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⭐️ Social ⭐️ Stimulant psychosis, how far down the rabbit hole have you fallen?

Given what you said about lying while high and being high and posting on Bluelight… How do we know that any of your posts aren’t anything but bullshit? Curious minds want to know.
The only Thing that either answer on that question would be that either WAy im suffering from serious speed side effects that are difficult for me to cope with and i hope that's which of the two problems manifests itself i stilll hope could.im Any way could count on understanding, i can honestly say im being as honest.as possible cause i feel like If anyone could ever understand me IT would.be here, i told many true things that i dont talk about irl but by now feel like that was a mistake and fully my own as it was naive of me to be this trusting that i wouldnt het judged ppl are only human and some things Just come to define you...
 
Given what you said about lying while high and being high and posting on Bluelight… How do we know that any of your posts aren’t anything but bullshit? Curious minds want to know.
I feel like i SHouldnt say this As i fear IT can do Just as well do wrong as good but the story with those cars is actually fully true and is one of two major psychoses in my life together with a ghb psychosis i also posted about...

Things i lie about on bluelight really dont matter in any way and i cam easily explain this in life i cant communicate with anyone on the level like i do here and i miss this as im not able to engage in small talk and because i dont what to say i on speed make up a story, but on here i have lots of things to say and i want to do this as correct as possible cause i care a lot about generating relevant replies, and i Mostly succeed in IT and when the urge to lie rather rare kicks in i might say something like i purchased oranges while in fact It were Apples, but the overall fact that i purchased fruit is true, you understand what im trying to say?

But the things i say on here are mostly fully true and i feel like this is the only place i thought before Just now was the only in the world i could talk honestly in such a way i even told i lie, if i wasnt being highly honest I would never say this, also you can ask me to tell the story about those cars again i can reproduce exactly the same, cause like in most things i post here oranges were actually oranges...

I post here about my psychoses, isnt IT also highly likely i suffered such things if you consider the amount of posts i make non stop Day and night each time for over a full week that its obvious ik actually constant speed binges and.there is no other possibty that i suffer severe sleep deprivation this Just confirm how likely IT is i AM exactly the person to have such experiences...
 
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Yes this is what happens to me. I do ice maybe twice a year. the other 363 days, don't hear a peep out of the neighbours and otherwise it's just routine bumps in the night. When I am speeding - watching porn with my headphones in, making absolutely no noise at all - I can't relax for five seconds as I am absolutely convinced the niehgbours are up all night talking about me, most recent time I was convinced they were throwing pebbles on my roof to send me a message. After that, I fled and checked into a hotel where I swear three plain clothes detectives ordered a lockdown of the hotel and set up a surveillance station in the adjoining room and I could hear them talking about me and they must have been watching me through a peephole, which wasn't there. At the same time, a giant construction thingy was draining the sewerage of the hotel for evidence of anything I'd flushed down the loo. I swear to God all of this was as real as sitting at a cafe talking to a friend. No strange visualisations, no spirts etc, just neighbours that are only audible when i'm high and a secret police squad based here to keep me under surveillance. Sounds so ridiculous, but I swear, and I can remember it all in minute detail, that it was absolutely real. Three months later I'm still not 100% convinced it wasn't all real, and am still creeping near the neighbours fence to see if I can hear them, and playing music on my laptop then going near the neighbours house to see if it is audible (it isn't). So, that's where I go on meth.
none of mine are that crazy. but i know several people who have phoned 999 (UK 911) to report the CIA/Russian Mafia/whatever abseiling down their house or some shit.
 
One of my most embarrassing times. Seems like meth always makes for odd stories. I was high for 4-5 days and wanted to go for a walk in the soccer field close to my house. I noticed a bunch of people my age standing by a building so my dumb ass thinks it's a great idea to go have a conversation. I walked up to a group of women, said some mumbled crap about being high so they kinda stood away from me back on. i kept following them and sparked a joint to see if they wanted any then i heard a bell ring, it was an elementary school and kids started running out. i got out of there pretty quick.
 
