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Heroin Tell me about heroin, please.

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BluelightAlter

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Hi all.

This is my first post on Blue Light. I want some real answers from people who know what the hell they're talking about- hopefully that's you. A childhood friend of mine passed away last week- she was 19. She was blond, slender, beautiful, a reliable blue collar worker, joyous and fun- in short, the antithesis of what the anti-drug propaganda would like you to believe users look like.

I am probably more naive than I ever imagined. I have smoked pot a handful of times, obtained through a stoner ex, and occasionally pop Percocets for pain an Advil could probably take care of... I didn't realize you could even get heroin here in Central Pennsylvania.

So a few questions- is it common to not know a heroin user is using?

How expensive is heroin? Compared to weed or alcohol?

And, while I know nobody here can give me details or certainty, what does an overdose usually look like? Would she have been conscious of her death?

Thank you for taking your time to read and reply- I appreciate it.
 
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is it common to not know a heroin user is using?
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depends on how often you are around them. if you know what to look out for its usually pretty easy (slowed thinking, pinned eyeballs, never having money to spend, disappearing for extended periods of time for no reason)

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How expensive is heroin? Compared to weed or alcohol?
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more than both of those, by a large margin most likely

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What does an overdose usually look like? Would she have been conscious of her death?
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they slowly nod off further and further just like someone who falls asleep does except they never wake up. If you IV it can happen incredibly fast. And no, you lose consciousness and the last thing she probably thought was

"damn, Im fucked up!"
 
It turns all your bad feelings into good feelings. It's a nightmare!

all kidding aside, if the user is quite a heavy user I'd say yes it's pretty easy to tell when someone is using. It probably boils down more to the person over the actions that person is doing but some people hide it well. I think it helps a lot when you've done the drug yourself so you know what to look for.

Heroin depending where you locate it can be very expensive or you're cheapest choice in getting an opiate high. I know it places like New Jersey it's cheaper than a gram of weed or a 5th of cheap liquor but where I live in rural Ky it can be up to 3 times that amount for the same amount of product. Saying that if you have a real habit it's going to be pretty damn expensive

Overdoses usually produce shallow breathing, pale skin, blue lips and sometimes complete unconsciousness
 
Heroin can be cheaper or more expensive to use daily than alcohol or weed depending on tolerance and market location. Chances are it's more expensive though, but it's dirt cheap compared to cocaine. If a person is wealthy, the addiction is way easier to hide because supply isn't hanging by a thread, and the ups and downs of street life can make a habit much easier to detect. An overdose looks like the user just dies gently. Just passes out and then turns blue. She was definitely completely unconscious for her death, and probably has no idea she died.
 
I'm sorry for your loss. Unfortunately it is easy to hide an addiction from those closest to us for a good amount of time. If you don't know what to look for it is easy to play it off like it is nothing or explain away some odd behavior to a less harmful sounding means. Ie taking pills, smoking weed, drinking too much the night before, having a cold were excuses I used regularly to hide the fact of what I was doing.

And in Central PA if you know the right people heroin is very cheap and very a available. Philly, jersey, ny and Baltimore are close to certain cities in central PA.
 
Very interesting replies- I appreciate you guys taking time to give them. Nobody I've spoken with (coroner, attending EMS first responder, and later the funeral home director) would state with any certainty the manner in which she died. The funeral director went so far as to say "drug users are tortured souls- this one was tortured to her last breath". Obviously I'm devastated that my friend is gone, but by your accounts it actually sounds like a really good way to go out.
 
I knew someone who lived in OH who was addicted for two years that delivered for cartels and even knew a very bright kid who one day od due to a dealer he connected with a supplier after he stated to use less forgot to tell him the bags were more potent. At the time he felt devastated thinking of how it felt to be alone as it happened.... Although I'm sure his feeling somewhat responsible made it harder. He was studying chemical dependency too.

