Speedballing question? (First time)

[European_Son]

Hey everyone, I just have a few questions about speedballing (or kiddie speedballing, in my case). I know it's probably against regulations to ask for dosage recommendations, but that's not quite what I'm doing. See, what I have are several hydrocodone pills (7.5/750 mg) that I may or may not CWE. However, I also have two 30mg Focalin pills. The problem here, though, is that the Focalin are XR, so my friend told me to take double my usual dosage for the immediate rush and then I would get a similar rush a bit later (pretty much like splitting the dose evenly into two parts). So, my first question would be is this a good idea, or would I be better off waiting until i get some IR Adderall or something? Secondly, should I take the pills at the same time or time it up some certain way? And lastly, in general (not as a personal recommendation), what would be a good starting dose for both the Focalin (or Adderall if that is the better choice) and the hydrocodone (and do you think I should extract it)? Let me know if this is unclear at any points, I'm pretty high and this may be a bit incoherent. Thanks!

Also, I'm not sure if BDD is the best place for this, but it was the best place to put it IMO.

 

[dopesmoke420]

i've done plently off opiates along with adderal , i usually take an adderol in the morning than snort a couple lines of heroin or shoot some and i have no problems with it, so i dont think you will have any problems with a way less potent opiate such as hydro.. usually i take the adderal before i shoot up so you could take the focalin and once u start feeling that take the hydrocodone and you will be fine. enjoy=]

 

[Pjkt2501]

A speed ball is mixing cocaine and heroin into a single dose and shooting it.

Mixing uppers and downers in general isn't inherently dangerous; the danger lies in OD'ing on one or the other substance (usually the opiate) and the stim masks the effects of the overdose until it wears off (which happens more quickly than the opiate, typically speaking). Thus resulting in an OD.

Keep your amounts lessened than you would usually take, there is a synergy between these drugs that compounds the effects.

 

[Oxide]

pjkt is correct, that is indeed the main concern.

The golden rule to remember when combining drugs is to reduce the dosages you might take of either drug by at least half, if not more. Don't dose them at the same exact time, and avoid re-dosing.

Your friend has given you shitty advice, do not take "double the dosage because they are XR." I only have experience with regular old IR focalin, but I would simply crush one of the pills to defeat the time release.

As far as dosages go, you haven't given us any indication of a tolerance to either drug, or what you usually dose, so I'll assume you have no tolerance for either: I'd say start with 10-15mg of each and work your way up slowly if need be. Patience is key here.

 

[Dexed]

Since I lost my original post due to my crappy connection, let's make this short(er) and sweet. Focalin's time release can be broken and most of the dose released at once. All you have to do is fold a sheet of printer paper into four equal squares, open the capsule and pour the beads into the middle. Then carefully fold the paper over and mash with anything that suits the job. Make sure 90% or more of the little fuckers are broken before either prepping to snort or taking orally. My personal advice would be to CWE the hydro if exceeding 3.5 grams of APAP in 24 hours, and then once you feel first alerts of the opioid, rail or parachute the focalin powder immediately.

The result would be a properly timed pseudo-speedball, and if snorting MPH or CWEing the opes they will come on faster than usual (also peaking a bit harder, and lasting ~1 hour shorter for both d-MPH and hydro.) Hydro will kick within 10-20 minutes if cold water extracted and taken on an empty stomach. Whole pills would take about double that. Snorted Focalin will be noticeable within 3-7 minutes, and crushed beads taken orally would be 12-20 minutes also on a completely empty stomach. If you aren't taking more than 3 grams of APAP at once, don't even consider extracting as you will waste more goodness than bargained for. Methylphenidate lasts 4-5 hours while hydrocodone lasts 5-6 IMO, and when timed as mentioned above shall bring intertwining peaks with a greatly softened crash.

Amphetamines as Vyvanse, Adderall, and Dexedrine when mixed with explicitly hydrocodone seem to make the high a blurry euphoric mess, and discerning between the highs becomes quite challenging. Even just racemic methylphenidate (experienced as chopped Concerta, and Ritalin) mixed with hydro seems to balance everything out perfectly and cut out many of the upper's rough side effects. The two together have consistently been one of my favorite combos through the years, as MPH with hydro/oxy distantly remind me of great coke combined with the oceanic bliss of a good nod, fading in an out of darling sedation coupled with rushed of awareness. Just try not to overdo the opiate or the stim, one results in hours of nausea and associated feelings of too much Lortab, while overdoing the upper will overpower you and leave you with a high heart rate and rising anxiety. This is of course, the best case 'overdose' scenario. Be careful out there.

 

[Alex000]

Take whatever dose of hydrocodone you do normally for recreation, and your normal dose of Focalin XR for recreation together at once orally. I would guess this would yield the best high.

 

[Escapedysphoria]

I don't see focalin and hydrocodone resembling much of a true "speedball" feeling. Cocaine seems to be the only stimulant that feels like speedballing to me, I've mixed it with heroin (the obvious), oxycodone, hydrocodone, suboxone, and other opioids with somewhat to very euphoric highs. If I mix any pharm stimulant with and opioids it's gonna have to be dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine). I guess the closet drug you mentioned to Dexedrine would be Adderall, but I'm not a fan of it personally. I've found the best pharmaceutical stimulant + downer cocktail is Dexedrine and Clonazepam