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Just for clarification have dealt with schizophrenia sense I was about 5 also been abusing stimulants sense I was 8 or 9 thanks Dr Adderall also most of this now isnt sleep deprivation


So current daily molly bath salt whatever alphabet soup abuser so I have been in a full scizoeffective type psychosis for months not from sleep deprivation but literally from the abuse so at the beginning the staying up for weeks gets old I try and for the most part sleep every night but currently I barley go outside unless its do to make a sale mind you all my customers are gone we call them whoppers locally but salt heads whatever but I feel like there always gonna rob me I luckily keep a calm tone and conduct business but I have constant anxiety all the time when. I go places I auditoraly hallucinate random voices and such where every block I gotta slyly check behind me at night the shadow people are always lurking literally dont like to be alone so few 2 months ago me and the wife checked into a hotel for 2 weeks I slowly started smoking way to much blacking out lost in my own world have vivid memories of my hotel room having multiple rooms and a kitchen and have vivid memories of partying with people I've never met also have memories of coming to askig my wife who she was or talking-to her about her or asking her if she was buying or if she had scales to be fair though I have been involved in drug investigations which lead to prison also recently have had pretty much my 3 closet friends try to rob me kill me or acuse me of setting them up when they owed me so some of it's justified now I constantly hear like shit on tv and radio that's not what' was said same thing with people get confused alot and swear people are always talking about me Nd for some reason fans like actual fans like box fans or acs intensify this by100
 
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I sincerely hope jesus christ himself comes down from heaven and helps tweakers remember to use paragraphs.

Y'all have great stories but my god the walls of text are for real with like half of amphetamine users lol.

Love u guys.

Drink water. Quit jacking off so much. Eat an orange. Take a nice bath.

I wonder how much the delusions of Persecution would persist in a more calm environment where one's body is at peace, not revved up trying to orgasm or on high alert in an awkward quiet time of night worried about being heard by neighbors.

Oh well, keep it real and carry on. I'm not one to judge I just think the tropes associated with "paranoid" amphetamine use often have the context of a like "hushed confined claustrophobic" sort of setting

Whereas the euphoric and non paranoid speed experiences tend to allow the freedom to be loud, to be high energy to be honest with people around you. It's no fun to take such an expressive drug and then tip toe around your apartment alone lol
 
I sincerely hope jesus christ himself comes down from heaven and helps tweakers remember to use paragraphs.

Y'all have great stories but my god the walls of text are for real with like half of amphetamine users lol.

Love u guys.

Drink water. Quit jacking off so much. Eat an orange. Take a nice bath.

I wonder how much the delusions of Persecution would persist in a more calm environment where one's body is at peace, not revved up trying to orgasm or on high alert in an awkward quiet time of night worried about being heard by neighbors.

Oh well, keep it real and carry on. I'm not one to judge I just think the tropes associated with "paranoid" amphetamine use often have the context of a like "hushed confined claustrophobic" sort of setting

Whereas the euphoric and non paranoid speed experiences tend to allow the freedom to be loud, to be high energy to be honest with people around you. It's no fun to take such an expressive drug and then tip toe around your apartment alone lol
beautifully put.
 
Taking supplements that reduce glutamatergic activity when using stimulants is vital in combating and preventing psychosis. Failing to do so will likely lead to neuro-degenerative complications further down the line such as Akathisia, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and Dementia.

Some won't like it, because they'll feel that it dulls the high somewhat. But it's also important to note that it also extends the duration and makes for a far smoother and manageable withdrawal.

I'll never understand those who IV grams of meth without taking any protective measures, just so they can peek out the curtains expecting the apocalypse. What's the point? Drugs are supposed to be a good time.
 
I sincerely hope jesus christ himself comes down from heaven and helps tweakers remember to use paragraphs.

Y'all have great stories but my god the walls of text are for real with like half of amphetamine users lol.

Love u guys.

Drink water. Quit jacking off so much. Eat an orange. Take a nice bath.

I wonder how much the delusions of Persecution would persist in a more calm environment where one's body is at peace, not revved up trying to orgasm or on high alert in an awkward quiet time of night worried about being heard by neighbors.

Oh well, keep it real and carry on. I'm not one to judge I just think the tropes associated with "paranoid" amphetamine use often have the context of a like "hushed confined claustrophobic" sort of setting

Whereas the euphoric and non paranoid speed experiences tend to allow the freedom to be loud, to be high energy to be honest with people around you. It's no fun to take such an expressive drug and then tip toe around your apartment alone lol
Really, that's helped me enormously. I used to go out and socialise on meth, go to the beach etc and had a great time and didn't feel tweaky or paranoid once! It was only when watching porn non stop became a reflex as soon as I took it that the paranoia about the neighbours listening kicked in.

