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Test kit being tricked

Danc9552003

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Hey everybody, I'm pretty sure I read a thread on here about how there is a pretty easy way to make a positive test come up (for mdma) even tho there is no mdma in the pill. I just want to know if there is anything that test kit makers are doing to stop this? It sucks because a lot of pills I have tested now make me think 'maybe it was something else in there....' Anyways, thanks for any info!
 
What reagents are you using?

There are many reagents not presently marketed. However, most of these either do not react with a large range of drugs, are extremtly toxic, have poor shelf life or contain very expensive chemicals. So in many ways the best are already available.

It's important to remember that kits are only intended as presumptive tests, used to indicate the possible presence of a specific drug or drug type.

Thin Layer Chromatography (TLC) is a somewhat more fiddly technique which also often employs spot test reagents such as Marquis. Ideally, a mixture of compounds is separated using TLC and the reagent is sprayed on the TLC plate. The reagent then produces the familiar colours with different compounds. The distance a spot travels along the plate is determined and shown as a ratio to the distance of the solvent face (known as the Rf value). By comparing the Rf value of a known sample of the drug in question, it's usually relatively easy to identify whether or not the drug is present. If a mixture of drugs is evident, ideally they will separate into distinct spots (also depends somewhat on the solvents used) but the target drug - if present - should be the only one that travels the same distance as the pure sample. By repeating using a different solvent mixture (or changing the ratios) a positive can be further confirmed as the Rf values will change from solvent to solvent.

Aside from being a bit more time consuming than the average Testing Kit, the major disadvantages with TLC involve costs and the range of solvents sometimes required. A UV (extended bamdwidth) light source is often also required for viewing the spots. TLC plates are quite expensive, but large plates can be purchased and cut down to size, thereby saving money. Many of the usual solvents are inflamable and some are toxic.

Basic TLC tutorial
 
Thanks for the info phase-dancer!! Right now I'm using the mecke, marquis, and simons, so I guess thats gonna have to do for now :) And yeah, those tests with the TLC plates seem pretty crazy, I wish I had the money and know-how to do it correctly!
 
The one that indicated MDMA can be tricked by using liver powder or something?. not really sure, read it on bluelight :(
 
Danc9552003 said:
Hey everybody, I'm pretty sure I read a thread on here about how there is a pretty easy way to make a positive test come up (for mdma) even tho there is no mdma in the pill. I just want to know if there is anything that test kit makers are doing to stop this? It sucks because a lot of pills I have tested now make me think 'maybe it was something else in there....' Anyways, thanks for any info!


I'm coming to the conclusing that these EZ tests are easily tricked or just not that accurate. I barely trust them anymore after giving me the pure mdma indicationa dn no speed results yet the pills being something other than mdma.
 
Meth mixed with MDMA will normally be impossible to distinguish with Marquis, Mandelin & Mecke. What's needed is a test that doesn't react with MDMA but does with meth. Providing binders, excipients, cuts (in powder) etc don't react, the cobalt thiocyanate reagent should give a blue for meth or mixtures of meth and MDMA but no color with only MDMA.

Note: Amphetamine Sulphate doesn't react with the thiocyanate reagent, but it should be picked up by a primary amine test.

Formula: Dissolve 2g of cobalt thiocyanate in 100mL of methanol (Spot tests: A Color Chart Reference for Forensic Chemists, by Johns et al)
 
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I've only got a print copy although I've been meaning to scan it. I'll attend to it asap and send you a copy when it's done.
 
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