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tackling the big issues.... underage drinking + australia's drinking culture...

Oh dear. I am so sorry for being just so ridiculous 8) How silly of me to suggest that certain venues attract certain crowds. I must be going mad - regardless of the fact i am 26 and have been going out for 10 years now! But what would i know, right?

Let's hope they do something about this glasses and plastic cups thing right away then huh. Seems to be the only option as far as you're concerned. Oh wait! I know - how about just not going out at all! since the idiots are everywhere!

How long have you been in Melbourne for again? Hmm.
 
drugfukkdrockstar said:
Oh dear. I am so sorry for being just so ridiculous 8) How silly of me to suggest that certain venues attract certain crowds. I must be going mad - regardless of the fact i am 26 and have been going out for 10 years now! But what would i know, right?

Let's hope they do something about this glasses and plastic cups thing right away then huh. Seems to be the only option as far as you're concerned. Oh wait! I know - how about just not going out at all! since the idiots are everywhere!

How long have you been in Melbourne for again? Hmm.
as eggman stated, its impossible to guage who will be in what venue at any given time. many towns & small city's have only several venue to choose from, which can attract diverse people of disparate backgrounds, some of whom may be violent. "how long have i been in Melbourne" has nothing to do with it, that's ridiculous. violence in licensed venues takes place all over the world. you may be 26 but you have a lot of growing up to do :\

as i said, any avenue for reducing violent assaults is worth exploring, not just removing glass pseudo-weapons. also, city's with entertainment districts the size of Melbourne and Sydneys likely attract people from all over the state. its simply not a case of "oh there might be some rough people lets not go out"
 
If there is no glass how am I supposed to fight my way out of the club when guys bigger than me want to kill me?

Darling something has come between us, those new boobs just aren't you.
 
Vale, you're missing my point. I am talking about selecting where you go. But I haven't ventured from the Melbourne nightlife really, so i guess my opinion is mainly based on what i know. Telling someone they need to grow up because they purely haven't experienced further than what they know is quite nasty really. But then again, i don't expect much more from you.

I'd rather be classed as immature, than a straight out prick. At least i can work on mine better.
 
Good point VT. A pool cue has a much larger melee range, even broken in two.

Sorry DFRS even if you are drinking at the Hilton bar there's still a potential for jerks around. It's the nature of alcohol.
 
Just one of those knowledges you pick up along the way ;)

drugfukkdrockstar said:
drugfukkdrockstar said:
Oh dear. I am so sorry for being just so ridiculous How silly of me to suggest that certain venues attract certain crowds. I must be going mad - regardless of the fact i am 26 and have been going out for 10 years now! But what would i know, right?

Let's hope they do something about this glasses and plastic cups thing right away then huh. Seems to be the only option as far as you're concerned. Oh wait! I know - how about just not going out at all! since the idiots are everywhere!

How long have you been in Melbourne for again? Hmm.
Telling someone they need to grow up because they purely haven't experienced further than what they know is quite nasty.
It has nothing to do with your life experience (or lack of, im not sure what you're gettig at). if you can find something mature about this post i will retract my statement.

please dont turn the focus away from what is a very important issue. that poor girl has been blinded and deformed in a viscious assault with a weapon. i posted the article to attract attention to what as a valid issue all over the planet.
 
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lostpunk5545 said:
Good point VT. A pool cue has a much larger melee range, even broken in two.

Sorry DFRS even if you are drinking at the Hilton bar there's still a potential for jerks around. It's the nature of alcohol.

I don't go to any common aussie bars etc any more any ways. The places where i go definitely have a much chilled and nicer vibe. As to why i go there :)

They're not all the same. I guess that's what great about melbourne - there is a lot of variety.
 
ValeTudo said:
please dont turn the focus away from what is a very important issue. that poor girl has been blinded and deformed in a viscious assault with a weapon. i posted the article to attract attention to what as a valid issue all over the planet.

After about 5 edits, nice to see you took the kinder approach for a change ;)

And i am not turning the focus away - all i did was state my opinion and you labelled it as ridiculous. I am sorry, but you're the one who needs to back off here . If you aren't in the mood for bullshit, then don't start it. Simple. Try being a bit nicer to people and you wont have to get so damn frustrated.
 
There was string of glassings ( all from women) on the Gold Coast a few years ago. There was rightfully a big out cry ( it is considered a low act).

I was out one night not long after when some young girl smashed a glass across a guy's head ( a little cut but not too bad considering). The crowd just erupted and security had to grab the girl before she was nearly pulled apart. No one cared for what the guy had done. It had died as an artform until recently. Perhaps we need a public lynching to set society straight. Nothing like mob rule..;)
 
Bringing over some posts from the OT thread and also merging with a similar thread from a few months back which had some interesting posts :)
 
I first got drunk at 11. And it was wine given to me by my mum. She had a male friend over and I think they were drunk as well. I remember getting a piece of cardboard, drawing a rainbow on it and dancing. My mum was laughing. Fucked up! After that only had the occasional sip of alcohol with family. Started binge drinking at about 16 - excessively. Moved out of home and now binge drink if I go out clubbing, or occassionally at home a few times a week.
I would say that people are drinking at an earlier age, and binge drinking...but that's normal these days i guess.
 
I work in a pub, I've had around 5 bottles thrown at me from accross the street at people angry at me... one dude come at me with a bottle to smash in on my head / neck area, and tended to three people who have had their necks and heads smashed with bottles... honestly, it's not the glasses, it's the fucking bottles, they are easier to hold and smash people with.

