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Technology will Equal Morality

Technology will Equal Morality

This is a line in one of Paul Laffoley's paintings: "Mind Physics: The Burning of Samsara" (I wish to write like he draws).

Does this statement make sense to you? Does it not? Discuss?


IMO I think the statement has some validity because as technology increases, peoples moral responsibilities to each other and the world will lesson. So that for example if your an inherently violent person, there will be technology that will allow you to be violent, but not hurt anyone. This is my example for lack of a much better one.

better example:
I believe that in the future as society becomes more tolerant of others and their ways of behaving, we will not punish people anymore who have different moral beliefs. Instead, using technology we will understand them and allow them to live they way they want to live but without problems to others. So its like allowing moral relativism by way of technology.
 
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Quantum Perception said:
"Mind Physics: The Burning of Samsara" (I wish to write like he draws).

Does this statement make sense to you? Does it not? Discuss?
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It makes absolutely no sense to me. Every word of it is made of Jargon that is completely useless without the speaker supplying definitions. Can you explain to me how does one 'burn samsara'? Does it work with plain gasoline? Do you need to dry it out first? And what on earth is 'mind physics'? Generally, witty phrases (like the one you quote) tend to appeal only to people who are completely stoned ("like, woah dude!") perciseley because you need drugs to appreciate something that is essentially meaningless.

To reply to your post as a whole, I remain highly skeptical of the promise of technology. I'd like to see people so enthusiastic about technology if there wasn't so much money in it. Also, what you're proposing appears to be a "there's an app for that" type of deal which, if anything, I find rather scary because you're putting far too much faith in the hands of a few rich scumbags...
 
I thought of a better example

Technology will be the answer to future moral problems.
Any moral problems that we face today, perhaps, can be solved by technological innovations rather then changing he subjects moral or social views.
 
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Jamshyd said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me. Every word of it is made of Jargon that is completely useless without the speaker supplying definitions. Can you explain to me how does one 'burn samsara'? Does it work with plain gasoline? Do you need to dry it out first? And what on earth is 'mind physics'? Generally, witty phrases (like the one you quote) tend to appeal only to people who are completely stoned ("like, woah dude!") perciseley because you need drugs to appreciate something that is essentially meaningless.

To reply to your post as a whole, I remain highly skeptical of the promise of technology. I'd like to see people so enthusiastic about technology if there wasn't so much money in it. Also, what you're proposing appears to be a "there's an app for that" type of deal which, if anything, I find rather scary because you're putting far too much faith in the hands of a few rich scumbags...
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Perhaps you should re think what fire may mean here. Did you see the painting?

I don't see it as nonsense, braining samsara can be thought of living thought it or using it up. If you look at the painting the wheel of Samara has all the attributes of waking existence with reality, so this can be just a representation of Samara and our passages and use/emergence of it.
 
Quantum Perception said:
I thought of a better example

Technology will be the answer to future moral problems.
Any moral problems that we face today, perhaps, can be solved by technological innovations rather then changing he subjects moral or social views.
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No. Technology can't come up with anything new. So any new challenge or dilemma will not be resolved by "technology" alone.
 
^ what do you mean technology cant come up with anything new? Its technology that allows us to achive novel experiences and opportunities; think of the microscope or the airplane.
 
Technology to rewire the brains of those who fall outside of normal societial parameters, it's been done Electro Convulsive Therapy was its name. If you're suggesting that we should wish to rely on technology to make people fall into line with expectations then I'd see that as a potentially devastingly negative action from which the individual and society as a whole would be embracing disempowerment. I'm sure there will be technological applications that can help people with mental illnesses should they wish it - there already are such applications lurking under the banner of medicines.
Peoples moral obligations to themselves & others is a personal choice, avoiding facing those problems by using drugs or this up & coming technology ought to be the very last refuge.
 
"If you're suggesting that we should wish to rely on technology to make people fall into line with expectations then I'd see that as a potentially devastingly negative action from which the individual and society as a whole would be embracing disempowerment" -B9


No, what I said was that it can help accommodate people to each other, not change their minds. So its not about forcing people to change their behavior or point of view using technology, but rather using technology as a way to allow people to have what ever moral view they have but at the same time be able to live harmoniously with other conflicting moral points of view. So for example, if a person likes to hurt people, instead of shocking him/her until they stop doing so, you use technology to allow the person to fulfill their urges yet at the sametime not hurt others (virtual reality).
 
