Supreme Court to consider shield for drug, cigarette firms

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The Supreme Court signaled Friday that it may be ready to shield drug companies and cigarette makers from lawsuits from consumers who say they were not fully warned of the dangers of the product.

The justices voted to hear a pair of appeals from industry lawyers that, if upheld, would erect a new barrier to lawsuits.

For many years, lawyers for the pharmaceutical industry and cigarette makers have argued that their products should be shielded from suits if they have been approved for use by a federal agency -- such as the Food and Drug Administration -- and a warning label is included.

For example, most prescription drugs come with labels that indicate they may be safely used under certain conditions. Consumers are also warned against overdosing or using the drug for other purposes.

Industry lawyers say these federally approved warning labels should "preempt" or block lawsuits in state courts from consumers who say they used the drug as prescribed but were badly hurt by it. They say the FDA, and not jurors, should have the role of deciding when drugs can be used safely.

"Prescription drug labeling is precisely the type of complex and technical regulatory regime that warrants deference to the expertise of the agency," attorneys for drug maker Wyeth said in an appeal the court agreed to hear.

Congress has refused to erect such a shield in the law. The high court could do so, however, in the cases to be heard later this year.

In one case, the justices agreed to hear Wyeth's appeal of a $6.8-million verdict in favor of a Vermont musician whose arm had to be amputated after she was injected with Phenergan, a nausea medication.

Diane Levine, the musician, sued Wyeth, and a Vermont jury agreed that the drug maker should have warned nurses and doctors against injecting the drug. In April 2000, she went to a health clinic complaining of a migraine and nausea. The injection she was given punctured an artery in her arm, which led to gangrene.

But Wyeth said the suit should be thrown out because the FDA had approved the use of injections to administer its anti-nausea drugs and because the label warned against injecting the drug into an artery.

Wyeth attorneys said "tens of thousands" of drug cases in the courts turn on this issue.

In the second case, the court agreed to hear an appeal from cigarette maker Philip Morris USA, which faces at least 30 suits across the country from smokers who say they were deceived into thinking that "light" cigarettes were less dangerous.

Philip Morris attorneys say all these claims should be thrown out because the federally approved labels warned consumers of the dangers of smoking.

In the past, the high court has split on this issue and has allowed some lawsuits against the cigarette industry for deceiving smokers about the danger of tobacco.

Georgetown law professor David Vladeck said the two cases could portend "an enormous change in the common law," particularly for legal claims involving prescription drugs.

If the FDA's approval is enough to shield a drug maker from being sued, "this could give drug makers an immunity from litigation they have long coveted," he said. "It also sends exactly the wrong message to drug companies. We know the names of drugs like Vioxx and Rezulin because of the failures of FDA regulation."

In the last year, the high court has handed down a series of rulings that have limited lawsuits against corporations.

On Tuesday, the court sharply limited suits for stock fraud by shielding bankers, accountants and outside vendors, even if they knowingly participated in a scheme to inflate a company's earnings. The justices said the suits should be restricted to the company that fooled its stockholders, not those who schemed with them.

The two new cases focus on the conflict between federal regulation of an industry and state laws that protect consumers. Typically, injured persons sue a product maker in their states' courts. Often, the product maker points to the federal regulation of its product and argues this government approval should act as a shield.

The two new cases renew this long-running dispute over when federal regulation preempts suits in a state court.

In December, the court heard arguments in a third such case. It tests when makers of medical devices are shielded from being sued. In that pending case, Riegel vs. Medtronic Inc., a woman is suing because her husband was badly hurt and later died when a balloon catheter ruptured after it was inserted in his heart artery.

Supreme Court to consider shield for drug, cigarette firms
LA Times
January 19, 2007

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Diane Levine, the musician, sued Wyeth, and a Vermont jury agreed that the drug maker should have warned nurses and doctors against injecting the drug. In April 2000, she went to a health clinic complaining of a migraine and nausea. The injection she was given punctured an artery in her arm, which led to gangrene.
Why the hell would you sue the drug maker when it was the practitioner's fault?


Sounds like a good idea to me, as long is it's not taken advantage of by the corporations.
Maybe it'll motivate people to research what drugs they're being given.
 
^Exactly what I was thinking. But the whole part about the FDA's "expertise" is kind of scary, because the FDA is a really poorly run bureaucracy, and they do make mistakes. From what I understand though, it sounds like the Drug companies can't be sued from the FDA's mistakes, which sounds OK I guess, but it's worrisome since the FDA is so inept.

