and then Novedex XT after the clomid to prevent an estrogen rebound...I also stocked up on viagra and cialis for ED...It took a good 3 months for me to FULLY recover...just give it time...

fuck prohormones
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Yeah, definitely fuck PH's and otc pcts.

But it's been over a week, and I must say i'm MUCH MUCH better. I finally could fuck today (even though I wasn't as hard as I should be). My inner-sexual-animal is starting to return. My desire for sex isn't where it should be, but its definitely rebounding. I think this is mostly in part to the Zinc and Tribulus b/c Novedex tends to have a libido-killing effect for me. In two or three days I will be completeing my Novedex bottle, so I think the real recovery will occur when I'm done with that. I'll keep u guys updated.
 
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