I guess anyone locked in a dark room doing the same repetitive thing for hours or days would start to go a little mad, and your brain probably starts inventing things to amuse itself because it's overstimulated but your boring it to tears.

Thank you, your comment has really helped.
 
Really, that's helped me enormously. I used to go out and socialise on meth, go to the beach etc and had a great time and didn't feel tweaky or paranoid once! It was only when watching porn non stop became a reflex as soon as I took it that the paranoia about the neighbours listening kicked in.

I guess anyone locked in a dark room doing the same repetitive thing for hours or days would start to go a little mad, and your brain probably starts inventing things to amuse itself because it's overstimulated but your boring it to tears.

Thank you, your comment has really helped.
Yeah it's like the old adage: "avoid drinking alone"
 
@simstim I am wondering if you have any more to say on these sexual demon experiences in amp psychosis? Is this sort of experience still a common thing for you? Or have you separated from this state of mind enough to think on it more rationally?

You wrote those posts last year as if to justify yourself from us agreeing with the demons what you've done or something..
 
@simstim I am wondering if you have any more to say on these sexual demon experiences in amp psychosis? Is this sort of experience still a common thing for you? Or have you separated from this state of mind enough to think on it more rationally?

You wrote those posts last year as if to justify yourself from us agreeing with the demons what you've done or something..
I'd rather not discuss it honestly.

I was just trying to offer advice. I've heard other people describe what I went through being tricked into invisible sex so I thought I would offer some advice and tell you all that you should abstain if you ever come across this phenomena.

It makes all this demon shit worse.
 
I'd rather not discuss it honestly.

I was just trying to offer advice. I've heard other people describe what I went through being tricked into invisible sex so I thought I would offer some advice and tell you all that you should abstain if you ever come across this phenomena.

It makes all this demon shit worse.
I'veee had some really bizarre experiences too with methamphetamine and my spiritual life. It takes a lot away from you and makes life a nightmare after a certain point. I'm more on the side that my experiences are more psychological in the representation where certain experiences have felt line there is something evil lurking about, but then again. People might call it sucking the devils dick for a reason.
 
Interested to hear other people's experience

My psychosis always took many forms:

The standard Law enforcement/secret service bugging me, hiding in my room, following me. One day when the police DID actually come to arrest me I almost cried with relief that it was finally happening. They were really nice to me because I was so cooperative and pleased to see them

Hyper realistic (like as in I saw as I am seeing things with my normal eyes now) visual and audio hallucinations of lynch mobs coming for me, plotting to break in and kill me outside my doors, leading me to stand completely stationary holding my lock for 4-5hours + only breaking to redose, idiot. This one took up about a year of my life almost permanently

People I was with actually only being paid to be there to "monitor" and study me so I could be committed to a facility (ironic)

Waging endless wars with my computer which I thought was watching me, diving into endless parts of the computer i didnt understand. Probably fucking up system files and settings etc. Every dialogue box that came up was so visually mentally distorted that I read each one as threats and messages from hackers, secret service etc

And on the more harmless side:

spending hours chatting and chilling with a person or group people in a location only to come to in a different location and realise I was completely alone and always had been for hours and hours

Becoming so psychotic when browsing on my laptop that I actually started to "visit" sites. As in went in a door, walked around to shop on the site, walking through different links to different levels etc

Probably the worst its ever been i had something very similar to a dissociative hole but maybe even stranger. It was maybe day 6 up on amphetamine and I was at my house. Then my entire mind just "drifted" into a level of psychosis where I was entirely in my head in some convoluted psychosis land. Forgot who I was, had no visual or mental link with reality, just sliding and drifting and twisting through weird psycho states and corridors of schizo. Came to about a mile from my house standing in the courtyard of an old barracks about 20-30 mins later

Needless to say much of this had a really negative impact on my life and especially on loved ones. I shudder to think how I survived through those years. Still suffer after effects to this day