Actually, this could be great because people have to sue someone these days, and if it can't be the Drug Companies, then it'll be the FDA. Maybe it will highlight some of the major flaws in their system...
 
so... product x comes out and turns out to be bad, I mean REAL bad. Would FDA ever be liable for a product getting their 'ok' when it was poorly reviewed/investigated?
 
As fun as it is to rip on corporations, it sounds as if they've in the right this time around.

In the second case, the court agreed to hear an appeal from cigarette maker Philip Morris USA, which faces at least 30 suits across the country from smokers who say they were deceived into thinking that "light" cigarettes were less dangerous.

Read the label. No one ever said that they wouldn't give you cancer.
 
IAmJacksUserName said:
As fun as it is to rip on corporations, it sounds as if they've in the right this time around.



Read the label. No one ever said that they wouldn't give you cancer.


actually cigarette warning labels are horrendous. they don't even mention the fact that cigarettes can be addictive. i don't smoke but if i did and i got a disease from it, i would most definitely sue claiming the warning label was inadequate and i'd be right.

now of course some would say "you'd have to be a god damn moron to not know cigarettes are addictive" but the same is true for cancer. so why even bother having a warning if you're only warning people about stuff they already know? but if you are going to have a warning, then you have to make it consistent with the dangers of the substance. you can't warn about only one danger and completely ignore another MAJOR danger. that's actually misleading and possibly more dangerous than not having a warning at all.
 
^ Thats why the burden of that responsibility, should stay with the consumer (imo). In the end, we are all responsible for ourselves, and suing cigarette manufacturers or whoever else just seems like shirking responsibility. I think its easy for people to lay the blame in corporations in this case, because a corporation is in ways an abstract concept, a faceless machine. I think this is why people have such an easy time placing blame on this companies, but at the same time would find the concept of suing your local coke dealer ridiculous.

While the issue is obviously a bit more complicated than this, I think this issue of emotional connection is an important component. I mean, with something as powerful as a corporation, that disconnect easily manifests itself as fear.

I find it important to remember that these companies are run by normal people, with the same traits as the rest of us.
 
erosion said:
^ Thats why the burden of that responsibility, should stay with the consumer (imo). In the end, we are all responsible for ourselves, and suing cigarette manufacturers or whoever else just seems like shirking responsibility. I think its easy for people to lay the blame in corporations in this case, because a corporation is in ways an abstract concept, a faceless machine. I think this is why people have such an easy time placing blame on this companies, but at the same time would find the concept of suing your local coke dealer ridiculous.

While the issue is obviously a bit more complicated than this, I think this issue of emotional connection is an important component. I mean, with something as powerful as a corporation, that disconnect easily manifests itself as fear.

I find it important to remember that these companies are run by normal people, with the same traits as the rest of us.

i personally would find it difficult to respect the head of a cigarette company and would have no reservations about suing them. i also don't find the notion of suing a drug dealer that ridiculous, especially when the dealer is being deceptive about his or her products just like cigarette companies were knowingly deceptive about cigarettes.
 
right. i can't stand when companies falsely advertise, they deserve to be punished even if no one is hurt.
 
warning labels on cigs in NY state say they are addictive and can potentially cause cancer. i thought the label was the same across the board?
 
according to wikipedia the united states has used these warnings:

* Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (1966)
* Warning: The Surgeon General Has Determined that Cigarette Smoking is Dangerous to Your Health (1970)
* SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy.
* SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health.
* SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight.
* SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide.

Though America started the trend of labelling cigarette packages with health warnings, today the country has one of the smallest, least prominent warnings placed on their packages.[4] Warnings are usually in small typeface placed along one of the sides of the cigarette packs with colors and fonts that closely resemble the rest of the package, so the warnings essentially are integrated and don't stand out with the rest of the cigarette package.

i see nothing in there about addiction. can you upload a photo of the cigarette box you have seen or at least type the warning word for word?
 
JerryBlunted said:
warning labels on cigs in NY state say they are addictive and can potentially cause cancer. i thought the label was the same across the board?
they rotate around I thought? In canada they're a million times worse lol
 
burn out said:
according to wikipedia the united states has used these warnings:



i see nothing in there about addiction. can you upload a photo of the cigarette box you have seen or at least type the warning word for word?
Don't think I've ever seen *any* addiction warnings, but I never look at the warnings (except on canadian cigs lol). They could also warn that nicotine is a psychoactive substane as well. I mean think about it - you never ever smoked in your life. You see people smoking in cars, and KNOW that smoking cigarettes in your car is legal, as you're over 18. So, you grab a pac of camel double wides, unfiltered, menthols (do they even make those?), hop back in your car, get on the freeway, and give this cigarette thing a shot. You spark it up and take a heavy drag, the smoke rushes into your pink, virgin lungs, and you get remarkably dizzy. So dizzy that you can no longer control your car, you swerve and hit a pole.

