Bupe Temgesic 0.2mg, fent/heroin wd's

[tyler5]

i'm on 3-methylfentanyl and heroin and do 5-20 bags a day.
how much, if AT ALL, would they help me with the hell im about to endure?

oh, i sniff the bags. no IV'ing, thank god.
i also have access to Tramadol 50mg IR.
would 400mg of tramadol be more helpful than those ridiculous 0.2mg bupe tablets (Temgesic)?


edit: i also have access to unlimited CODEINE (CWE'd from OTC 8/500APAP tabs )
should i taper with codeine instead?i remember 480mgv giving me a nice high (and NO itching or other neg. effects AT ALL) when i was naive to opiates.

PLEASE reply ASAP, THANK YOU in advance

 

[tyler5]

IYHO, will these 3 tabs help my fent/H (ROA:sniffing) with my w/d's?


the fent is in powder form, heroin is afghan, also powder 'course, i dunno which number, its tan in colour.
i just know there is also 3-methylfentanyl added to it, to make the bags smaller (you get high with less shit) and to make people addicted quicker and to make them need another shot more quickly and i think it costs 0$/ruble to make cause of all the huge (im talking industrial scale, like they have for methamphetamine in Indonesia and/or China, for example) chemical labs/chemicals - everything else that was sold to about 8-10 people in 88-90.

99.5% of opiates are used via needles in russia which are perfectly legal to obtain. whether its IV or IM, i dunno.
most of the time, they, junkies, dont either, cause everything is so dirty,vile and disgusting on their bodies and they just wantr the horrific wd's t0 stop. so they just keep punching the bent needle into open wounds/abcesses etc.
IV drug use is coded into russian people. when little child has high fever, mother wont let do tor leave apartment until a shot is given. no tablets, no patches, no other bullshit.

russians know and remember from memoirs of their loved ones from WWII, that when a bomb took boyth your legs/arms only a medic with his 'magic needle' cpould make life berable,even for a second.its fucked, but thats what they generally still believe..

so in a nutshell, those people control all the 200+mil people living over Russia.
some more, some less (the richer You are, the closer to Them you are).
that was offtopic... thats fent/heroin for ya

i can also get codeine 8/500 tabs APAP and 480mg had me feeling great for 1-1.5 hrs back in the day. 0 neg. effects like itching, red skin etc.
NO neg effects, PERIOD.

anyway, which would be best?
480mg+ of codeine 1-2 times a day to try and live through thre first week at 1-2x 480mg codeine and then taper the codeine to 180mg once a day. or try the bupe (3x 0.2 tabs) ?

just looking for an opinion

thank You SO MUCH

 

[Oxymorphone]

I would stick to the codeine, that bupe won't hold you unless you took a lot. Or you could just taper with the heroin/fent first to make it even easier, but you should be fine with codeine. Stay away from the tramadol it won't help.

 

[BaybeX]

^Why wouldn't Tramadol help?
I have a pretty big habit/tolerance and 300-400mgs helps me immensely.

I know I'm not the only one it helps.

 

[tyler5]

thats what i would like - diff. people giving their diff. perspectives on the situation.
remember, the bupe i have is 0.2mg TEMGESIC brand and i can not acquire any more.
then again,ive read stories whre people DID an extremely fast bupe taper and it worked. please dont offer to 'go get more vbupe/go to a doctor,man' - please see my 'Location'(can be seen under my name and avatar=

 

[axe battler]

the tramadol and codeine combined should help you out. Dont bother with the bupe cause you only have a little bit. save that for when your almost through your withdrawals and your tolerance is low; snort one and a half of those, see if it helps, if so, wait 36 hours, then do the other 0.3mg. The temgestic should help for 4 days that way if your tolerance is low enough.

GOOD LUCK!

 

[Oxymorphone]

thats what i would like - diff. people giving their diff. perspectives on the situation.
remember, the bupe i have is 0.2mg TEMGESIC brand and i can not acquire any more.
then again,ive read stories whre people DID an extremely fast bupe taper and it worked. please dont offer to 'go get more vbupe/go to a doctor,man' - please see my 'Location'(can be seen under my name and avatar=

People put way too much damn thought into their "WD process" and end up making it way worse than it has to be by planning elaborate tapers and by virtue that they expect it to be horrible they make it worse. You have all this stuff, why don't you try what works for you instead of asking us? We can't tell you since we have no idea how much you were actually using and everybody reacts differently to everything and has way different thresholds of discomfort. What I can hardly notice might be the worst thing ever for you. Focus on how you are going to change your life so you minimize the (large) chance of using again, you need to change everything and this experience is insignificant.

 

[adder]

Why wouldn't tramadol help? Well, this drug is apparently only a partial agonist at mu receptors (and its more active metabolite has little affinity to receptors). Anyway, it's widely known noradrenaline has to do with pain also. So it may be alright as a pain medicine for most people with no tolerance to opioids as this little effect from mu partial agonism and NAT blocking properties together give an effect.

For an addict it may be of less help than codeine to be honest. I remember I left a clinic once with a script for this shit and I was supposed to take 100mg 4 times a day (funny, as the guy could prescribe me both methadone and buprenorphine, it's just a matter of will, anyway these drugs must be written on special Rpw. scripts so he didn't bother). With my ~160mg of morphine sulfate / 40mg of levorphanol tartrate a day tolerance then, even 1600mg of tramadol at once didn't help and I didn't get convulsions thanks to clonazepam, I guess.

By partial agonist, I don't mean it might cause withdrawal as buprenorphine might as 3-desmethyltramadol has little affinity for mu receptors in contrast to buprenorphine.

I'd stick to codeine, at some point I used it i.m. for relief but I guess you're going to end up needing 400mg even thrice a day. It depends actually on your tolerance - heroin you're talking about isn't supposed to be snorted as it's freebase and as such it's poorly absorbed, that's why people cook it up with citric acid or 10% acetic acid water solution. The other thing is response to codeine, I was always surprised how I could hold on seeing many people not coping with withdrawal taking codeine, it was alright for them to take for one or two days just to get heroin.

 

[lizcass]

I can honestly say i've done everything stupid to do that is at all possible in relation to shooting up. aghh

 

[phuq]

I've gone through this before. Honestly the best way is to just cold turkey it...the other stuff will just prolong the process. How are you doing now?

Also, didn't know codeine was OTC in Russia..interesting!

 

[allalong]

Didn't you ask the same question on another forum (one devoted to those types of drugs,) recently, or am I mistaking you with another person?

Anyway, you never said how many of the 0.2 mg bupe tablets that you have. If you have, say, an entire prescription of them, there's no reason that I can think of that low doses couldn't help you to get through withdrawal, or even taper down. I'd venture that, depending on the strength of your dope, but given that you are able to get by with five bags per day, you'd be surprised how little bupe will hold you...at least to the point of allowing you to taper a bit, comfortably. Once the withdrawals really start (NOT before that, or you're in for a lot of pain) to set in, you could try taking bupe in 0.5 mg increments every hour and seeing how you feel, provided that you have access to enough that this is viable.

If that isn't something that you want to do, and you decide to just taper a bit and go cold turkey, low doses of the bupe should, at the very least, help you to get through withdrawals.