Anyone else had a particularly frightening and intimate history with psychosis?
I have gone horribly down the psychosis rabbit hole although it's usually induced by psychedelics and not stimulants. But I did have an incident in Colombia when I got psychotic from cocaine and started thinking birds on telephone poles were watching me and that I could talk to them in sign language, which was really bizarre. Then I became convinced there were Neo Nazis watching my every move and that random people on the street were spying on me. There were a lot of things I became delusional about but honestly I can't remember all of it because I was drugged heavily with anti psychotics upon my return home. During my most recent episode I became convinced that there were aliens who ate people at my bus stop and that they were about to eat this family who was waiting there. I also became convinced that people in my apartment were actually prisoners and it was my responsibility to keep track of them (like I was the warden). Really embarrassing and once again I was put in the psych ward and drugged with antipsychotics.
 
Taking supplements that reduce glutamatergic activity when using stimulants is vital in combating and preventing psychosis. Failing to do so will likely lead to neuro-degenerative complications further down the line such as Akathisia, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and Dementia.
@Frazzled1990 So do you recommend any or any particular combination e.g. methyl B12, CoQ10, Vitamin E?
 
Taking supplements that reduce glutamatergic activity when using stimulants is vital in combating and preventing psychosis. Failing to do so will likely lead to neuro-degenerative complications further down the line such as Akathisia, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and Dementia.

Can you provide any links to peer-reviewed research that validate this proposition. Both about the desireability of reducing glutamatergic activity and the increased chance of specific future neuro-degenerative disease?

I’ve seen rat research that a meth induced hyper-glutamatergic state in the Nucleus Acumbens region of the brain increases the strength if subsequent addiction / stress of withdrawal. For eg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5391296/
and


I’ve not seen anything specific on the supplements and my understanding of the neuro-degenerative disease is the the research indicates what looks like a fairly large absolute number of brain disease cases loosely correlated to meth use, but it remains a fairly low number in percentage terms?
Some won't like it, because they'll feel that it dulls the high somewhat. But it's also important to note that it also extends the duration and makes for a far smoother and manageable withdrawal.
What is the mechanism of action for extending the duration of a meth high? Which principal dimension of the high? Dopamine, Serotonin, Norepinephrine?
I'll never understand those who IV grams of meth without taking any protective measures, just so they can peek out the curtains expecting the apocalypse. What's the point? Drugs are supposed to be a good time.
I agree wrt to grams…but single points don’t necessarily usher in the apocalypse. Of course they do bring any number of other problems.
 
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Can you provide any links to peer-reviewed research that validate this proposition. Both about the desireability of reducing glutamatergic activity and the increased chance of specific future neuro-degenerative disease?

I’ve seen rat research that a meth induced hyper-glutamatergic state in the Nucleus Acumbens region of the brain increases the strength if subsequent addiction / stress of withdrawal. For eg: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5391296/
and


I’ve not seen anything specific on the supplements and my understanding of the neuro-degenerative disease is the the research indicates what looks like a fairly large absolute number of brain disease cases loosely correlated to meth use, but it remains a fairly low number in percentage terms?

What is the mechanism of action for extending the duration of a meth high? Which principal dimension of the high? Dopamine, Serotonin, Norepinephrine?

I agree wrt to grams…but single points don’t necessarily usher in the apocalypse. Of course they do bring any number of other problems.

Admittedly I can't point to any research studies that conclusively prove the neuro-protective properties of Glutamate neurotransmitter and receptor inhibition, as I don't believe any such research papers exist to this day. I believe the reason for this is mostly down to duration. Such a research program would have to span several decades, as in most cases, it takes a number of decades for neuro-degenerative diseases to manifest themselves to a degree that symptoms become more obvious and generally when researches are conducted, they are very limited in their duration, likely due to funding and participant drop outs.

What I do know however is that in most instances of neuro-degenerative diseases, the Glutamatergic system appears to be implicated in some way. People with conditions such as Alzheimer's and Dementia for example show unusually high levels of Glutamatergic activity and lower levels of GABAergic activity, leading to excess NMDA, AMPA and Kainate receptor activation, which subsequently leads to higher Calcium Ion activity in the post-synaptic neurons, leading to increased neuron death over time. This is why these diseases are generally treated using a combination of L-Glutamate receptor antagonists and GABA receptor agonists.