He told me from what he read/seen that when an addict who is about to die due to od is brought back with narcab is usually pissed as they were happy and ok with what was happening. Even though there may have been life issues for her I do not think she suffered a painful death, but rather drifted to sleep forever in a warm cloud. I can't say for sure.



I am sorry you have to go through this as it is always hard to lose anyone, and especially someone close. She will live on with you forever in the memories you have of her that I'm sure you cherish. While I bet she wouldn't want you to block out the emotion of her death I am sure she would want you to find a way to be happy still and live life for the both of you, but mainly yourself.

I know I can't understand the situation your in our the level of difficulty it is to deal with this, but I do wish you the best. There are always great people around for support in times of need I find.

Edit: If someone wants to they can find any drug anywhere with money thanks to the internet unfortunately. Heroin and opiates are a big problem in general. As far as hiding addiction as long as they didn't abuse the compound causing obvious side effects like narcolepsy, essentially slowly falling asleep all the time, or other less obvious things like vomiting, shaking, sweating, and other minor side effects.

I will throw this out too. Benzodiazepines anti anxiety medication like xanax, ativan, klonopin, etc. are extremely addictive causing severe physical dependency and will potentiate the respiratory depression affects of opiates. Alcohol of course makes it worse. It's possible a combo of regular amounts of each caused a synergy of effect leading to slowed and stopped breathing during sleep. There is the possibility she had morphine or something prescribed and it all combined although I highly doubt script s were involved due to the coreners comment.
 
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Yeah definitely check out that thread Bamboo mentioned. Also, take a look at The Heroin Megathread for more basic info. We have a large amount of H threads in OD, from basic topics to advanced, etc. Use the search engine to look around.

Also, if you're interested in the using/social culture of heroin, I'd advise you to look into some threads in Drug Culture, and the heroin social threads in NASADD.
 
No, for the most part you wont know if someone is using heroin, or any opiate for that matter. Unlike meth or something you kinda look the same as you did b4 the opiate use. I mean when your using you usually have small pupils and cant take a dump but those are usually about the only things that change. Your next question how much is heroin? Heroin varies in prices depending where u live, in the Nj/Ny area its about no prices a bag or no prices a point.Your last question i can't really help with, I've never seen an overdose but I've heard about a couple. They get blue/purple and its just bad man.
 
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You people are awesome- I mean that. This is the first I've seen any *real* answers. No sweet fluffy feel good answers, no antidrug regurgitated DARE material, just real info. It's been so helpful for me to read through the threads you've suggested, especially the thread where posters talked about how they got started (because unlike the picture my straight laced Catholic high school painted for me, it sounds like most of you came from NORMAL backgrounds). I just opened the two new ones you suggested as well.

I have to say I was also taken aback by how many posters mentioned prescriptions given for injuries getting them hooked- those Percocets I pop from time to time? I've had to take more than a single dose to get a good effect, and while I wouldn't go so far as to call myself hooked, I read story after story of people just like me GETTING hooked in the same equally innocuous manner... You can bet I'll be more careful with my own choices.
 
Sadly the reality is most these drug use development stories are reality while dare is full of lies and essentially a terrorist tactic to instill fear in drug use to prevent it. Most people don't even know what addiction is until it is to late. Even your story can go either way. Your friend was normal and probably had the same struggles of life as most in their position too. What happened is a mistake and an unfortunate one too for that matter. I just hope it helps to know that having a great friend like you and anyone in her community that was positive is probably why she was happy.

I would not hold you responsible at all for not knowing. Some of their stress probably came from hiding their use, which was their choice unfortunately. My best recommendation is to remember the good times to allow her to live on in you while never forgetting what happened so you can help yourself and others avoid making the same mistakes.

My best recommendation for your use would be to study any and all drugs you use, their risks, and how to identify real and fake substances via test kit really available online with a debit card completely legal. Make sure you never get anything unless you know where the specific batch comes from and how pure it is. Knowing your drugs to mange due you only engage in minimal risk use is what harm reduction is all about.
 
is it common to not know a heroin user is using?