So basically if you've a hankering for the murder & dismemberment of prostitutes then someone writes you a programme & you can butcher away to your hearts content. I think people might after a while still feel the need to practice their chosen art form for real. I've a feeling that these urges may not manifest clearly in a persons mind but that there may be a trigger & it's pretty unlikely that there will be a console with the appropriate programme to hand. i apologise for using extreme examples I'm sure some of the less offensive behaviours could ptrobably be catered for - question is would they be gateway virtual realities leading to "harder programmes" with the risk that it just isn't real enough being ever present ?
 
B9 said:
So basically if you've a hankering for the murder & dismemberment of prostitutes then someone writes you a programme & you can butcher away to your hearts content. I think people might after a while still feel the need to practice their chosen art form for real. I've a feeling that these urges may not manifest clearly in a persons mind but that there may be a trigger & it's pretty unlikely that there will be a console with the appropriate programme to hand. i apologise for using extreme examples I'm sure some of the less offensive behaviours could ptrobably be catered for - question is would they be gateway virtual realities leading to "harder programmes" with the risk that it just isn't real enough being ever present ?
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I feel like it's like this already. However, this is not to say that we need to move "back" in time. We just need to learn how to create our own decisions and not be led by illusions.
 
What you're talking about isn't technology replacing morality, but, rather, facilitating immorality. Wrong won't become right just because one can engage in wrong behavior without fear of consequence -- in fact, the program you suggest might well be the "flight simulator" of violent crime. A practice tool. I'm thinking I don't like the smell of it.
 
But what if the program is so realistic, there is almost no differenc? So in essence the video game becomes indistinguishable from reality in look, feel, and blood (lol).

However would not the "pilot training" aspect work with all forms of media, like violent TV shows and video games?

Lol these violent examples suck.
 
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# Technology will replace Morality
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technology is how our will is extended into the universe. morality is how we guide that will.

our morality is is a part of our technology/biology (eg the brain, or the perceptual pathways that can carry cognition further like calculators or internets) and so could be seen as a part of technology/biology.

(technology is a natural extension of our biology. the duality is illusory)
 
to be able to simulate anything is by no means equating to real life morality. one does not lead to the other.

it is an interesting topic on its own and without that absurd assertion you're stubbornly sticking to.
 
I was thinking about this the other day and I thought that in order for morality to be realized in a wider scale there'd need to be a way to measure how moral people are acting. I was thinking that with the instant updates of twitter, facebook statuses, and the increasing amount of data that programs just passively collect about you as you surf the net, more and more personal information will become available to everyone, thus they'll know how moral you are in a sense, and if people react negatively to that news you can straighten yourself out, or become ostracized from the network at large until they've been "rehabilitated" to a sufficient degree in people's eyes. The progress of their rehabilitation could be tracked almost instantly by the same means. Of course these things should be applied far more to large corporate powers.
Their reputation, or moral standing, could become a quantifiable figure, and people can buy or sell
I do agree with Jam that "there's an app" for that is becoming a new age utopian ideal in a way, but with all the open source programming I don't see how any few people can organize it so they'll royally fuck over the rest of us. Actually, I do see how a few organizations could be put in charge of deciding which open-source programmers are better certified, and therefore there's an opportunity for corruption. Meh, there's always opportunity for corruption, but with the increasing transparency, and people agreeing that this method is just as valuable to an individual or entities measure of success as their monetary assets its could be a stronger force for good than people currently can imagine. I see that phenomenon as being decentralized, and I think decentralization is a way to solve lots of moral problems we currently face.
With the decentralization of power/energy AND moral authority, I think that could possibly be one interpretation of this idea.
I don't see how it "replaces morality" though, it just facilitates it.

The thing with this idea though, is that there are underlying assumptions that grip large swaths of people that affect their opinions, whether or not they know it, the entities who influence those assumptions still control the outcome of events to some degree. I guess well funded things like Fox News still will have their will carried out under this system, but Fox News itself could potentially be dethroned as chief brainwasher by the very same methods that it currently uses to discredit its opponents.
 
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