I got ridiculously lucky with the guy who came at me with a bottle, my boss crash tackled him from the side and the coppers were accross the street watching, didn't do anything until my boss tackled him :\... then told my boss to calm down in future... ah well.

EDIT: dunno why, but with the DFRS and VT thing I forgot about the initial question. I'm almost 20, so I don't know what it was like in the 'good old days', but working with people who came from working class backgrounds, the aussies started drinking around 14-15, the kiwis who actually drink started around the 12-13 mark... and the turks only drink on special occasions... These guys are aged from around 30 - 45. One guy who came from south africa didn't drink at all until he came to australia, on his 21st birthday he got smashed for the first time.

Me, I started drinking at 15, along with smoking pot and cigarettes. Weed those days was far superior, cheaper, and no hangovers!
These days I still love weed, but it's almost an every day thing, as opposed to a special occasion thing. Some of my friends started drinking properly (binge drinking) at around that age, but I went to a selective school, and some of the smarter people waited till they were 17/18.

Funny how i said drinking properly, instead of binge drinking... perhaps a sign of the way i, and probably a fair few of my mates view drinking >_<

EDIT again: with removing glass from pubs, if the bottles were made of re enforced plastic, along with the glasses, this would be a godsend... Most glassings are spur of the moment style things. One moment of anger, with a glass/bottle at hand, could mean a lifetime of agony for another person... One moment of anger without, could potentially mean just a fistfight (still dangerous, i know, but i think i'd rather a fistfight which can be intervened in time hopefully, rather than a bottle stabbing)
 
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Honestly, decriminalization would make a lot of people drink less. When I say decriminalization I mean basically everything except ghb, opiates, cocaine and amphetamines, at least to start off with, since those are so addictive (almost as addictive as nicoteine!)

If mdma, lsd, shrooms, weed, 2C-E and 2C-I were decrinimalized, a lot more people would take these drugs rather than getting ridiculously hammered.
 
flipthecandy said:
Honestly, decriminalization would make a lot of people drink less. When I say decriminalization I mean basically everything except ghb, opiates, cocaine and amphetamines, at least to start off with, since those are so addictive (almost as addictive as nicoteine!)

If mdma, lsd, shrooms, weed, 2C-E and 2C-I were decrinimalized, a lot more people would take these drugs rather than getting ridiculously hammered.


i'm sorry but that is quite possibly one of the dumbest things i have read on this board.

we struggle as it is to control people who have drunk too much (especially younger people not used to drinking) how the hell would you expect to control someone who has taken far too many psychadelics??
 
^ With shiny things - duh!

I swear you've gotten stupider Muzby :D
 
THE father of a 15-year-old boy who died after being punched in the head at a Brisbane party has appealed for so-called alcopops to be banned.

Speaking after the youth who killed his 15-year-old son Matthew was jailed for manslaughter, Paul Stanley appealed to parents and older siblings not to provide the drinks to teenagers.

"You start drinking them and they get you blind off your face before you realise you've had a drink," Mr Stanley said outside a Brisbane court.

"You go into your local bottle shop and it's like going into a toy store - I think it's an absolute and utter disgrace that these children are able to get the grog."

Matthew's 17-year-old attacker, who cannot be named because he was only 16 at the time, was today jailed for five years over the September 2006 incident.

The court was told Matthew had been celebrating his younger brother's birthday before his parents dropped him off at the 18th birthday party in the Brisbane bayside suburb of Alexandra Hills.

The incident started after another youth falsely accused Matthew of sexually harassing his girlfriend.

The other boy threw several punches before walking away and told the defendant to "leave it" when he offered to intervene.

However, the defendant, who had been drinking, did not heed the advice and walked over to Matthew and punched him in the side of the head.

The court was told Matthew's head hit a tree and a loud "cracking" noise was heard as he hit the ground.

Onlookers believed he was "faking it" and the defendant nudged him with his foot telling him to get up, the court was told.

He died in hospital the following day.

Defence barrister Soraya Ryan told the court her client had opted to plead guilty rather than rely on the "accident" defence at trial.

"(He feels) it wouldn't be right for him to just walk away," Ms Ryan said.

She said the defendant believed he had been standing up for a victim of sexual assault when he attacked Matthew.

"What he did was to throw a single punch, wrongly believing that he was protecting someone or righting a wrong," she said.

Justice Roslyn Atkinson noted the boy's remorse but said no sentence could make up for the loss of Matthew.

She said the combination of "sweet" alcoholic drinks and large groups of young men was "a terrible mix".

Justice Atkinson also said the case should serve as a warning to teenage boys not to resort to violence, regardless of the circumstances.

"Young people must learn that one punch can kill ... and ruin so many lives," she said.

She sentenced the boy to five years imprisonment but ordered the term be suspended after 2-½ years.

He has already served 418 days and will be released within 18 months.

Mr Stanley said outside court neither the sentence, nor the defendant's remorse were of any comfort to the family.

"He can show as much remorse as he wants to - my son can't show anything," Mr Stanley said.

"His family can go visit him in jail, I can only visit Matthew at a cemetery and that doesn't balance out, I'm sorry."
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22769050-421,00.html
 
lostpunk5545 said:
Occasionally on my way out on a Friday or Saturday night I see hoardes of teens marauding the streets

The Beachcomber? =D I swear the average age on some Friday nights is less than 18. But then I've only been there on two Fridays and don't want to go back.

One of the guys at work said he went there a couple of weeks ago and every window was broken.
 
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