Now, are the cig companies liable for not warning you nicotine is psychoactive?
 
bingalpaws said:
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Now, are the cig companies liable for not warning you nicotine is psychoactive?

Couldn't agree more. And if companies need warnings for every danger of their product, it would be so out of hand.

Would packages of butter need warnings about cholesterol and fat, and that eating too much is unhealthy? By the logic that there's no personal responsibility, practically every product would need to be covered in warnings, because there are risks and dangers to pretty much everything. Even drinking too much water can kill you, but do we need to print it on the bottle? And all this with people pretending they didn't know the risks in order to sue is ridiculous.

Like fat people that sue McDonalds for their food, or people suing because their coffee is too hot, etc. I mean come on, you'd have to have ZERO common sense. If you're that dumb I doubt you can read a warning label anyway.
 
brainslookfunny said:
Couldn't agree more. And if companies need warnings for every danger of their product, it would be so out of hand.

Would packages of butter need warnings about cholesterol and fat, and that eating too much is unhealthy? By the logic that there's no personal responsibility, practically every product would need to be covered in warnings, because there are risks and dangers to pretty much everything. Even drinking too much water can kill you, but do we need to print it on the bottle? And all this with people pretending they didn't know the risks in order to sue is ridiculous.

Like fat people that sue McDonalds for their food, or people suing because their coffee is too hot, etc. I mean come on, you'd have to have ZERO common sense. If you're that dumb I doubt you can read a warning label anyway.


you're missing the crux of my argument though, i say either do away with all the warnings or make them comprehensive. don't say some bullshit like: "cigarette smoke contains carbon monoxide." wtf does that even mean? if they don't explain how much carbon monoxide or what the affects of it are how is it meaningful to the consumer? and why warn that it contains carbon monoxide but not mention any of the other chemicals it contains or the other risks? in my opinion the surgeon general should be sued for coming up with such a god damn stupid warning.

if you're going to put such a short warning, why not just say something like "this product has been flagged by the surgeon general as posing serious health threats visit www.surgeongeneral.com (or whatever) for more info or write to such and such." and then online they can have a much more complete list of the risks involved in smoking for those who are interested. that way no one could sue because it would all be there online or by mail.
 
I see what you're saying, cigarette warnings are especially misleading and not informative enough. But I think there is enough warning now that the tobacco companies shouldn't be sued for the health problems caused.

However I do think companies should be held accountable when their "recommended" use is not fully understood, so much that they don't even know what to warn people of. Like when anti-depressants were making people suicidal at normal dosages and nobody had been warned because nobody had a clue that would happen. The research just hadn't been done by the manufacturer. It is up to the pharmaceutical companies to be aware of any and all side effects, isn't it?

Actually now that I think about it.. I guess I'm a little unclear as to what the FDA does exactly. How are approvals made? I mean, does the FDA run tests or do they just review manufacturer tests?
 
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yes, i definitely agree with holding the pharmaceutical companies responsible for antidepressant induced suicides.

i took effexer xr at one time. the drug did absolutely nothing for my anxiety but it give me this odd, overwhelming feeling that life was just not worth living and suicide was the only answer. it wasn't even really a feeling of depression, more of a just "suicide is the right thing to do" feeling. very odd. luckily, i didn't act on this urge because i suspected it might be the effexor (even though this was before the warnings about suicide were made public) and when i got off the effexor (not an easy process) the suicidal feelings went away.

however, i can totally see how someone else who might have been a little less mentally stable than i was could have acted on those urges. it's actually quite funny that drugs used to treat depression can make people want to commit suicide.
 
dude, i hear you

I took effexor xr too. I think it was XR, either that or the instant one I can't remember but same difference.

Anyway I hated everyone, everything, and the first time my mom crossed me while I was on it I stood up and punched a hole through my door. Like your scenario, had that effect been more severe maybe I would have punched a hole through her.

Would have been quite depressing to beat a family member savagely while in a violent rage. And they definately didn't warn about that in the pamphlet. And yep not long after I quit them altogether the suicide warnings started coming out.
 
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