In terms of the mechanism of action involved in stimulating the release of the amine neurotransmitter groups. Higher Glutamatergic activity is directly involved, as it's the influx of Calcium Ions released from the Voltage Dependant Calcium Channels that instruct the pre-synaptic vesicles containing the amine's to bind to the pre-synaptic membrane, allowing the amine's to be released into the Synaptic Cleft.

When you antagonise receptors such as the NMDA receptors, this reduces the Calcium Ion influx and subsequently slows down the release of the amine neurotransmitter's, even under the influence of stimulants. An example of this is the combination of L-Theanine and Caffeine. L-Theanine is structurally very similar to L-Glutamine. This allows it to bypass the Blood Brain Barrier and directly access the Astrocyte's. It then works by plugging the transportation route of L-Glutamine into the Glutamatergic neurons, thus reducing the amount of Glutamate available in the Glutamatergic neurons that can bind to the NMDA, AMPA and Kainate receptors. It doesn't however block the transportation of L-Glutamine into the GABAergic neurons. As a result, the excess Glutamine that can't get into the Glutamatergic neurons is sent back through the Astrocyte and into the GABAergic neurons, where it is then converted into GABA through the GAD (Glutamic Acid Decarboxylase) process. The end result is decreased Glutamatergic activity and an increase in GABAergic activity, resulting in decreased Calcium Ion activity, but an increase in Chloride Ion activity which has the opposing effect of slowing down amine activity. Ultimately, people who consume Caffeine and L-Theanine together find that Caffeine feels less "harsh", lasts longer and doesn't have the usual sudden crash that is commonly associated with it.

GABA receptor agonists can also be useful in reducing undesirable effects from stimulants, again by increasing the influx of Chloride Ion activity. Which is why Taurine is commonly used in Energy Drinks. Although L-Theanine may be a better alternative. It's also a reason why long term stimulant users may start abusing Benzodiazepine's, as they find it helps to "smoothen things out". Although I wouldn't recommend the use of Benzo's in the long run, as they have much more powerful agonist effects compared to an amino acid such as Taurine, which ultimately leads to subunits on the GABA-A receptor uncoupling, causing the receptor to down-regulate and not be able to respond normally to the GABA neurotransmitter without the consistent aid of Benzodiazepine's. Sudden withdrawals from Benzodiazepine's have been linked to 'excitotoxicity', where by the GABAergic system isn't functioning normally, but the Glutamatergic system is. Which leads to an imbalance between Chloride Ion release and Calcium Ion release. The result of this is chronic over-stimulation and a spike in amine activity (because of the Calcium/Chloride imbalance), leading to the Benzo withdrawal symptoms such as increased Anxiety, Panic Attacks and Insomnia as well as more severe symptoms such as Psychosis and Grand Mal Seizures. Symptoms that closely resemble that of Alzheimer's and Dementia.

I realize I've rambled on a bit here and haven't provided a single link for any of this. But all of this information comes from reading a multitude of research papers over the years and to be quite honest, it would be a real headache trying to dig them all back up again. But if there's anything I've said here that you feel unsure about, give it a google and you'll likely find a research paper associated with it.
 
@Frazzled1990 So do you recommend any or any particular combination e.g. methyl B12, CoQ10, Vitamin E?

I would recommend a combination of Glutamate receptor antagonists such as Magnesium Glycinate and L-Theanine and weak GABA-A receptor agonists such as Taurine. Taking a high quality multi-vitamin each day is also a sensible idea in general. B vitamin's are vital for overall neurological health and protection. Niacinamide [B3] and Myo-Inositol [B8] in particular.
 
Admittedly I can't point to any research studies that conclusively prove the neuro-protective properties of Glutamate neurotransmitter and receptor inhibition, as I don't believe any such research papers exist to this day. I believe the reason for this is mostly down to duration. Such a research program would have to span several decades, as in most cases, it takes a number of decades for neuro-degenerative diseases to manifest themselves to a degree that symptoms become more obvious and generally when researches are conducted, they are very limited in their duration, likely due to funding and participant drop outs.

