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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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Northside said:
Not in response to this post but to a few back, no I don't think I can chip indefinitely. I'm still getting my scripts and have plenty to fall back on if need be.
I just feel a whole lot better not taking the subs. They are an excellent drug but after a few months they made me very depressed and disinterested in life. Now I feel like myself again, I want to do things and I enjoy myself and my life.

Looking back, I probably just stayed on them longer than I needed to and that's when they started to have a negative impact. If I end up on them again, now I'll know to get off them before they start making me worse instead of better.
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What doses were you taking? I've found taking too much suboxone can lead to a lot of respiratory depression, lethargy, etc. If you take the right amount it's slightly stimulating.

I found that if I didn't taper to where I am now I would have the same problems you do. If I do too much suboxone, I get really tired and sleep in for like 12 and 16 hours at a time. This is why I like my tiny, tiny dose of 0.3mg at a time (typically spans me four to six hours, depending).
 
I find it harder on less subutex than I did on more.

I went for almost a year without using H when I was on higher doses.

It just sucks being dependent on a drug that has no high. Its basically a lose/lose situation.
 
It is a lose/lose in that way, but at least it isn't sucking away all your money and/or leaving you an unproductive sack of flesh. What I mean is its still better than being smacked out...
 
Yeah, Subutex is definitely an excellent way out of a terrible, terrible way of life.

My doctor fucked up snd sriptd me 16 5mg Diazapams instead of 8!

I'm finding that just 5mg in the morning really helps with the subutex WD until I can get my dose at 9am.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
What doses were you taking? I've found taking too much suboxone can lead to a lot of respiratory depression, lethargy, etc. If you take the right amount it's slightly stimulating.

I found that if I didn't taper to where I am now I would have the same problems you do. If I do too much suboxone, I get really tired and sleep in for like 12 and 16 hours at a time. This is why I like my tiny, tiny dose of 0.3mg at a time (typically spans me four to six hours, depending).
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I was taking 4 mgs every other day. Prescribed 8mgs a day.I took the whole dose at once each time by plugging and I was on it for seven months. I jumped off it cold turkey. It wasn't that bad.
 
thanks for the replies. i have one more question.

does anyone know if suboxone shows up on the pmp=prescription monitoring program. it says shedule lll do, but i couldn't see bupe in the list.???
 
Suboxone not blocking effects of heroin...

Hi guys. Really need your help here.

I recently relapsed after 13 months of total abstinence (alcohol inclusive). Shortly after picking up again things were getting real chaotic real fast so I went on a suboxone program so I could still maintain my studies and not have to use heroin until I had time to do a proper detox & short term rehab (end of year).

Initially the suboxone helped. I started on 10mg and hadn't used for 3 months. Just last week I did the step down from 6mg to 5mg, and finding the step tough, ended up using. I'd been dosed at 4pm and used at 9pm that night thinking I'd be wasting my money anyway. Weird thing was, I got stoned. Real stoned. Chin on the coffee-table stoned.

Since then I raised my suboxone back up to 8mg but have used 3-4 times. Just today I had my 8mg dose at 3pm then used at 8pm and got the full effect from the shot. What's going on?

This is a real worry for me because over the last week I've lost a lot of my motivation to get back on the right path. Some of my old behaviours are coming back (ways to get money to use) and I'm worried where this will end up. Can someone explain to me why the suboxone isn't blocking the heroin?

I'm also on 450mg lithium nightly, 1000mg sodium valproate (500 morning / night) and 60mg duloxetine (morning).
 
Maybe b/c the dose isn't high enough to block the heroin... IIRC it takes >8mg to start blocking full agonist highs.
You;re obviously not ready to quit as you have not learned to deal with all the shit that got you to where you are in the first place, so go back up to a dose that holds you and work on what needs to be dealt with
good luck
 
If you need to make heroin ineffective, then try 80mg + methadone.

If you're on suboxone, you should stay with your suboxone and forget about heroin.

Also, this effectively could have been covered in the Suboxone Mega Thread.

Ladies and Gentlemen, hold onto your seat - prepare for a merge.
 
djsim said:
Maybe b/c the dose isn't high enough to block the heroin... IIRC it takes >8mg to start blocking full agonist highs.
You;re obviously not ready to quit as you have not learned to deal with all the shit that got you to where you are in the first place, so go back up to a dose that holds you and work on what needs to be dealt with
good luck
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The clinic over here say 12mg is the most common dose needed to TOTALLY block heroin.