Depends on the person.. I know people who you can flat-out see that they are junkies.. then you have the 'suburbanites' or weekend warriors, which might be a little more difficult to spot, but any regular user would be able to tell..

How expensive is heroin? Compared to weed or alcohol?
One stamp of dope usually goes for the same price of a dime of reggie.

And, while I know nobody here can give me details or certainty, what does an overdose usually look like? Would she have been conscious of her death?
No. If somebody were to O/D you would definitely be able to tell.. They'll be incapacitated/unconscious, not breathing.

Anyways, don't get involved with dope. It's the worst thing you could ever do in this lifetime of yours.
 
If someone is just maintaining their habit, it can be pretty difficult to tell that they're on heroin. I got away with it for years before anyone suspected a thing. If they're faceplanting or nodding out constantly, or in w/ds, that's a bit different.

The price of heroin really depends on how much a person is using. I got up to $200 a day, which is a pretty big habit.
 
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I have to say I was also taken aback by how many posters mentioned prescriptions given for injuries getting them hooked- those Percocets I pop from time to time? I've had to take more than a single dose to get a good effect, and while I wouldn't go so far as to call myself hooked, I read story after story of people just like me GETTING hooked in the same equally innocuous manner... You can bet I'll be more careful with my own choices.
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Yeah man. The prescription opiates really are a devil in disguise. I can't tell you how many heroin addicts, started with scripted opiates, even simple ones like hydrocodone, codeine, or low dose oxycodone. Because heroin has such a nasty stigma attached to it, and pills don't because they are "prescriptions", people justify their usage. But, what they don't realize, is you can get just has addicted, both physically and mentally to pain pills as you can with heroin. Your tolerance grows, the pills become too expensive, and then people move on to heroin.. even though they adamantly said they would never ever touch it and were disgusted by the mere mention of it. But addiction is a powerful thing, and it compromises your morals and rules one by one.

Be careful, brother. Be safe.
 
BluelightAlter said:
Hi all.

This is my first post on Blue Light. I want some real answers from people who know what the hell they're talking about- hopefully that's you. A childhood friend of mine passed away last week- she was 19. She was blond, slender, beautiful, a reliable blue collar worker, joyous and fun- in short, the antithesis of what the anti-drug propaganda would like you to believe users look like.
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Natural selection ruled out your friend as being unfit to survive our society. Our society only allows their members to obtain chemical reward by buying things because it's the engine of our economy. Someone obtaining chemical reward through other means is a useless member in our society, so society let her die because it didn't have any use for her kind and it also sets an example for others who might want to try it. Let her die how? By keeping drug subjects taboo, by favoring a generalized lack of clinical data. If you try to find a study of dose dependent responses to Heroin in mice you won't find much. They just want to be sure no one can use Heroin safely.

What do you do in this case, when you decide to use? You triple the amount of research hours, you study biochemistry and after a few years of learning you end up possessing the necessary knowledge to use the substance, assuming it is pure from a trusted source. It's like an electrical room. You imagine walking into one and start playing with the wires with no certain knowledge? You expose yourself.
 
this theory might be kinda far out there....but some are even blaming the current opiate addiction epidemic on cell phone towers.

say whattttttt?

that these cell towers cause our minds to be in a constant state of irritability...and that opiates are the only thing that bring us back to normalcy. Could be the reason the bees are dying too...who knows.

article regarding this....out yesterday-

http://www.naturalnews.com/044464_cell_towers_EMF_pollution_mental_confusion.html

were all zombies because of these cell phone towers. (kidding...kinda)

another weird thing....I remember last spring, seeing so many healthy insects dead and dying for no reason. (and twitching) We don't insect spray anywhere around the house either. They'd just be dropped from the sky and landing on our deck.

lets see if it happens again this Spring....keep an eye on the insects.

Autism epidemic? hmm...no wonder.... NJ has so many cell phone towers.
 
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