What I do know however is that in most instances of neuro-degenerative diseases, the Glutamatergic system appears to be implicated in some way. People with conditions such as Alzheimer's and Dementia for example show unusually high levels of Glutamatergic activity and lower levels of GABAergic activity, leading to excess NMDA, AMPA and Kainate receptor activation, which subsequently leads to higher Calcium Ion activity in the post-synaptic neurons, leading to increased neuron death over time. This is why these diseases are generally treated using a combination of L-Glutamate receptor antagonists and GABA receptor agonists.

In terms of the mechanism of action involved in stimulating the release of the amine neurotransmitter groups. Higher Glutamatergic activity is directly involved, as it's the influx of Calcium Ions released from the Voltage Dependant Calcium Channels that instruct the pre-synaptic vesicles containing the amine's to bind to the pre-synaptic membrane, allowing the amine's to be released into the Synaptic Cleft.

When you antagonise receptors such as the NMDA receptors, this reduces the Calcium Ion influx and subsequently slows down the release of the amine neurotransmitter's, even under the influence of stimulants. An example of this is the combination of L-Theanine and Caffeine. L-Theanine is structurally very similar to L-Glutamine. This allows it to bypass the Blood Brain Barrier and directly access the Astrocyte's. It then works by plugging the transportation route of L-Glutamine into the Glutamatergic neurons, thus reducing the amount of Glutamate available in the Glutamatergic neurons that can bind to the NMDA, AMPA and Kainate receptors. It doesn't however block the transportation of L-Glutamine into the GABAergic neurons. As a result, the excess Glutamine that can't get into the Glutamatergic neurons is sent back through the Astrocyte and into the GABAergic neurons, where it is then converted into GABA through the GAD (Glutamic Acid Decarboxylase) process. The end result is decreased Glutamatergic activity and an increase in GABAergic activity, resulting in decreased Calcium Ion activity, but an increase in Chloride Ion activity which has the opposing effect of slowing down amine activity. Ultimately, people who consume Caffeine and L-Theanine together find that Caffeine feels less "harsh", lasts longer and doesn't have the usual sudden crash that is commonly associated with it.

GABA receptor agonists can also be useful in reducing undesirable effects from stimulants, again by increasing the influx of Chloride Ion activity. Which is why Taurine is commonly used in Energy Drinks. Although L-Theanine may be a better alternative. It's also a reason why long term stimulant users may start abusing Benzodiazepine's, as they find it helps to "smoothen things out". Although I wouldn't recommend the use of Benzo's in the long run, as they have much more powerful agonist effects compared to an amino acid such as Taurine, which ultimately leads to subunits on the GABA-A receptor uncoupling, causing the receptor to down-regulate and not be able to respond normally to the GABA neurotransmitter without the consistent aid of Benzodiazepine's. Sudden withdrawals from Benzodiazepine's have been linked to 'excitotoxicity', where by the GABAergic system isn't functioning normally, but the Glutamatergic system is. Which leads to an imbalance between Chloride Ion release and Calcium Ion release. The result of this is chronic over-stimulation and a spike in amine activity (because of the Calcium/Chloride imbalance), leading to the Benzo withdrawal symptoms such as increased Anxiety, Panic Attacks and Insomnia as well as more severe symptoms such as Psychosis and Grand Mal Seizures. Symptoms that closely resemble that of Alzheimer's and Dementia.

I realize I've rambled on a bit here and haven't provided a single link for any of this. But all of this information comes from reading a multitude of research papers over the years and to be quite honest, it would be a real headache trying to dig them all back up again. But if there's anything I've said here that you feel unsure about, give it a google and you'll likely find a research paper associated with it.
Thanks very much. You have not rambled at all and your second post as I’ve quoted it here is most excellent and an interesting and thought provoking read.

The only reason I questioned your earlier one on this subject was to clarify whether you intended to make a (possibly unsubstantiated) statement of fact or rather to advance an hypothesis.

There is no doubt at all that methamphetamine (and other stimulants) come with some serious (tending to extreme) health risks. But they (and the people who take them) also face a lot of possibly overstated or unfair negativity.

In the neuroscience forum such claims may be unpicked quickly and rigorously and thereby shown to be either false or maybe a legitimate hypothesis - but here and in the main harm-reduction forums possibly not.

But I think you’ve now presented a good case for a legitimate hypothesis.

Thanks.
 
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