Obviously, the differes from person to person.

I have nodded out (as in waking up with head on keyboard) just 12 hours after taking 14mg of Subutex.

I've found that when I got down to around 2-3mgs/day subutex, that it had practically NO blocking effect whatsoever. If it was blocking heroin, then it was doing so in such a small way that I could not notice.

Its a shame really. I found the blockade effect of subutex REALLY REALLY helped me. Once I found that I wasn't taking enough for the blockade effect to occour I started using again (though only fortnightly)..
 
Does anyone have any remedies or medications that help with the leg pains/restless legs. especially the pain in the legs...is there a med that helps with that...i have been on suboxone for 3 weeks, and my legs are killing me all day everyday. i have tried everything i know of. thanks
 
ruffneck81 said:
Does anyone have any remedies or medications that help with the leg pains/restless legs. especially the pain in the legs...is there a med that helps with that...i have been on suboxone for 3 weeks, and my legs are killing me all day everyday. i have tried everything i know of. thanks
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What is your dose? Are you tapering? You should not feel any withdrawal symptoms if properly dosed with buprenorphine.
 
dopiate said:
Really? Always? Explain to me why i don't feel a single withdrawal symptom 'all day every day' as he stated.
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You probably didn't recognize them as withdrawal symptoms.

Some people report no withdrawal symptoms with BMT, however the body still goes through physical changes as a result of withdrawal. Whether you notice them or not, or use drugs (clonidine, benzos, buprenorphine or methadone) to help with them, they are still there.

When I first quit using heroin, buprenorphine greatly reduced my withdrawal symptoms. Some of the WD symptoms disappeared (agitation, depression, anxiety, restless legs, malaise, goose bumps, etc) but others were only better to a degree (vomiting, nausea, craving to use, runny nose, watery eyes).

If you were lucky enough to experience "absolutely no withdrawal symptoms" with buprenorphine, and did not experience any buprenorphine withdrawal symptoms yourself, I guess you can consider yourself pretty lucky. I haven't heard of this from anyone really though.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
You probably didn't recognize them as withdrawal symptoms.

Some people report no withdrawal symptoms with BMT, however the body still goes through physical changes as a result of withdrawal. Whether you notice them or not, or use drugs (clonidine, benzos, buprenorphine or methadone) to help with them, they are still there.
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I did not consider switching from one opioid to another withdrawal. Buprenorphine is a powerful opiate capable of producing sufficient mu agonism comparable to those of at least powerful prescription drugs (i cannot speak for heroin as oxy/morphine were my DOC's).
 
Dilaudid after Suboxone (plus IV questions)

I have been taking Suboxone for approximately 16 months, and I am currently taking 4 mg per day (1/2 tab each evening).

I have come across a (very) limited amount of some 8mg generic dilaudid, and have decided to have a "planned relapse" (yes, I know how stupid that sounds).

My questions are the following:

- How long do I need to abstain from Suboxone in order to feel the full effects of the Dilaudid and avoid any negative effects from the naloxone?

- Given what my tolerance would be at from the bupe, what dose should I initially try of the Dilaudid (either intranasal or IV)? I was thinking 2mg IV or 4mg nasal.

- Where can I find a harm-reduction guide for IV'ing the dilaudid pills? I understand the associated risks and would like to promise to use a micron filter, but I would like to know what the second-best alternative is also. One (probably stupid) question I had is what kind of water I should use... my tap water is kind of nasty.

- I am naive to self-administered IV injections, the primary reason being that my veins are (naturally) extremely hard to find. Even nurses sometimes have a hell of a time finding my veins to draw blood, and it's not because I've messed up my veins.

Does anyone else out there with naturally hard-to-find veins have suggestions? Basically, my veins aren't prominent at all... like looking at my arms the only ones that are clearly visible even after working out are on my hands and wrists.

I'd like to try a shot in the default median cubital, but I'm worried about having to dig and even more worried about missing a shot when messing with pills.

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I know a lot of these questions will probably elicit some of the typical "you're opening Pandora's box" warnings - please understand that while I'm naive to IV opiates, I am not young, not naive to opiate use, and I am not naive to drug use in general. Thanks.

Edit: Found this as far as an IV guide without micron filter.. seems as good as any I guess:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=444013
 
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